Tory Leader - Who's your preference?

[wilts rover]

Sorry Steve, I misinterpreted your earlier posts and thought you did believe him etc. Thanks for clearing that up.

As for your conclusion, well something has to happen, but I guess we will have plenty more opportunity to discuss that over the coming weeks.

[Bentley Bullet]

It wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering...

  At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..

I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.html

We had a thread on it
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0

I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?

Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.
https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truth

So yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.

As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister
'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

Thats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.

Eating cold beans? He probably ignored the vegetarian Lasagne in the fridge in the same way he was oblivious to the empty seats when he sat on the floor in that train carriage.

[idler]

Steve, I voted Brexit as well but I haven't seen anyone in three years that have seemed capable of delivering anything tangible at all. There has never been a policy as such.
The frightening thing is I am more scared of our inept politicians than I am of the EU.

[wilts rover]

Please let this be the last post on whether or not the neighbours were right to do what they did.

Britain's most senior police officer has said it was important for members of the public to report incidents when worried about someone’s welfare and that recordings of such incidents could be helpful for potential police investigations.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/25/cressida-dick-defends-neighbours-boris-johnson-recording

[Bentley Bullet]

Yep, if you think there is potential violence occurring in your neighbour's house, call the police.

Then ring the Guardian.

[wilts rover]

It wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering...

  At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..

I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.html

We had a thread on it
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0

I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?

Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.
https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truth

So yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.

As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister
'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

Thats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.

Eating cold beans? He probably ignored the vegetarian Lasagne in the fridge in the same way he was oblivious to the empty seats when he sat on the floor in that train carriage.

I can just imagine the scene in your house when you suggest to Mrs BB that you have cold lasgne from the fridge for tea - you will probably be wearing it!

Is that the time he sat on the floor on the Virgin train and Branson released a docotored video that showed empty seats and only released the full video that showed Corbyn was correct 7 months later, or a different one?
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/

[scawsby steve]

Mind you, I'm going to have to go all lefty here. The railways definitely need nationalising. The amount of delays I've suffered on trains over the last few years has been horrendous.

[Bentley Bullet]

It wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering...

  At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..

I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.html

We had a thread on it
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0

I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?

Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.
https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truth

So yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.

As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister
'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

Thats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.

Eating cold beans? He probably ignored the vegetarian Lasagne in the fridge in the same way he was oblivious to the empty seats when he sat on the floor in that train carriage.

I can just imagine the scene in your house when you suggest to Mrs BB that you have cold lasgne from the fridge for tea - you will probably be wearing it!

Is that the time he sat on the floor on the Virgin train and Branson released a docotored video that showed empty seats and only released the full video that showed Corbyn was correct 7 months later, or a different one?
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/

If I got a cold Lasagne from our lass I'd shout and curse at her until the police called. Then I'd read all about it in the Guardian the next day.

 Yes, that's the one, Mr Wilts. The one where he was offered a first-class seat by the train manager instead of sitting on the floor but refused in order to gain a little bit of martyrdom.

Eh, Mother Theresa eat your heart out!

[Glyn_Wigley]

The other side of the argument is it's none of your business.

When it goes outside of their own four walls and public money is spent on the police attending, it becomes a public matter whether you believe it should or not.

But that side of it wasn't their doing, was it! It was the neighbours who didn't like him or his politics that did that. you know, the type of good neighbours who would not only do such a good thing in the name of being good neighbourly but would also contact the Guardian for them to have a w**k over, and then share with their readers to have a w**k over.

Political porno at its best!

Of course it was their doing. Or are you now going to argue in your usual ridiculous fashion that the cops would have been knocking on their door if they hadn't been rowing so loudly that the neighbours could hear it? Their actions. The consequences are theirs too.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yep, if you think there is potential violence occurring in your neighbour's house, call the police.

Then ring the Guardian.

You're sure the Guardian wasn't rung by a copper?

[Bentley Bullet]

Mr Wiggerley, You know the saying you are what you eat, have you got a fruitcake addiction?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Bentley b*llocks, I see you've taking lessons from Boris on not answering questions and waffling on about something else instead. Or have you been teaching been him? His waffle bears all your hallmarks.

[Bentley Bullet]

Mr Wiggerley, when people read your previous two posts they will see how silly they are, even by your standards.

Cut down on the fruitcake owd lad.

[Boomstick]

I can see an alternative headline,  "bloke has row with missus, shocker!!"

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS

You're right. I do read The Guardian. Bits of it.

I also read bits of the Independent, Times, Telegraph, FT, Economist, New Statesman, Washington Post, New York Times, La Repubblica and Breitbart.

I read widely because I'm interested in hearing as many sides to a story as I can find, then making my own mind up.

What do YOU do?

Anyway. You feel free to stick to that childish "Guardian-reading lefty" jibe if it makes you feel better.

[Bentley Bullet]

The problem isn't how many papers you read of various opinions, or even how clever and convincing you are at expressing your own take on them. It's definitely not about using that skill to convince yourself and others that you are right when you are not.

This thread is a prime example of that. Using a private domestic matter that wasn't even extreme enough for the police to make an arrest should in no way hit the headlines, and only does, of course, if there are ulterior motives.

