Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson

[Glyn_Wigley]

f**k me, now No.10 is saying:

From BBC News

Any suggestion there's a procession of cabinet ministers telling Johnson to go "is not true", the source claims, adding: "He's called their bluff."

Do they really think nobody watches their telly?

[Glyn_Wigley]

From Partygate to Partygone.

[SydneyRover]

Are the police still out #10?

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's truly impossible to imagine the man-child's state of mind now.

He's gone by mid next week because the new 1922 Committee executive will 100% change the rules to allow a VONC. And he'll lose that at least 60-40. So what on earth does he gain by staying put now? Is his personality really that f**ked up that he can't face taking the responsibility himself for the decision?

I reckon you’ve actually had several w**ks tonight.

He’s in good company lol!

Great to see Belton adding something of value to the discussion as usual. I wonder if he's ever met that Belton who used to crusade against bringing personal abuse into threads in here?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Back on topic. I'm struggling to think of a situation remotely like this in the last 200 years of Parliamentary history. Pretty much the core of Government hollowed out, and a PM refusing to go. He will be flayed alive by historians in future centuries.

[belton rover]

It's truly impossible to imagine the man-child's state of mind now.

He's gone by mid next week because the new 1922 Committee executive will 100% change the rules to allow a VONC. And he'll lose that at least 60-40. So what on earth does he gain by staying put now? Is his personality really that f**ked up that he can't face taking the responsibility himself for the decision?

I reckon you’ve actually had several w**ks tonight.

He’s in good company lol!

Great to see Belton adding something of value to the discussion as usual. I wonder if he's ever met that Belton who used to crusade against bringing personal abuse into threads in here?

Billy. I don’t think w**king is classed as personal abuse anymore.

Which century are you still living in?

[tyke1962]

There all the same ............ 

[drfchound]

It's truly impossible to imagine the man-child's state of mind now.

He's gone by mid next week because the new 1922 Committee executive will 100% change the rules to allow a VONC. And he'll lose that at least 60-40. So what on earth does he gain by staying put now? Is his personality really that f**ked up that he can't face taking the responsibility himself for the decision?

I reckon you’ve actually had several w**ks tonight.

He’s in good company lol!

Great to see Belton adding something of value to the discussion as usual. I wonder if he's ever met that Belton who used to crusade against bringing personal abuse into threads in here?

Billy. I don’t think w**king is classed as personal abuse anymore.

It is more likely just personal use.

[rich1471]

In the last 24 hours 1 in 5 ministers have resigned a record bet he gets to put his spin on it saying 80% have stayed loyal ,the man is a joke

[belton rover]

Back on topic. I'm struggling to think of a situation remotely like this in the last 200 years of Parliamentary history. Pretty much the core of Government hollowed out, and a PM refusing to go. He will be flayed alive by historians in future centuries.

At least you won’t be around to comment on it.

[SydneyRover]

Not seeing any 'Churchill Factor' atm

[MachoMadness]

It's truly impossible to imagine the man-child's state of mind now.

He's gone by mid next week because the new 1922 Committee executive will 100% change the rules to allow a VONC. And he'll lose that at least 60-40. So what on earth does he gain by staying put now? Is his personality really that f**ked up that he can't face taking the responsibility himself for the decision?

Talking heads on sky news theorising he wants to beat Theresa May's time in office. He's a few days short. I believe it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The doesn't wipe away the fact that May was just completely ineffective and harmless whereas he has been a complete disaster.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Another member of the Cabinet gone: Simon Hart.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wonder if it's just about revenge for him now?

He's never been a traditional Tory. He used the Tory party for his own career.

Now they are deserting him, I wonder if he just wants to drag them all through the shite with him to destroy their credibility?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Scorched earth? He wouldn't be the first megalomaniac to resort to it.

[SydneyRover]

Events from today show how protocols need to be tightened up with a foreign secretary meeting an ex KGB agent without security present goes on to become PM because he refuses to admit it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The line tonight from his supporters is really quite sinister.

They're saying it was Johnson who won the election in 2019 and that MPs don't have the right to bring him down.

Which kind of sums up the Johnson method. He realised that our Constitution only works if people in power are prepared to stick to the rules. If they don't, like he hasn't, they can interpret it how they like. I do wonder if he's getting ready to lose the leadership of the party but simply refuse to stand down as PM and tip us into a full blown constitutional crisis that will drag the Queen into making decisions.

