Penalty shout?

[mushRTID]

I don’t recall many appeals but Grant has mentioned it in his interview.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Clear pen no doubt.

[Filo]

Can’t really complain, our goal was offside

[RobTheRover]

I thought the ref was poor. Made a number of puzzling decisions

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I thought the ref was poor. Made a number of puzzling decisions

I was fuming when he booked Roberts up the other end after letting them away with kicking the ball away or carrying it off frequently.  So inconsistent.

But I do like that rule.

[danumdon]

It was noticeable how he gave Lawler the hurry up but later on neglected to do the same for Pickford.

Seemed to want to give them every decision in the second half, happens every time we play a "top" side.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It was noticeable how he gave Lawler the hurry up but later on neglected to do the same for Pickford.

Seemed to want to give them every decision in the second half, happens every time we play a "top" side.

The only way Keane got close to beating Ironside was by shoving him in the back or wrestling him. Not a single one given as a foul.

[drfchound]

Agreed.  Hard to believe that no Everton player saw yellow tonight after the persistent fouling and shirt pulling that they did.

[Upton Rover]

Sure was a pen, but our goal was offside, so evened itself out

[Donnywolf]

28 did a left foot in challenge early on and followed it with 2 more fouls within the next 5 minutes .

All ignored.

2 glaring pulls back on our players around half way , so is that a contact allowed area now

[donnievic]

50/50 one looking at them at pic for me fairly close to the shot and not sure if arm is outstretched but deffo not fully so sum could say it’s in a natural position when going to ground nowadays with the laws and the ref can’t see from his position and woukd be bit disappointed if given against us,also few rose tinted glasses on buy fans aswell as there was a couple of pull backs from rovers players aswell that went unpunished aswell,didn’t think the ref was too bad really

[Filo]

50/50 one looking at them at pic for me fairly close to the shot and not sure if arm is outstretched but deffo not fully so sum could say it’s in a natural position when going to ground nowadays with the laws and the ref can’t see from his position and woukd be bit disappointed if given against us,also few rose tinted glasses on buy fans aswell as there was a couple of pull backs from rovers players aswell that went unpunished aswell,didn’t think the ref was too bad really

I thought as the game went on the ref increasingly gave Everton more, and the whole game ignored Ironside getting pulled all over the place

[Dabbermoo]

Not a penalty for me, too close and arms not outstretched in an un natural position, donny goal clearly offside but will happily take the slice of fortune we were served. I thought the ref was generally good although was just waiting for Beto and Keane to be booked for accumulation of fouls which never came and Roberts showed a bit of immaturity with his yellow card. All in all what a great game of football, was a joy to watch and special mention to the South stand, full of cheers and singing and showed class at the final whistle to applaud a great team performance. Hopefully stays the same on Saturday and all future home games.

[normal rules]

I thought it was a pen but then our goal was half a yard offside which var would have seen if it was a prem game. So a bit of balance . Take the goal and not the pen given the choice .

[rich1471]

The goal when you look really is not clear cut offside there is a player not in the picture who looks like he played him inside ,but was a penalty

[drfchound]

Our goal was not clearly offside.
Possibly marginally but inches not feet.

[Drover]

28 did a left foot in challenge early on and followed it with 2 more fouls within the next 5 minutes .

All ignored.

2 glaring pulls back on our players around half way , so is that a contact allowed area now

Yep,the first 10 mins the ref was giving everything to Everton,but after that,I think he started to realise we was playing much better than them and became fairer,until later on in the game and switched back to being lenient on them.

[Petche]

It was noticeable how he gave Lawler the hurry up but later on neglected to do the same for Pickford.

Seemed to want to give them every decision in the second half, happens every time we play a "top" side.

The only way Keane got close to beating Ironside was by shoving him in the back or wrestling him. Not a single one given as a foul.

How on earth has he got England caps?

[RoversInSpain]

Our goal was not clearly offside.
Possibly marginally but inches not feet.

Yes .. this, look very closely and there is a leg in a blue sock … it’s incredibly tight.

[Filo]

Our goal was not clearly offside.
Possibly marginally but inches not feet.

Yes .. this, look very closely and there is a leg in a blue sock … it’s incredibly tight.