[wilts rover]

The problem isn't how many papers you read of various opinions, or even how clever and convincing you are at expressing your own take on them. It's definitely not about using that skill to convince yourself and others that you are right when you are not.

This thread is a prime example of that. Using a private domestic matter that wasn't even extreme enough for the police to make an arrest should in no way hit the headlines, and only does, of course, if there are ulterior motives.

To show the country

It wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering...

  At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..

I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.html

We had a thread on it
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0

I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?

Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.
https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truth

So yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.

As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister
'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

Thats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.

Eating cold beans? He probably ignored the vegetarian Lasagne in the fridge in the same way he was oblivious to the empty seats when he sat on the floor in that train carriage.

I can just imagine the scene in your house when you suggest to Mrs BB that you have cold lasgne from the fridge for tea - you will probably be wearing it!

Is that the time he sat on the floor on the Virgin train and Branson released a docotored video that showed empty seats and only released the full video that showed Corbyn was correct 7 months later, or a different one?
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/

If I got a cold Lasagne from our lass I'd shout and curse at her until the police called. Then I'd read all about it in the Guardian the next day.

 Yes, that's the one, Mr Wilts. The one where he was offered a first-class seat by the train manager instead of sitting on the floor but refused in order to gain a little bit of martyrdom.

Eh, Mother Theresa eat your heart out!

But you said in your earlier post that there were empty seats he was oblivious too? Which is what Richard Branson claimed at the time - until he was forced to release an undoctored version of the CCTV that showed there weren't any.

It doesn't need Mother Teresa to judge who is being truthful here Mr Bentley. And it ain't you.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

Point 3 in this post.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=272636.msg875555#msg875555

What do you disagree with about that? And remember, it's not ME saying that Johnson believes in nothing but his own image management, and isn't the loveable buffoon he projects, but a ruthless and nasty man. Not me. It;s his old employer of ten years and Tory grandee, Max Hastings.

So, if Johnson has courted public opinion by presenting a very specific side of himself, surely the population has the right to see the other side?

Or do you think the unpleasant side should be kept hidden from the population?

[Bentley Bullet]

The problem isn't how many papers you read of various opinions, or even how clever and convincing you are at expressing your own take on them. It's definitely not about using that skill to convince yourself and others that you are right when you are not.

This thread is a prime example of that. Using a private domestic matter that wasn't even extreme enough for the police to make an arrest should in no way hit the headlines, and only does, of course, if there are ulterior motives.

To show the country

It wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering...

  At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..

I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.html

We had a thread on it
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0

I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?

Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.
https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truth

So yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.

As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister
'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

Thats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.

Eating cold beans? He probably ignored the vegetarian Lasagne in the fridge in the same way he was oblivious to the empty seats when he sat on the floor in that train carriage.

I can just imagine the scene in your house when you suggest to Mrs BB that you have cold lasgne from the fridge for tea - you will probably be wearing it!

Is that the time he sat on the floor on the Virgin train and Branson released a docotored video that showed empty seats and only released the full video that showed Corbyn was correct 7 months later, or a different one?
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/

If I got a cold Lasagne from our lass I'd shout and curse at her until the police called. Then I'd read all about it in the Guardian the next day.

 Yes, that's the one, Mr Wilts. The one where he was offered a first-class seat by the train manager instead of sitting on the floor but refused in order to gain a little bit of martyrdom.

Eh, Mother Theresa eat your heart out!

But you said in your earlier post that there were empty seats he was oblivious too? Which is what Richard Branson claimed at the time - until he was forced to release an undoctored version of the CCTV that showed there weren't any.

It doesn't need Mother Teresa to judge who is being truthful here Mr Bentley. And it ain't you.

Now don't be silly Mr Wilts. There were empty seats on the train in the first class area. Corbyn was offered said first class seat for the price of second class, which he refused.

[Bentley Bullet]

BB

Point 3 in this post.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=272636.msg875555#msg875555

What do you disagree with about that? And remember, it's not ME saying that Johnson believes in nothing but his own image management, and isn't the loveable buffoon he projects, but a ruthless and nasty man. Not me. It;s his old employer of ten years and Tory grandee, Max Hastings.

So, if Johnson has courted public opinion by presenting a very specific side of himself, surely the population has the right to see the other side?

Or do you think the unpleasant side should be kept hidden from the population?

I believe if he is the first choice in an election, he should win said election.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

Lord knows I'm no fan of Corbyn, and I had my own criticisms of him over that issue, but you are once again, entirely missing the point.

Corbyn was offered a first class seat because he is Jeremy Corbyn. He's a politician. Who could highlight the f**king mess of privatised rail companies. You or I or anyone else would not have been offered a first class seat. We'd have been told to sit outside the shitters on the floor. D'oh!

