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Quote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 11:07:28 pmQuote from: Pancho Regan on January 02, 2024, 10:36:37 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 03:16:26 pmQuote from: StocksArmy on January 02, 2024, 03:04:10 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 02:23:48 pmSigning development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now. Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?). This is the question which keeps coming back to me.Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!I guess it will remain a mystery.It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it. I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.I've heard a name that we are meant to be signing on loan and he is a young lad centre half, hopefully he is for cover and doesn't push Faulkner further back.
Quote from: Pancho Regan on January 02, 2024, 10:36:37 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 03:16:26 pmQuote from: StocksArmy on January 02, 2024, 03:04:10 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 02:23:48 pmSigning development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now. Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?). This is the question which keeps coming back to me.Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!I guess it will remain a mystery.It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it. I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.
Quote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 03:16:26 pmQuote from: StocksArmy on January 02, 2024, 03:04:10 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 02:23:48 pmSigning development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now. Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?). This is the question which keeps coming back to me.Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!I guess it will remain a mystery.
Quote from: StocksArmy on January 02, 2024, 03:04:10 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 02:23:48 pmSigning development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now. Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?).
Quote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 02:23:48 pmSigning development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now. Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.
Signing development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now.
Given the chances of us making the playoffs are low Faulkner and a few others should be given the 2nd half of the season to play regularly. Then next summer we’ve ask few less players to sign if they prove themselves. And if not at least we know for sure.
Quote from: KingKendrick on January 02, 2024, 11:33:48 amQuote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past weekNot everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.
Quote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past week
The other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.
Quote from: sedwardsdrfc on January 03, 2024, 08:59:32 amGiven the chances of us making the playoffs are low Faulkner and a few others should be given the 2nd half of the season to play regularly. Then next summer we’ve ask few less players to sign if they prove themselves. And if not at least we know for sure.Sorry sedwards but this is the complete wrong attitude.You should never pass up on positive momentum. 10 days ago we were worried about relegation, you never know what can happen. The defence against 2 strong attacking teams has been superb this last week.The team needs to be as competitive as possible in every remaining game. That’s what we’ve got season tickets for. Then take the momentum in to next season.Faulkner is ahead of Anderson so will get a chance naturally. Olowu normally picks up knocks.
Quote from: ncRover on January 03, 2024, 09:33:52 amQuote from: sedwardsdrfc on January 03, 2024, 08:59:32 amGiven the chances of us making the playoffs are low Faulkner and a few others should be given the 2nd half of the season to play regularly. Then next summer we’ve ask few less players to sign if they prove themselves. And if not at least we know for sure.Sorry sedwards but this is the complete wrong attitude.You should never pass up on positive momentum. 10 days ago we were worried about relegation, you never know what can happen. The defence against 2 strong attacking teams has been superb this last week.The team needs to be as competitive as possible in every remaining game. That’s what we’ve got season tickets for. Then take the momentum in to next season.Faulkner is ahead of Anderson so will get a chance naturally. Olowu normally picks up knocks.Agree it shouldn’t be a free pass into the team for anyone. I’m just saying what’s the point in loaning some untried youngsters from bigger clubs or signing someone like Agard when we shouldn’t be in desperation mode like the last couple of seasons. If these players have earnt a professional contract they should be good enough to play. And if they won’t play this season they never will. Get rid of the youth team if we’re scared of ever playing them.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2024, 10:44:39 pmQuote from: KingKendrick on January 02, 2024, 11:33:48 amQuote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past weekNot everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".
Quote from: pib on January 03, 2024, 10:22:08 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2024, 10:44:39 pmQuote from: KingKendrick on January 02, 2024, 11:33:48 amQuote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past weekNot everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".You're wasting your breath there. Wigley has form for being obstinate in refusing to look beyond the end of his nose. I gave up a couple of years ago when he said there was no basis to somethign so I posted a direct link to it and he said something along the lines of "I don't click links that other people post so your point is still irrelevant."McGrath could be in his garden wearing a Rovers shirt and holding up a contract and he'd say "I don't open my curtains on Wednesdays so I choose not to believe your claim."
