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Quote from: scawsby steve on May 07, 2021, 06:02:34 pmWhat an embarrassment and total f*cking disgrace. Sitting governments rarely win by-elections, so for a Tory government beset by sleaze allegations to win a seat that has been Labour for nearly 50 years, by a staggering 7000 votes is beyond abysmal; and who were the clowns responsible for putting a pro-EU Remainer up in a seat in an area that voted 70% for Brexit?It's now clear that the current Labour Party are representative of the liberalist middle classes of London and the South East, and are totally unable to connect to the working class people of the North and North-East.This is a major problem that desperately needs sorting out, or 2024 will become another humiliation. But again this doesn't make any sense.The party that won the Hartlepool by-election is led by an Old Etonian public schoolboy, who is an ex-Fleet Street newspaper journalist, son of an MEP and EU diplomat, who was brought up in North London. He couldn't be any more metropolitan if he had it tatooed on him. His two chancellors have been City bankers and hedge fund managers - both of whom played a significant part in causing the banking crises!Keir Starmer is the son of a toolmaker and an NHS nurse - and his Mrs works in the NHS!But somehow the Tories (the actual party of the liberal elite, in fact the actual party of the neo-liberal global elite) have convinced you that they are the party of the working class - whilst the party that is funded by the trade unions and its members, the actual working class - isn't. Labour need a better message to, from and in the media. How they do that when its stacked against them - well...
What an embarrassment and total f*cking disgrace. Sitting governments rarely win by-elections, so for a Tory government beset by sleaze allegations to win a seat that has been Labour for nearly 50 years, by a staggering 7000 votes is beyond abysmal; and who were the clowns responsible for putting a pro-EU Remainer up in a seat in an area that voted 70% for Brexit?It's now clear that the current Labour Party are representative of the liberalist middle classes of London and the South East, and are totally unable to connect to the working class people of the North and North-East.This is a major problem that desperately needs sorting out, or 2024 will become another humiliation.
That's the end of any hope of ever getting that god awful road through Bentley repaired then, and probably congestion charges soon.
Quote from: selby on May 07, 2021, 10:00:28 pm That's the end of any hope of ever getting that god awful road through Bentley repaired then, and probably congestion charges soon.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/21/exclusive-labour-councils-in-england-hit-harder-by-austerity-than-tory-areas
Just tell this this one thing Tyke, if brexit was so damned good why didn't Corbyn support it?
Syd, are you daft, in the sixties I was paying the highest property rates outside the city of Westminster living in Norton near Askern, the only thing that has beaten inflation and property prices in that time has been the pensions of the council workers and the fees and expenses claimed by the councilors. The main expenditure in Doncaster over the last twenty years has been the civic centre area which is mainly supported by local tax payers money and has achieved the shut down of that side of the town commercially. Millions spent on bus lanes and park and ride that they could grow spuds on most days and use the space more productively, that actually made pollution worse with congestion. They will finish the place off with congestion charges no doubt. I wonder how many of the councilors would be willing to give up their expenses claims and did it for the prestige of the town as used to be the case and not for personal gain would 1) still be members of the Labour party to get on the council 2) would actually do the job for bare expenses and no monetary gain. Every old pit village in the area is still dependant on the old Welfare sports facilities and are miles behind what other areas have whereas in the sixties because industries supplied them they were way in front, and the council have drastically cut their upkeep of those facilities and are mostly run by village volunteers now, originally the council took over the Welfare sports areas because they failed to provide the required facilities per thousands of population and have gradually withdrawn their services over time. If checks were done it may be that they are now not fulfilling their legal responsibilities. Sandall Beat was football and cricket pitches sold to a stable company for a pound I seem to remember. The best test is like the NHS, if you haven't got a relation there or know someone you haven't got a chance of getting a job there.
The Guardian view make for interesting reading this morning.They feel that to reconnect in places like Hartlepool, Labour must present their vision of a succesful Brexit. This will probably disillusion half the party no doubt. The fact is though, this government is pushing it through. If half the Labour Party trooped off to the Lid Dems in protest, that would just leave the left more divided.If Labour doesn't turn it's attention to this, then Brexit could well remain the dividing line in politics. If Labour wants to get back to talking about other issues, it's got to put Brexit to bed.
and commenters on here have been saying for month you won brexit get over it, so get over it and enjoy.
Why ?Not really sure why it should matter to someone who it doesn’t impact on.Why does Brexit matter to you.
I give it around 10 years before business gives up and calls out to rejoin, maybe less
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 08, 2021, 09:04:36 amI give it around 10 years before business gives up and calls out to rejoin, maybe lessIt's a longtime to wait to be proven right and its a gamble Brexit will really fail badly. If the UK just meanders on, that's probably enough. A great many people won't grasp the concept of opportunity cost. In the meantime a Tory government continues to push on in power.