Corbyn wishes to highlight the state of our trains, and I'm struggling to think of more than 1 person in 100 who would disagree with him on that. If he'd said the the Virgin train staff, thanks very much for giving me a free first class seat because I am Jeremy Corbyn, he would have been a hypocrite. And I know how high your moral standards are, so I assume you wouldn't want him to be a hypocrite.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

Point 3 in this post.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=272636.msg875555#msg875555

What do you disagree with about that? And remember, it's not ME saying that Johnson believes in nothing but his own image management, and isn't the loveable buffoon he projects, but a ruthless and nasty man. Not me. It;s his old employer of ten years and Tory grandee, Max Hastings.

So, if Johnson has courted public opinion by presenting a very specific side of himself, surely the population has the right to see the other side?

Or do you think the unpleasant side should be kept hidden from the population?

I believe if he is the first choice in an election, he should win said election.

You have a playground approach to democracy. You seem to be getting more childish the older you get. Ignore the core of a discussions and just make smart-arse quips. Presumably you would have had no issue with the result of the 1933 German election and you'd have complained about anyone who questioned the morals of the winner.

Because hey! He won didn't he? The losers should just slink off and suck it up.

[Bentley Bullet]

BB

Lord knows I'm no fan of Corbyn, and I had my own criticisms of him over that issue, but you are once again, entirely missing the point.

Corbyn was offered a first class seat because he is Jeremy Corbyn. He's a politician. Who could highlight the f**king mess of privatised rail companies. You or I or anyone else would not have been offered a first class seat. We'd have been told to sit outside the shitters on the floor. D'oh!

Corbyn wishes to highlight the state of our trains, and I'm struggling to think of more than 1 person in 100 who would disagree with him on that. If he'd said the the Virgin train staff, thanks very much for giving me a free first class seat because I am Jeremy Corbyn, he would have been a hypocrite. And I know how high your moral standards are, so I assume you wouldn't want him to be a hypocrite.

So what? Like I said it was staged! Hardly makes him Mother Theresa in the sacrifice stakes, does it!

[Bentley Bullet]

BB

Point 3 in this post.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=272636.msg875555#msg875555

What do you disagree with about that? And remember, it's not ME saying that Johnson believes in nothing but his own image management, and isn't the loveable buffoon he projects, but a ruthless and nasty man. Not me. It;s his old employer of ten years and Tory grandee, Max Hastings.

So, if Johnson has courted public opinion by presenting a very specific side of himself, surely the population has the right to see the other side?

Or do you think the unpleasant side should be kept hidden from the population?

I believe if he is the first choice in an election, he should win said election.

You have a playground approach to democracy. You seem to be getting more childish the older you get. Ignore the core of a discussions and just make smart-arse quips. Presumably you would have had no issue with the result of the 1933 German election and you'd have complained about anyone who questioned the morals of the winner.

Because hey! He won didn't he? The losers should just slink off and suck it up.

So what's the alternative, Billy lad? Shall we just ignore the results of votes and just do what you say?

[SydneyRover]

1975 United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum

Yes: 17,378,581    67.23%

No:    8,470,073    32.77%

Looks like this vote has more validity with more than 2:1 voting for.

Whereas here it would take only 2% to change their minds, which is less than the margin for error.

17,410,742    51.89%

16,141,241    48.11%

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting read.

https://reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/?fbclid=IwAR2mKA5e5MkB0YUpNNPOcIHMm9yo_My0D-1SlXGV7tOJIO_1J7rUCqG2UtQ

I say "interesting". I mean "terrifying". It gives a tiny clue into the way that our future PM has played the gallery.

Read it. Right to the end. And I challenge you not to be profoundly depressed at the journey we're now embarking on.

[wilts rover]

I rarely listen to Jeremy Vine but somehow managed to catch his show today when he was interviewing Jeremy Hunt. The same Jeremy Hunt who has being saying to everyone who would listen (which to be honest is not  that many) that his main qualification for being the next PM is that he is an entrepeneur - who then got right ratty when Vine said he had made a bit of money out of it!

Really strange encounter - from the other man who claims to be able to negotiate Brexit

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-hunt-entrepreneur-jeremy-vine-boris-johnson-tory-leadership-contest-a8976146.html

[scawsby steve]

Grant McCann to be the next PM. He's got the right amount of honesty and integrity.

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's the thing NNK.

He's not even any f**king good at lying. But the idiots who support him do not care. They are dumbly and numbly allowing him to normalise the destruction of objective truth in politics.

I bet they'll approve of his hobby too BST.
 
https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1143491303466053633

NNK

I was laughing at that batshit interview yesterday, along with a lot of other people.

Thing is. Johnson never does anything related to his ambition or image without a plan.

https://mobile.twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1143960713028874240

Not so batshit now, is it?

[Not Now Kato]

That's the thing NNK.

He's not even any f**king good at lying. But the idiots who support him do not care. They are dumbly and numbly allowing him to normalise the destruction of objective truth in politics.

I bet they'll approve of his hobby too BST.
 
https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1143491303466053633

NNK

I was laughing at that batshit interview yesterday, along with a lot of other people.

Thing is. Johnson never does anything related to his ambition or image without a plan.

https://mobile.twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1143960713028874240

Not so batshit now, is it?

Oh, I'm not so sure BST, he was far more direct here
 

 
Much harder to hide behind something as direct as that!  No alternative interpretation! Though the Brexit gullible will still lap it up!