If he refuses to go as PM and can't get a majority in the House, what then? The only way he could be removed is by the Queen ordering him to go.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Actually this thread says it much better than me.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1544763592079278082

[BillyStubbsTears]

To be fair, the Orange Fascist called it right.

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+%22britain+trump%22&oq=trump+%22britain+trump%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.10373j0j4&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#

The Britain Trump.

"He'll do a good job."

If the job you want doing is to shite on a country's political system, they'll both do a big job all over it.

[SydneyRover]

Wouldn't someone have to give the queen authority, where could that come from if the need arises?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Wouldn't someone have to give the queen authority, where could that come from if the need arises?

If (when) Johnson can't get anything through Parliament because all the Tory MPs are sitting on their hands, the Queen (or rather the Palace machinery) will try to find someone who can form a functioning government. If there isn't one she can dissolve Parliament and call a GE to try and get one elected.

[BillyStubbsTears]

True Glyn. But if that happens, it'll be the first time since the Abdication Crisis that the Monarch has been directly involved in a major political decision. That opens up a massive can of worms.

[SydneyRover]

like this one?

''1975 Australian constitutional crisis''

''The 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, also known simply as the Dismissal, culminated on 11 November 1975 with the dismissal from office of the Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam of the Australian Labor Party (ALP), by Governor-General Sir John Kerr, who then commissioned the Leader of the Opposition, Malcolm Fraser of the Liberal Party, as caretaker Prime Minister. It has been described as the greatest political and constitutional crisis in Australian history''


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

''Decision
Because of the federal nature of our Constitution and because of its provisions the Senate undoubtedly has constitutional power to refuse or defer supply to the Government. Because of the principles of responsible government a Prime Minister who cannot obtain supply, including money for carrying on the ordinary services of government, must either advise a general election or resign. If he refuses to do this I have the authority and indeed the duty under the Constitution to withdraw his Commission as Prime Minister. The position in Australia is quite different from a position in the United Kingdom. Here the confidence of both Houses on supply is necessary to ensure its provision. In the United Kingdom the confidence of the House of Commons alone is necessary. But both here and in the United Kingdom the duty of the Prime Minister is the same in a most important aspect – if he cannot get supply he must resign or advise an election.

— Governor-General Sir John Kerr, Statement (dated 11 November 1975)[64]''

[Glyn_Wigley]

True Glyn. But if that happens, it'll be the first time since the Abdication Crisis that the Monarch has been directly involved in a major political decision. That opens up a massive can of worms.

Not really, if no government emerges she has a duty to call an election to try and get one.

[River Don]

The Mail is running this:

Theresa May could return as caretaker prime minister if Boris Johnson resigns, Tory sources said last night.

A well-placed source said the former PM was ‘uniquely placed’ to step in if Mr Johnson tries to order a snap election or quits straight after being ousted in a break with convention.

[SydneyRover]

Unfortunately I think he will be trawling through all the what-ifs at this very moment with whomever he can muster for support, I fear it will get very ugly.

[SydneyRover]

On the other hand I would like to see johnson refuse to go and dragged by police from #10 as payment for when he allowed this to happen. He's disgusting and lacking in morals.

''A special adviser who was escorted out of Downing Street by police on the orders of Dominic Cummings has been given a five-figure payoff by the government.

Sonia Khan, a former adviser to the then chancellor, Sajid Javid, is expected to receive the substantial sum after arguing in legal papers that the behaviour of Boris Johnson’s most senior aide was pivotal to her claim of sex discrimination.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/13/special-adviser-sacked-by-dominic-cummings-to-receive-payoff

[Filo]

Brandon Lewis has now resigned, there will be plenty more today I think

[drfchound]

It's truly impossible to imagine the man-child's state of mind now.

He's gone by mid next week because the new 1922 Committee executive will 100% change the rules to allow a VONC. And he'll lose that at least 60-40. So what on earth does he gain by staying put now? Is his personality really that f**ked up that he can't face taking the responsibility himself for the decision?

Talking heads on sky news theorising he wants to beat Theresa May's time in office. He's a few days short. I believe it.

If my memory is correct, wasn’t Theresa May distraught when she lost the job?
Perhaps she would be the right person to step,in and sort the mess out.