Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson

[SydneyRover]

Interesting attack documents by the tories being circulated about labour's poor economic policy

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yep, agreed bfyp.   There will inevitably be a little less driving due to price, but people working from home post pandemic and the rise of electric car use will undoubtedly have had an effect.
The use of petrol and diesel will probably continue to decrease in the coming years.

Even with a switch to electric cars, the electricity still has to be generated somewhere using some sort of energy. That's where oil will be used instead of in the cars themselves.

[albie]

Completely lost me there, Glyn.

No-one in their right mind is going to be generating electricity by burning oil.
The low cost route to electricity generation is solar and wind, with reserve storage from batteries.

Anyone looking to use oil will be bankrupt in next to no time.

[ravenrover]

So much for zero carbon, Kwarteng now asking coal  fired power stations to stay online longer to protect our energy supply

[Glyn_Wigley]

Completely lost me there, Glyn.

No-one in their right mind is going to be generating electricity by burning oil.
The low cost route to electricity generation is solar and wind, with reserve storage from batteries.

Anyone looking to use oil will be bankrupt in next to no time.

Renewable energy is nowhere near fulfilling the county's electricity needs now - how do you think the extra electricity to power cars is going to be generated?

[ravenrover]

But, but the Govt have signed up for clean energy we are going to build mulriple nuclear power station, invest in clean energy wind farms solar power and 40 new hospitals. But lets keep filthy coal powered power stations with imported coal good old EDF who the French put a cap on their price increase but what did we do?
Like everything else it's utter boll.........

[Filo]

So much for zero carbon, Kwarteng now asking coal  fired power stations to stay online longer to protect our energy supply

Imagine if we had our own supply of coal eh?

[ravenrover]

So much for zero carbon, Kwarteng now asking coal  fired power stations to stay online longer to protect our energy supply

Imagine if we had our own supply of coal eh?

Read my post above

[albie]

Completely lost me there, Glyn.

No-one in their right mind is going to be generating electricity by burning oil.
The low cost route to electricity generation is solar and wind, with reserve storage from batteries.

Anyone looking to use oil will be bankrupt in next to no time.

Renewable energy is nowhere near fulfilling the county's electricity needs now - how do you think the extra electricity to power cars is going to be generated?

Glyn,

You said oil was going to be the energy source for electricity generation...it isn't, not a chance.
I don't know where you get this idea from.

As far as renewables go, an increasing % of electricity will be from this source:
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/renewable-energy-uk-electricity-2030-b2015499.html

The uptake of renewables within the energy economy is influenced by government policy, so if subsidy is directed towards expensive solutions like nuclear, it will affect the pace of change.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Completely lost me there, Glyn.

No-one in their right mind is going to be generating electricity by burning oil.
The low cost route to electricity generation is solar and wind, with reserve storage from batteries.

Anyone looking to use oil will be bankrupt in next to no time.

Renewable energy is nowhere near fulfilling the county's electricity needs now - how do you think the extra electricity to power cars is going to be generated?

Glyn,

You said oil was going to be the energy source for electricity generation...it isn't, not a chance.
I don't know where you get this idea from.

As far as renewables go, an increasing % of electricity will be from this source:
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/renewable-energy-uk-electricity-2030-b2015499.html

The uptake of renewables within the energy economy is influenced by government policy, so if subsidy is directed towards expensive solutions like nuclear, it will affect the pace of change.

I don't know where you get the idea that any promises or projections this government comes out with are in any way an indicator of reality.

Especially if you read that article all the way to the end.

[albie]

Yes Glyn, I did say that government choices will affect the outcome.

The energy economy will gravitate to least cost solutions. The winners in a free market comparison are solar and wind, BUT if a government is in hock to vested interests, they will try to weight development to support favoured sectors.

I did read the article to the end, and as an indicator of reality I have many years experience in energy economics.
I still don't know where you get the idea that oil will be used to generate electricity...do you have a link?

[SydneyRover]

''The UK's first "off-grid" mobile phone mast is being switched on in a two-year pilot to deliver 4G coverage to a remote village''

Hope yet for Scawsby and Sprotbrough then

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-61798401

[BillyStubbsTears]

To have one standards adviser resign is unfortunate...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55016076.amp

To have two resign sounds like carelessness when it comes to standards.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61819747

[Donnywolf]

Arise Lord Hancock ?

[SydneyRover]

The second time Geidt has had to resign from his post, not a very popular figure with any that want to stretch the rules.

[Donnywolf]

Sue Gray wasn't supposed to be either

[SydneyRover]

johnson should stop with all the pretence and appoint Philip Green or someone similar.

[SydneyRover]

so basically Geidt calls johnson a snake and resigns

[tyke1962]

And still Labour are only two points ahead of Johnson , I'll not use the word Conservative Party .

Something not reight somewhere .

[Glyn_Wigley]

johnson should stop with all the pretence and appoint Philip Green or someone similar.

I hear Prince Andrew is looking for a job..!

[Glyn_Wigley]

And still Labour are only two points ahead of Johnson , I'll not use the word Conservative Party .

Something not reight somewhere .

Aye, you.

The latest poll of polls I've just looked at has Labour 6% ahead.

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022

[drfchound]

It’s going to be a walk over in the next GE isn’t it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It’s going to be a walk over in the next GE isn’t it.

If you say so.

I don't think it will though.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Of course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.

Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."

God help us...

[tyke1962]

And still Labour are only two points ahead of Johnson , I'll not use the word Conservative Party .

Something not reight somewhere .

Aye, you.

The latest poll of polls I've just looked at has Labour 6% ahead.

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022

I stand corrected , 6% wow !!!

[tyke1962]

Of course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.

Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."

God help us...

Terrible innit William , democracy and all that .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fee fi fo fum. I smell the blood of a Tarn Tory.

[tyke1962]

Fee fi fo fum. I smell the blood of a Tarn Tory.

To tell the truth William if both the major party's were cars you'd have taken them to the scrap yard decades ago .

I find both in varying degrees absolutely grotesque .

They both  survive because of tribalism and our voting system , that's the only thing that keeps them alive .

[drfchound]

Of course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.

Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."

God help us...

Terrible innit William , democracy and all that .

Tyke, bst doesn’t ever like to think that non Labour supporters can have a different opinion to himself.
Given the opportunity he would accept a dictatorship as long as it was his side who were in charge.
He also really dislikes older people.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fee fi fo fum. I smell the blood of a Tarn Tory.

To tell the truth William if both the major party's were cars you'd have taken them to the scrap yard decades ago .

I find both in varying degrees absolutely grotesque .

They both  survive because of tribalism and our voting system , that's the only thing that keeps them alive .

The very best of luck getting the country that you want then.

In our FPTP system, politics isn't about you saying "give me exactly what I demand or I'm not playing." It's about growing up, gritting your teeth and getting the least bad outcome on offer.

If you don't engage with that, and as a result, Johnson gets back in power, you can wave your conscience from the highest flagpole in Barnsley. But it won't change the fact. YOU will have chosen to put Johnson back in No10.

Your call.