Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson

[Branton Red]

He's toast.

41.2% of Tory MPs want him gone.

A significant majority of his backbenchers want him gone - probably around 2/3rds.

A person of principle would take stock and resign tomorrow in his shoes.

[rtid88]

He's toast.

41.2% of Tory MPs want him gone.

A significant number of his backbenchers want him gone - probably around 2/3rds.

A person of principle would take stock and resign tomorrow in his shoes.

"Person of principle" ha, this is Boris were talking about he doesn't have any principles.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's an awful result for democracy, in that 59% of Tory MPs have shown themselves prepared to support someone who has consistently lied to Parliament. It really is a long way back from here.

From a party political standpoint, it could barely have been a better outcome for Labour.

[Branton Red]

He's toast.

41.2% of Tory MPs want him gone.

A significant number of his backbenchers want him gone - probably around 2/3rds.

A person of principle would take stock and resign tomorrow in his shoes.

"Person of principle" ha, this is Boris were talking about he doesn't have any principles.

  Apologies for being too subtle in the point I was trying to make rtid88 

[tyke1962]

Pretty good result for Labour and the Dems in my opinion .

This Tory civil war will continue for as long as it continues .

Two thumping by - election losses coming up and he still won't resign .

The cost of living crisis won't be improving anytime soon .

This idiot is even capable of calling a GE right now on a " the public love me " ticket , yep he's that deluded .

I bet Keith can't believe his luck tonight .

[albie]

It would be a good result for Labour if he was going to last....but he isn't.

His best case is dragging on for another year, but if Tiverton is a wipeout, the Tories will change the rules to allow an earlier challenge.

No way are they going to allow him to blunder on to oblivion.
They need a new leader in place in time to let him (or her) gain traction with the public before 2024.

[wilts rover]

211 Tory  MP's who owe their election to Johnson have confidence in him.

Yet all those MP's know he achived that election victory through lying to and deceiving the public. And has continued in office the same way. Do they really think he is going to change?

Longest suicide note in history (good for Labour/Lib Dem/SNP tho).

[Superspy]

Did that f**king plank just say "as much as you want to focus on me, politics and Westminster, I think what is most important is what we deliver"?!

[Filo]

A decisive result he says, what f**king planet is he on?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The line now seems to be that more Tory MPs voted for Johnson tonight than voted for him in the 2019 leadership election.

But of course there are more Tory MPs now. And even more of them voted AGAINST Johnson tonight than did in 2019.

Yet another example of the Tories working on the assumption that their supporters are too thick to realise when they are being bullshitted.

I reckon by the end of this week, the line will be that this was a Historic Great Victory, and when has Starmer ever won a vote of no confidence?

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way, a bit of analysis of the data. Assuming every MP on the Govt payroll (every senior and junior minister and every assistant to a minister) voted for Johnson tonight, then 75% of all Tory backbenchers voted against him.

If you want to believe that the backbench rebellion wasn't that big, that means that a significant number of people actually in the Executive, chosen by Johnson and paid above the normal MP rate voted against him.

[ravenrover]

"I'd do it again" when asked about his thank you parties so much for sincere apologies

[SydneyRover]

So Churchillian

[BillyStubbsTears]

There is one thing we should be grateful for tonight.

If the result had been a loud command of "Johnson out!"...

[Filo]

Dare he remove the whip from any of the 148?

He has form for it, dare he risk a full scale rebellion?

[drfchound]

It would be a good result for Labour if he was going to last....but he isn't.

His best case is dragging on for another year, but if Tiverton is a wipeout, the Tories will change the rules to allow an earlier challenge.

No way are they going to allow him to blunder on to oblivion.
They need a new leader in place in time to let him (or her) gain traction with the public before 2024.

 

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

But, it's his only play and maybe he can ride it out now. He will throw everything at it and try to create a legacy before he inevitably gets the boot eventually, or unlikely as it is turns it round.

Expect new hospitals, tax cuts and handouts all over the place and quick.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It would be a good result for Labour if he was going to last....but he isn't.

His best case is dragging on for another year, but if Tiverton is a wipeout, the Tories will change the rules to allow an earlier challenge.

No way are they going to allow him to blunder on to oblivion.
They need a new leader in place in time to let him (or her) gain traction with the public before 2024.

1) The time left for a replacement is now going to be much less than it would have been if they'd done Johnson in tonight.

2) Whoever the replacement is, it will be someone who voted for Johnson tonight. Gold dust for a Labour campaign.

3) The run up to the next election is going to be one of continued economic difficulty. Not brilliant for a new leader.

4) The Tory coalition now requires a leader to win support in Sevenoakes and Sunderland. That was Johnson's genius. It's a tough act to follow.

5) The state of the potential replacements...

[SydneyRover]

I guess it gives Carrie more time to prepare for her future.

[drfchound]

It looks like a stitched on walkover win in 2024 for Labour then.
Will anyone be putting their house on it?

[Bentley Bullet]

I wonder if "Beer Korma" (Cheers BST) would survive a confidence vote?

[SydneyRover]

He doesn't have to, it's all about johnson, didn't you notice?

[phil old leake]

Talk tonight of a potential Labour /SNP coalition or some kind of support for each other at the next election

Can you imagine this county of our (The UK) being run by any party where the SNP have any influence

There’s also the issue of a potential leadership change in the Labour Party I’d KS and AR have to resign if they have been found to have breached the rules

There’s too many yet to happen factors before the next election.

The ma
Big winners may yet be the Lib Dems.  Disenfranchised true tories won’t vote Labour but they might vote Lib Dems

It could be a very interesting few months with lots of twists and turns. Nothing is a shoe in at this stage

[Bentley Bullet]

I wonder if "Beer Korma" (Cheers BST) would survive a confidence vote?

Come on intellects, where are you?

[SydneyRover]

where would you put your hard earned on johson or Starmer going first?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wonder if "Beer Korma" (Cheers BST) would survive a confidence vote?

Come on intellects, where are you?

1) Yes he would. Comfortably.

2) Do you think you'd survive an asteroid landing on your head? That event is about as likely as Labour having a leadership challenge. Because Labour doesn't have a pathological liar as leader.

[Bentley Bullet]

Ah, but it does, and I'm sure you're glad that it does.

[danumdon]

Talk tonight of a potential Labour /SNP coalition or some kind of support for each other at the next election

Can you imagine this county of our (The UK) being run by any party where the SNP have any influence

There’s also the issue of a potential leadership change in the Labour Party I’d KS and AR have to resign if they have been found to have breached the rules

There’s too many yet to happen factors before the next election.

The ma
Big winners may yet be the Lib Dems.  Disenfranchised true tories won’t vote Labour but they might vote Lib Dems

It could be a very interesting few months with lots of twists and turns. Nothing is a shoe in at this stage

Lib Dems? the parasitic i'll stab my gran in the heart party if it gives me a chance of piggy backing into power, who's idea of  political activism is to enable that lunatic welshman Bray to stand outside parliament green screaming into a megaphone all day every day,

What i want to know is does he pay tax on his clandestine earnings and has he had a DBS check,

That Lib Dem party, i doubt it, they make Starmers Labour look businesslike.

[phil old leake]

Billy will that be enough to carry them through.

Let’s not forget there is still a lot of sympathy and support for the J Corbyns of the party

[phil old leake]

Danube I’m not supporting the Lib Dems I’m just suggesting that some Tory voters could defect to them that won’t vote Labour under any circumstances.