Yes looked again, you are correct, not the 3 yards off that Dyche claims, and not the miles offside Everton fans claim, in fact if you put the VAR lines on that probably would be level and onside

[BillyStubbsTears]

Our goal was not clearly offside.
Possibly marginally but inches not feet.

Yes .. this, look very closely and there is a leg in a blue sock … it’s incredibly tight.

Yes looked again, you are correct, not the 3 yards off that Dyche claims, and not the miles offside Everton fans claim, in fact if you put the VAR lines on that probably would be level and onside

It's one that VAR couldn't (or at least, shouldn't try to) adjudicate on.

If you watch the replay, the players are moving relative to each other very quickly. In one frame, Rowe's foot has clearly not made contact with the ball and Ironside is clearly onside. In the  next frame, the ball has clearly left Rowe's foot, and Ironside's knee is maybe 3 inches beyond the defender's heel. On that evidence, it's impossible to judge.

VAR would no doubt be used to give a faux authoritative judgement. But it's a delusion of certainty. The truth is that was literally too close to call. Dyche made himself look stupid and very mean spirited with his "3 yards" comment. It's what a man under very great pressure would do. Ignore the fact and paint an alternative truth.

[Alan Southstand]

If there’s any doubt, and there clearly is in this case, then the on-field decision stands, I.e. no offside, goal awarded.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If there’s any doubt, and there clearly is in this case, then the on-field decision stands, I.e. no offside, goal awarded.

I don't think they are applying that principle to offsides are they? I've seen a bunch of ridiculously marginal decisions adjudicated on by VAR - literally an inch of toe or shoulder either way.

It's ridiculous because it's based on an entirely false premise - that there is a defined moment in time when the pass occurs, and therefore there is a defined moment in time at which the player is or isn't in an offside position. But that's fundamentally wrong. The contact between. Foot or head and ball lasts from several hundredths of a second and in that time, parts of players' bodies can move by inches.

The only logical decision if VAR says there are only 2-3 inches in it is to adjudicate that it's too close yo definitively call. And then the on field decision SHOULD stand. But no-one wants to do that because for decisions like offsides, VAR has been given a cloak of faux certainty.

On our specific example from Wednesday, it's clear to me that the call of offside or not cannot be definitively made from the video evidence. Anyone saying it was an obvious mistake is flat wrong. 

[Donnywolf]

Our goal was not clearly offside.
Possibly marginally but inches not feet.

Yes .. this, look very closely and there is a leg in a blue sock … it’s incredibly tight.

Yes looked again, you are correct, not the 3 yards off that Dyche claims, and not the miles offside Everton fans claim, in fact if you put the VAR lines on that probably would be level and onside

VAR would no doubt be used to give a faux authoritative judgement. But it's a delusion of certainty. The truth is that was literally too close to call. Dyche made himself look stupid and very mean spirited with his "3 yards" comment. It's what a man under very great pressure would do. Ignore the fact and paint an alternative truth.

Sacked soon one morning, he'll get sacked soon one morning , sacked soon one morning !

[Filo]

If there’s any doubt, and there clearly is in this case, then the on-field decision stands, I.e. no offside, goal awarded.

I don't think they are applying that principle to offsides are they? I've seen a bunch of ridiculously marginal decisions adjudicated on by VAR - literally an inch of toe or shoulder either way.

It's ridiculous because it's based on an entirely false premise - that there is a defined moment in time when the past occurs, and therefore there is a defined moment in time at which the player is or isn't in an offside position. But that's fundamentally wrong. The contact between. Foot or head and ball lasts from several hundredths of a second and in that time, parts of players' bodies can move by inches.

The only logical decision if VAR says there are only 2-3 inches in it is to adjudicate that it's too close yo definitively call. And then the on field decision SHOULD stand. But no-one wants to do that because for decisions like offsides, VAR has been given a cloak of faux certainty.

On our specific example from Wednesday, it's clear to me that the call of offside or not cannot be definitively made from the video evidence. Anyone saying it was an obvious mistake is flat wrong. 

The equivalent of Umpires call in Cricket

[EasyforDennis]

Offside - NO
Penalty - YES