Brexit deal

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

You're back to doing that pretending to be stupid thing again.

The EU is NOT saying we're only allowed to leave on their terms. It's utterly stupid to say that.

We can leave whenever we want. There is nothing the EU could do to stop us.

The issue is, do we want a grown up relationship with the EU after we have left. The EU has said, consistently, that in order to start discussions about our future trading relationship with them, we must first come to an agreement on three critical things.

1) The money we owe for things we have contractually agreed to with the EU.
2) The legal status of EU citizens in the UK and vice versa.
3) The Irish border.

The EU has bent over backwards to accommodate the UK on the third point (which was always an impossible issue to solve, despite Johnson waving it away as nothing in 2016).

If we're not interested in sorting those out, we can leave, but on terms that will be massively detrimental to our economy.

That is and always has been the choice.

By making out that the EU is stopping us from leaving or being deliberately obstructive, you are acting like a child having a tantrum.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Of course, if you DIDN'T want to act like a kid in this discussion, you could tell us what you don't like about the deal we had with the EU, and what better deal would satisfy you.

Or you can keep going round this hamster wheel of chucking up the same complaints and ignoring any explanations. Your choice.

[Bentley Bullet]

Billy boy. I 'chuck up' the same 'complaints' because you haven't answered any of them yet!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Like I say, you got up in one of THOSE moods. It's embarrassing to be honest.

[Bentley Bullet]

Stop playing to the gallery and address the issues, man.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go fund some other leg to hump BB. You're an embarrassment.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, here's my embarrassment. I've poured out thousands of words in hundreds of posts trying to sum up the way the Brexit process has been hijacked.

Here's a professional, nailing it in less than 240 characters.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RCorbettMEP/status/1166968637107970049?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Every word correct. The entire situation summed up beautifully.

[Bentley Bullet]

I prefer Facebook me'sen. In fact, I'm considered a bit of a 'Face' on Facebook.

Billy, are you considered similarly on Twitter?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ho ho f**king ho. They're rolling in the aisles.

[Bentley Bullet]

I'm here all week.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yeah. I was worried you might be. Can we ask the Queen to prorogue you?

[Bentley Bullet]

She could do us both together- I'd be the Pro, you'd be the Rogue.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well I assumed someone must be paying you to get f**ked on a daily basis.

[Bentley Bullet]

Alas no, my gigolo days are sadly over.

[DonnyOsmond]

I prefer Facebook me'sen. In fact, I'm considered a bit of a 'Face' on Facebook.

Billy, are you considered similarly on Twitter?

Sounds about right. You do seem like one of Cummings puppets.

[bobjimwilly]

BB - I've ask you and others this before, but I must have missed your answer.
Whilst you're here though, what changes are you most looking forward to post-brexit and what improvements in our lives can we all expect to see?

[Bentley Bullet]

For a start I'd like to have an Australian style immigration control, and where Europeans don't get preference over the rest of the world just because they're Europeans.

[MachoMadness]

For a start I'd like to have an Australian style immigration control, and where Europeans don't get preference over the rest of the world just because they're Europeans.

So you support a system where people can only stay here if they can pay their way and will be a net contributor to our public services rather than a burden? Do I have that right?

[BillyStubbsTears]

And you accept that the consequence of that will be much less access to the EU Single Market? Because these things don't get decided in isolation.

[Bentley Bullet]

I would support a system where citizens of every country have the same rights to live in this country as Europeans, based on an Australian style points-based system.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And you accept the consequences that we'd have drastically reduced access to the Single Market and the severely negative effect that would have on our economy?

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes. I find a hint of racism in not treating people of all countries equally.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It really IS just a game for you isn't it?

[Bentley Bullet]

Don't you find a hint of racism in not treating people of all countries equally?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Don't you find a hint of racism in not treating people of all countries equally?

In that case everybody should be treated in the same way as the British.

[Bentley Bullet]

What?

[BillyStubbsTears]

No of course I don't BB. It's idiotic to call  "racist" a policy that is fundamentally about an agreed economic free trade area.

You're just looking for stupid things to argue about. Have you ever thought of taking up a hobby?

[i_ateallthepies]

Welcome back Bentley Bullshit, we've missed your lame attempts at spoiling debate.  I see your luxury holiday to Tollbar hasn't done anything to sharpen up your wit.

[wilts rover]

For a start I'd like to have an Australian style immigration control, and where Europeans don't get preference over the rest of the world just because they're Europeans.

As you have pointed out many times we don't yet know what will happen after Brexit because we haven't 'Brexited' yet. We can however make a guess going by what has been made public so far.

For instance India have said that as a condition for granting a trade deal with the UK they want more visas for Indian citizens to work in the UK. So even with this Australian style points system - Indians will have preference because they are Indians.

The big difference between that and the current system of course being that whilst UK citizens have the same rights as other European citizens to live and work anywhere in Europe this wont be case with India.

So what you want and what you are likely to get may be somewhat different. Thems' the trade offs in trade deals.

[Bentley Bullet]

Welcome back Bentley Bullshit, we've missed your lame attempts at spoiling debate.  I see your luxury holiday to Tollbar hasn't done anything to sharpen up your wit.

Way hay! Nice one Mr Pastry. I'm sure Billy will be well proud of you for your classy offer of support to his cause. You should be very proud.