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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 07, 2018, 07:46:42 pmPretty straightforward to me. I can want England to win and be realistic about the quality of England and their opponents at the same time.Of course you can. Just as long as you do it at least a few years after the event in a retrospective kind of way. ('they were better than them', 'they were good but didn't achieve anything' etc. etc.). Not directly after the event. It's a knock-out tournament full of drama, luck, irrationality, surprises, styles, tactics. Basically the irrational half of the game you have to submit to if you're ever going to enjoy it.And you clearly aren't being realistic about the quality of England at all. I think there's a distinct chance England are the best team in this competition. I didn't at first but I do now. To say they're only playing the likes of Ipswich or Rotherham so we can't properly judge if they deserve to make the semi- final- really is doing that.
Pretty straightforward to me. I can want England to win and be realistic about the quality of England and their opponents at the same time.
Quote from: bedale rover on July 07, 2018, 08:27:17 pmQuote from: Donnywolf on July 07, 2018, 08:11:04 pmQuote from: bedale rover on July 07, 2018, 07:59:16 pmI saw England win the world cup in 1966!But there was only 16 teams in the competition that year and 10 of those were European teams a couple from south America and North KoreaGood god - I was calming a couple of lads down in local Sainsburys today - and they were singing / chanting etc. I said whoa whoa dont go too early ! Its different for me I said as I have seen England WIN the World Cup so even if Sweden do us (which is unlikely) I at least have the main prize won alreadyWhat I did not realise (and I have the Progs etc) was there were so few Teams in it. Never mind we - still won and my other magic memory was that North Korea were the "underdogs" and well supported as well !Still can only remember Pak doo Ik as a NK PlayerRemember watching North Korea beat Italy 4-3 at goodison park Awesome game and a massive shock!A bit dodgy that memory of yours Bedale.NK beat Italy 1-0 at Middlesbrough.Maybe the game at a Goodison that you are thinking about was the one when NK went 3-0 up inside 25 minutes against Portugal but lost 5-3.
Quote from: Donnywolf on July 07, 2018, 08:11:04 pmQuote from: bedale rover on July 07, 2018, 07:59:16 pmI saw England win the world cup in 1966!But there was only 16 teams in the competition that year and 10 of those were European teams a couple from south America and North KoreaGood god - I was calming a couple of lads down in local Sainsburys today - and they were singing / chanting etc. I said whoa whoa dont go too early ! Its different for me I said as I have seen England WIN the World Cup so even if Sweden do us (which is unlikely) I at least have the main prize won alreadyWhat I did not realise (and I have the Progs etc) was there were so few Teams in it. Never mind we - still won and my other magic memory was that North Korea were the "underdogs" and well supported as well !Still can only remember Pak doo Ik as a NK PlayerRemember watching North Korea beat Italy 4-3 at goodison park Awesome game and a massive shock!
Quote from: bedale rover on July 07, 2018, 07:59:16 pmI saw England win the world cup in 1966!But there was only 16 teams in the competition that year and 10 of those were European teams a couple from south America and North KoreaGood god - I was calming a couple of lads down in local Sainsburys today - and they were singing / chanting etc. I said whoa whoa dont go too early ! Its different for me I said as I have seen England WIN the World Cup so even if Sweden do us (which is unlikely) I at least have the main prize won alreadyWhat I did not realise (and I have the Progs etc) was there were so few Teams in it. Never mind we - still won and my other magic memory was that North Korea were the "underdogs" and well supported as well !Still can only remember Pak doo Ik as a NK Player
I saw England win the world cup in 1966!But there was only 16 teams in the competition that year and 10 of those were European teams a couple from south America and North Korea
Brazil in 1982 being a prime example of the best team not to win..
NiteowlerWhere’s the negativity? I’ve not seen any but loads of folk are commenting on it. Where is it?By the way, that third goal in 66. I hate to break it to you but it WASN’T over the line. And that’s not negativity either. It’s just a fact. As is the fact that the officials said it was, which is all that really matters.
Watched the game in Glasgow last night. Always a welcoming and great place to go but a weird place to watch an England game.The locals put England's progress into perspective for me though by explaining that:1. Some of the world's best teams didn't qualify2. The world's best teams have all been knocked out3. Only the crap teams are left.So there you have it. Two years of intense competition and we're down to the last 4 and they're all rubbish.
Things are changing regarding the football superpowers. Look at the recent history of those teams. The Netherlands failed to qualify for a 32 team euros (only 50 odd take part). It's a shock but they've failed again so maybe it wasn't a 1 off. Germany have had their worst WC finish ever. Italy have been consistently bad over the last 4 year cycle. Brazil have got to 1 semi in the last 4 WC's (equalling their worst ever run) and that was at home... and they lost by 6.I think those countries with the facilities and infastructure to create great football players are casting the net wider and less interested in players passports nowadays. The talent in football is stronger than ever but is spread out a lot more than in the past. There is a real possibility that we will have the 2nd WC Final this decade to involve two countries that haven't won it before. (Hopefully not though)
Quote from: Bollinger on July 08, 2018, 09:44:48 amWatched the game in Glasgow last night. Always a welcoming and great place to go but a weird place to watch an England game.The locals put England's progress into perspective for me though by explaining that:1. Some of the world's best teams didn't qualify2. The world's best teams have all been knocked out3. Only the crap teams are left.So there you have it. Two years of intense competition and we're down to the last 4 and they're all rubbish. Did you try to explain if they were good they would have qualified?