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2024, 10:44:39 pmQuote from: KingKendrick on January 02, 2024, 11:33:48 amQuote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past weekNot everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".
Quote from: Mike_F on January 03, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: pib on January 03, 2024, 10:22:08 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2024, 10:44:39 pmQuote from: KingKendrick on January 02, 2024, 11:33:48 amQuote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past weekNot everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".You're wasting your breath there. Wigley has form for being obstinate in refusing to look beyond the end of his nose. I gave up a couple of years ago when he said there was no basis to somethign so I posted a direct link to it and he said something along the lines of "I don't click links that other people post so your point is still irrelevant."McGrath could be in his garden wearing a Rovers shirt and holding up a contract and he'd say "I don't open my curtains on Wednesdays so I choose not to believe your claim."You really ought to check your own posts before libelling someone. I have never said anything like that at all. In fact I even commented about looking at your link and not finding what you said that it said.The only person I've seen on here who says they don't read other peoples' links is drfchound.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 03, 2024, 02:50:00 pmQuote from: Mike_F on January 03, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: pib on January 03, 2024, 10:22:08 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2024, 10:44:39 pmQuote from: KingKendrick on January 02, 2024, 11:33:48 amQuote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past weekNot everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".You're wasting your breath there. Wigley has form for being obstinate in refusing to look beyond the end of his nose. I gave up a couple of years ago when he said there was no basis to somethign so I posted a direct link to it and he said something along the lines of "I don't click links that other people post so your point is still irrelevant."McGrath could be in his garden wearing a Rovers shirt and holding up a contract and he'd say "I don't open my curtains on Wednesdays so I choose not to believe your claim."You really ought to check your own posts before libelling someone. I have never said anything like that at all. In fact I even commented about looking at your link and not finding what you said that it said.The only person I've seen on here who says they don't read other peoples' links is drfchound.And now you are telling porkies.I have never said I don’t ever read other peoples links.I have said that I sometimes don’t read other peoples links.It depends on who has put the link on.
Quote from: Mike_F on January 03, 2024, 12:41:26 pmQuote from: pib on January 03, 2024, 10:22:08 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2024, 10:44:39 pmQuote from: KingKendrick on January 02, 2024, 11:33:48 amQuote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past weekNot everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".You're wasting your breath there. Wigley has form for being obstinate in refusing to look beyond the end of his nose. I gave up a couple of years ago when he said there was no basis to somethign so I posted a direct link to it and he said something along the lines of "I don't click links that other people post so your point is still irrelevant."McGrath could be in his garden wearing a Rovers shirt and holding up a contract and he'd say "I don't open my curtains on Wednesdays so I choose not to believe your claim."You really ought to check your own posts before libelling someone. I have never said anything like that at all. In fact I even commented about looking at your link and not finding what you said that it said.The only person I've seen on here who says they don't read other peoples' links is drfchound.
Quote from: pib on January 03, 2024, 10:22:08 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2024, 10:44:39 pmQuote from: KingKendrick on January 02, 2024, 11:33:48 amQuote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past weekNot everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".You're wasting your breath there. Wigley has form for being obstinate in refusing to look beyond the end of his nose. I gave up a couple of years ago when he said there was no basis to somethign so I posted a direct link to it and he said something along the lines of "I don't click links that other people post so your point is still irrelevant."McGrath could be in his garden wearing a Rovers shirt and holding up a contract and he'd say "I don't open my curtains on Wednesdays so I choose not to believe your claim."
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2024, 10:44:39 pmQuote from: KingKendrick on January 02, 2024, 11:33:48 amQuote from: graingrover on January 02, 2024, 11:18:57 amThe other is the one who has been in the Rumours Mill for weeks but you probably need to subscribe to the Vikings Supporters Club as I have to get that level of access to information. It is another way to support the club and to recognize the value of this forum.No you don’t it’s been all over X (Twitter) the past weekNot everybody wants to or needs to use Twitter.I think the point was, you don't need to be a VSC member to know the identity of the player, or even access the rumour mill, rather than "everybody wants or needs to use Twitter".
