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It wasn’t just missing chances Hound. Players do that. It was his general contribution. I’m assuming there was something going on in his personal life because he was a totally different creature to the one we’d seen before and the one that has done so well for Sheff Utd over the past 4 years.
Your numbers are wrong by some way Dickos. Easy enough to check. There’s a whole internet out there. Saunders left us on 7 Jan 2013. We were second in the table, level on points with Tranmere and behind on GD. We had 50 points from 26 games. That’s 1.92 ppg. https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-one/07-january-2013/We ended up with 84 points from 46 games. https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-one/2013/So Flynn won 34 points from 20 games. 1.7ppg. The difference equates to 10 points over a season. Saunders’s record was automatic promotion/top of the table form. Flynn’s was mid-play off form. We won the title because a) Tranmere imploded. b) None of the sides immediately below us when Saunders left had a strong run in. c) The outstanding form team during Flynn’s tenure was coming from a long way back. It’s unarguable Dickos. Saunders had us in a very strong position. Flynn came within a gnat’s knacker of f**king it up and was saved by the most Hollywood-esque season finale that has happened in the history of football.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 09, 2018, 09:55:50 amYour numbers are wrong by some way Dickos. Easy enough to check. There’s a whole internet out there. Saunders left us on 7 Jan 2013. We were second in the table, level on points with Tranmere and behind on GD. We had 50 points from 26 games. That’s 1.92 ppg. https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-one/07-january-2013/We ended up with 84 points from 46 games. https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-one/2013/So Flynn won 34 points from 20 games. 1.7ppg. The difference equates to 10 points over a season. Saunders’s record was automatic promotion/top of the table form. Flynn’s was mid-play off form. We won the title because a) Tranmere imploded. b) None of the side’s immediately below us when Saunders left had a strong run in. c) The outstanding form team during Flynn’s tenure was coming from a long way back. It’s unarguable Dickos. Saunders had us in a very strong position. Flynn came within a gnat’s knacker of f**king it up and was saved by the most Hollywood-esque season finale that has happened in the history of football. You are going to get nowhere using facts and evidence to persuade some folk on here.
Your numbers are wrong by some way Dickos. Easy enough to check. There’s a whole internet out there. Saunders left us on 7 Jan 2013. We were second in the table, level on points with Tranmere and behind on GD. We had 50 points from 26 games. That’s 1.92 ppg. https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-one/07-january-2013/We ended up with 84 points from 46 games. https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-one/2013/So Flynn won 34 points from 20 games. 1.7ppg. The difference equates to 10 points over a season. Saunders’s record was automatic promotion/top of the table form. Flynn’s was mid-play off form. We won the title because a) Tranmere imploded. b) None of the side’s immediately below us when Saunders left had a strong run in. c) The outstanding form team during Flynn’s tenure was coming from a long way back. It’s unarguable Dickos. Saunders had us in a very strong position. Flynn came within a gnat’s knacker of f**king it up and was saved by the most Hollywood-esque season finale that has happened in the history of football.
I always thought it was funny that Dickov got blamed for Sharps ineffectiveness.
Quote from: pib on June 09, 2018, 12:46:44 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 08, 2018, 10:06:53 pmHe clearly wasn’t Pib, given where he’d managed to get us to with 6-7 matches remaining and taking into account the relentless injury crisis that we had all season.OK - you're entitled to your opinion of course. I watched a lot of Rovers that year though (with my eyes) and it was plain that Dickov didn't really have a clue what he was doing. He took over a side that had just won promotion and we had some pretty decent players who could hold their own at that time.I'll admit - some games weren't bad and we looked pretty good. But for the most part we were dreadful. It was obvious watching us we had no identity, no discernible style. It was management by "throw a load of shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks" and sometimes it did, but mostly it didn't. We were pathetic away from home and probably had more games that season where we failed to create a real chance than any other Rovers season I've seen.We scored the 2nd fewest goals in the division (Yeovil scored more!) and only 2 teams have scored fewer in the Championship since. I'm not saying I expected us to go up and take the Championship by storm (or even necessarily stay up) but we just looked completely rudderless to me.Then when we went back into League One it just got worse. Terrible signings, awful clueless performances and the start of a tailspin that saw us go down again. I can't believe the bloke lasted as long as he did in the job.And just to throw another factor in... look at what he did in management before DRFC, and look at what he's done since.PibJonesKhumaloTamasWellensWabaraHusbandTurnbullForresterWoodsMachedaMcCombeRobinsonThat’s a dozen players off the top of my head who had long term injury problems in 13/14. What Dickov was doing was having to constantly fill in the gaps left by those injuries. You wanted Copacabana football. You wanted a flood of goals. Grand. So did I. But I was also aware of that injury context. And given that, I would have been happy for us to survive playing with ten men on the goal line.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 08, 2018, 10:06:53 pmHe clearly wasn’t Pib, given where he’d managed to get us to with 6-7 matches remaining and taking into account the relentless injury crisis that we had all season.OK - you're entitled to your opinion of course. I watched a lot of Rovers that year though (with my eyes) and it was plain that Dickov didn't really have a clue what he was doing. He took over a side that had just won promotion and we had some pretty decent players who could hold their own at that time.I'll admit - some games weren't bad and we looked pretty good. But for the most part we were dreadful. It was obvious watching us we had no identity, no discernible style. It was management by "throw a load of shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks" and sometimes it did, but mostly it didn't. We were pathetic away from home and probably had more games that season where we failed to create a real chance than any other Rovers season I've seen.We scored the 2nd fewest goals in the division (Yeovil scored more!) and only 2 teams have scored fewer in the Championship since. I'm not saying I expected us to go up and take the Championship by storm (or even necessarily stay up) but we just looked completely rudderless to me.Then when we went back into League One it just got worse. Terrible signings, awful clueless performances and the start of a tailspin that saw us go down again. I can't believe the bloke lasted as long as he did in the job.And just to throw another factor in... look at what he did in management before DRFC, and look at what he's done since.
He clearly wasn’t Pib, given where he’d managed to get us to with 6-7 matches remaining and taking into account the relentless injury crisis that we had all season.
Quote from: idler on June 09, 2018, 09:53:51 amI thought that at the time Dickov wanted to keep Macheda and the board brought Billy Sharp back.Dickov got blamed for not playing to Billy's strengths but to be fair he either wasn't fully fit or he had something on his mind. He's never looked like that before or since. Arguably Macheda playing for us may have scored more plus denying Birmingham his goals. We were also doing well against Birmingham until James Husband dithered with the ball on the edge of our area. They then brought on Zigic and targeted Copps at right back twice for two more goals.I always thought it was funny that Dickov got blamed for Sharps ineffectiveness.
I thought that at the time Dickov wanted to keep Macheda and the board brought Billy Sharp back.Dickov got blamed for not playing to Billy's strengths but to be fair he either wasn't fully fit or he had something on his mind. He's never looked like that before or since. Arguably Macheda playing for us may have scored more plus denying Birmingham his goals. We were also doing well against Birmingham until James Husband dithered with the ball on the edge of our area. They then brought on Zigic and targeted Copps at right back twice for two more goals.