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The idea and points are fine. But they've been ideas and points for some time now. Nearly 2 years since the election and no proposals in place. Ideas don't create jobs and wealth....I also think the number of well off people who are against others becoming well off is small. Clearly there will always be people with more wealth than others but if we can increase the wealth of everyone that makes everyone stronger. More wealth equals more spending which equals stronger companies and ultimately stronger investments which tend to benefit the highest more anyway.
Glyn, the EU put nothing into the North of the UK or any other part, they gave us back a little of what we contributed into the scam and spent the rest on themselves.
We have, through 50 years of policies from both Tory and Labour Govts, allowed a situation to develop where the economic performance of the North vs the South is similar to what East to West Germany was like when the Berlin Wall came down.Germany had a strong, long term policy then of investing in the old East Germany. It still hasn't caught up. Dresden is still poorer than Munich. Leipzig is still poorer than Cologne. But they have made massive strides. Saxony is now WAY richer than South Yorkshire or Merseyside.I honestly do think that Johnson understands this. What I have never believed is that he has the political nerve to put in place the policies required. That means MASSIVE Govt borrowing and investment in the North. Or it means MASSIVE taxes on the rich South and investment in the North. Either will mean that the people of Guildford won't continue to be cocooned and pull away from the North like they have for the past half century. I'd honestly like to think that I'm wrong, but I just cannot see any Tory Govt fixing their colours to that mast for 30 years. I think they would pay lip service to it when it suits, but when times get tough, I can't see any outcome put them reverting to type and protecting their heartland.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 16, 2021, 01:05:06 amWe have, through 50 years of policies from both Tory and Labour Govts, allowed a situation to develop where the economic performance of the North vs the South is similar to what East to West Germany was like when the Berlin Wall came down.Germany had a strong, long term policy then of investing in the old East Germany. It still hasn't caught up. Dresden is still poorer than Munich. Leipzig is still poorer than Cologne. But they have made massive strides. Saxony is now WAY richer than South Yorkshire or Merseyside.I honestly do think that Johnson understands this. What I have never believed is that he has the political nerve to put in place the policies required. That means MASSIVE Govt borrowing and investment in the North. Or it means MASSIVE taxes on the rich South and investment in the North. Either will mean that the people of Guildford won't continue to be cocooned and pull away from the North like they have for the past half century. I'd honestly like to think that I'm wrong, but I just cannot see any Tory Govt fixing their colours to that mast for 30 years. I think they would pay lip service to it when it suits, but when times get tough, I can't see any outcome put them reverting to type and protecting their heartland.Happened a lot sooner than I expected. The social care NI rise will hit everyone in work, across the whole country. Meanwhile, because the purpose of the tax is to limit the costs that individuals run up, meaning well off pensioners don't lose their houses, guess which parts of the country benefit most. (Clue: it sure ain't the Red Wall.)https://mobile.twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1436324842584920072
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2021, 08:27:14 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 16, 2021, 01:05:06 amWe have, through 50 years of policies from both Tory and Labour Govts, allowed a situation to develop where the economic performance of the North vs the South is similar to what East to West Germany was like when the Berlin Wall came down.Germany had a strong, long term policy then of investing in the old East Germany. It still hasn't caught up. Dresden is still poorer than Munich. Leipzig is still poorer than Cologne. But they have made massive strides. Saxony is now WAY richer than South Yorkshire or Merseyside.I honestly do think that Johnson understands this. What I have never believed is that he has the political nerve to put in place the policies required. That means MASSIVE Govt borrowing and investment in the North. Or it means MASSIVE taxes on the rich South and investment in the North. Either will mean that the people of Guildford won't continue to be cocooned and pull away from the North like they have for the past half century. I'd honestly like to think that I'm wrong, but I just cannot see any Tory Govt fixing their colours to that mast for 30 years. I think they would pay lip service to it when it suits, but when times get tough, I can't see any outcome put them reverting to type and protecting their heartland.Happened a lot sooner than I expected. The social care NI rise will hit everyone in work, across the whole country. Meanwhile, because the purpose of the tax is to limit the costs that individuals run up, meaning well off pensioners don't lose their houses, guess which parts of the country benefit most. (Clue: it sure ain't the Red Wall.)https://mobile.twitter.com/NewStatesman/status/1436324842584920072You really do have a weird obsession with pensioners that have put together a decent standard of living to survive on in their old age.
Have to agree Tyke, also pensioners were not expected to live so long after retirement, so our contributions weren’t enough.
Quote from: Hounslowrover on September 11, 2021, 11:43:56 amHave to agree Tyke, also pensioners were not expected to live so long after retirement, so our contributions weren’t enough.It rekindles the faith to read that there are those that understand how they have benefitted from circumstance as well as their work but are willing to share the load.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 15, 2021, 11:52:03 amThe idea and points are fine. But they've been ideas and points for some time now. Nearly 2 years since the election and no proposals in place. Ideas don't create jobs and wealth....I also think the number of well off people who are against others becoming well off is small. Clearly there will always be people with more wealth than others but if we can increase the wealth of everyone that makes everyone stronger. More wealth equals more spending which equals stronger companies and ultimately stronger investments which tend to benefit the highest more anyway.It's been 11 years since the Tories came to power with the Northern Powerhouse agenda.Which has so far produced...I'll get back to you on that one.
Quote from: SydneyRover on September 11, 2021, 12:05:46 pmQuote from: Hounslowrover on September 11, 2021, 11:43:56 amHave to agree Tyke, also pensioners were not expected to live so long after retirement, so our contributions weren’t enough.It rekindles the faith to read that there are those that understand how they have benefitted from circumstance as well as their work but are willing to share the load."Share the load"?What does that mean?
Quote from: scawsby steve on September 11, 2021, 08:09:50 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on September 11, 2021, 12:05:46 pmQuote from: Hounslowrover on September 11, 2021, 11:43:56 amHave to agree Tyke, also pensioners were not expected to live so long after retirement, so our contributions weren’t enough.It rekindles the faith to read that there are those that understand how they have benefitted from circumstance as well as their work but are willing to share the load."Share the load"?What does that mean?It means that some are willing to understand the difficulties that following generations are under as the retired generation have had the advantage of cheaper housing and plenty, probably too many are buying up second homes making it doubly difficult for other generations to buy their first. And they are also willing to pay more tax if the tax load was equitable.Anything else SS?