Quote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 11:07:28 pmQuote from: Pancho Regan on January 02, 2024, 10:36:37 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 03:16:26 pmQuote from: StocksArmy on January 02, 2024, 03:04:10 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 02:23:48 pmSigning development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now. Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?). This is the question which keeps coming back to me.Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!I guess it will remain a mystery.It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it. I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.No, not EVERYBODY thinks they know best.Just you.I’m afraid I trust the recruitment team at the club more than I do you.Sorry if that bursts your balloon, although I know it won’t put the slightest dent in your inflated ego.
I don’t know why some people get so antsy about Gaz’s input. He clearly spends a lot of his time (job?) looking at data and models and has some interesting insights. I also don’t see what’s wrong with being confident in his convictions - if everyone sat on the fence all the time this would be a pretty boring place, plus it gives some people a chance to get excited and delight in the times when he is wrong.Tell me about his interesting insights.
Quote from: Pancho Regan on January 03, 2024, 11:56:50 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 11:07:28 pmQuote from: Pancho Regan on January 02, 2024, 10:36:37 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 03:16:26 pmQuote from: StocksArmy on January 02, 2024, 03:04:10 pmQuote from: GazLaz on January 02, 2024, 02:23:48 pmSigning development players is all well and good but we already have a huge squad and need players to improve us here and now. Players at the age of 20 onwards for me need to be good enough to step into a League 2 first team and not look out of place. Obviously they are still learning on the job but, they need to be showing enough ability and physicality that the league demands. Having already played in mens football at 20 in my opinion would be good recruitment. Barely kicking a ball out on loan or looking the part for a few years in the youth team is not what we need.The amount of 20 year olds that contribute above league average performances consistently in L2 (any division for that matter) is very very minimal. I did some research on it a couple of years ago (that I think I shared with the club!?). This is the question which keeps coming back to me.Why don’t the Club ever take your advice?!I guess it will remain a mystery.It’s football init. Everyone thinks THEY know best. Remember meeting, then speaking to Younger the recruitment man quote a lot. Some of the players I put up to him in that short period were quality. Not expensive players, low key, under valued lads that data models worth millions had thrown up. Didn’t want to listen really. Had an excuse not to go after any. Joe Sbarra on a free was one. Jake Young was one I passed on to Copps when he left FGR on a free. Best footballer I saw in L2 that season before FGR released him, don’t think our staff had even heard of him. Scored a million already this season. Honestly our recruitment is miles off it. I tell you what will happen this January. We will sign a centre half on loan that’s not as good as Faulkner, limiting his development, when he should be getting plenty of minutes between now and May. He’s got the potential to be really good as we know. Probably end up on loan at Gainsborough when he should be playing league football.No, not EVERYBODY thinks they know best.Just you.I’m afraid I trust the recruitment team at the club more than I do you.Sorry if that bursts your balloon, although I know it won’t put the slightest dent in your inflated ego.Yep, the recruitment team at the club have been great in the last few years haven’t they.
Of course you don't see...1. If we did actually consider them.2. If they turned us down.3. If they're affordable with the budget to us compared to others.It's not really that simple is it? There's lots of players we could suggest/recommend, it's not as simple as data says they're decent so we should go for them is it?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 04, 2024, 10:47:25 amOf course you don't see...1. If we did actually consider them.2. If they turned us down.3. If they're affordable with the budget to us compared to others.It's not really that simple is it? There's lots of players we could suggest/recommend, it's not as simple as data says they're decent so we should go for them is it?Perfectly right BFYP.To quote an example:I think it was Filo who said" We never looked at Vardy before his move from Halifax" At the time I had good contacts at the club and was able to find out that our manager and GK coach Butler had in fact been to watch Vardy at an evening game. The reason we never signed him was Halifax wanted £400K and we never had 400pence to spend.