Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you still claiming to be politically neutral by the way?

[ravenrover]

OK been catching up a bit, why is everyone getting excited, the piglet hasn't gone and is still clinging on. He only SAYS he will stand down when a new leader is elected,  no mention of resigning why is everyone now believing what he says with his past record? Even Cummings is tweeting it is very dangerous to leave him clinging on

[danumdon]

DD.

Where have you been this last few years?

The 1 Nation Tories were drummed out of the party. The middle of the road Tory party you speak of simply doesn't exist!

Look at the ones who were kicked out.
Ken Clarke
Phillip Hammond
Justine Greening
Dominic Grieve
David Gauke

Or sidelined
Jeremy Hunt
Damian Green

The entire party has been taken over by a right wing cabal. Even under Thatcher, you'd never have had someone as extreme as Patel at the top of Govt. Or someone like Raab and Truss who are on record as calling the British workers "among the worst idlers in the world". Those are the people in control of today's Tory party. The sensible ones have all gone!

I don't agree with your opinion, BST, this current Tory party contains a great many MPS who could easily identify with social policy's to the left of the last Liberal party manifesto.

Are you trying to say that R Sunak as Chancellor was to the right of K Clarke in his pomp?

The right wing element you talk about only exists because of pressure from the ERG exerting influence over Johnson and his inept incompetent cabinet.

Do you seriously think a Tory party led by the likes of  Wallace,Tugendhat, Javid, Zahawi, Sunak are not center right, moderate figures, because no one believes for one minuet that the likes of Truss, Braverman, Patel , Baker are going
to feature.

I'd go as far as to say that Keith himself could sit easy with some of the former names on many issues.

Most of the names you say, who were drummed out of the party were closet Liberals and much closer aligned in that direction.

[danumdon]

Are you still claiming to be politically neutral by the way?

I'm always open to a party that has my interests at its heart along with the interests of the nation as a whole.

Now i know these two ideals are not mutually compatible right now but i'd like to think that we have political parties that are prepared to meet us part of the way.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Christ DD, Sunak is MILES to the right of Clarke.

[danumdon]

Christ DD, Sunak is MILES to the right of Clarke.

Read the paragraph again, this time without covering the keyboard in slather.

[drfchound]

The ones who didn't prop up said megalomaniac?

True, and there are a great many who would choose someone else if given the option.

Its a bit like when Corbyn was in charge, how many of the labour back benches and disposed right wing element went along with him for party harmony, if they had the option at the time they would of chosen someone else but they didn't.

Remember saint Keith was Corbyns lieutenant and went along with his left wing nonsense, if he had been elected all the right wing who are now on the front bench would of sang to his tune until the opportunity came to stab him in the back. Its just politics.

Would that be the same Starmer who, when appointed leader, promised to reinstate socialist ideas into the LP ……….. and still hasn’t.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Christ DD, Sunak is MILES to the right of Clarke.

And Javid is nowhere near a centrist moderate either.

[scawsby steve]

The bookies favourite is Ben Wallace, who is nothing like the far right loonies that some of you are on about.

[ravenrover]

Peter Bone? Peter fu<king Bone, the piglet is taking the piss now

[wilts rover]

The bookies favourite is Ben Wallace, who is nothing like the far right loonies that some of you are on about.

I think that is a fair comment. Wallace is more to the left than most (all) of the other declared contenders. He, like Johnson, believes in state spending - although as a former director of QinetiQ and a current advocate of giving contracts to QineticQ - he wants much more on defence than Johnson did.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The bookies favourite is Ben Wallace, who is nothing like the far right loonies that some of you are on about.

He's well liked by the party membership, so he'd be the favourite if he got to the last two that was put before them. I'm not sure he's the favourite to get to the last two though.

[SydneyRover]

Mark Rowley has put his name up to be tory leader

[drfchound]

Any thoughts:

[Branton Red]

Any thoughts:

Generally positive - looks to be one of the front runners given some of the other names I've heard mentioned.

Cons - unwillingness to run around suggests he may be a lazy bas**rd and those yellow stars round his head suggest a Remoaner.

[SydneyRover]

''Rowley pitched a 100-day plan to start turning the Met tory party around, aware that more scandals and setbacks are to come, with some of the force’s leadership in denial about the severe trouble the organisation is in. He said the vast majority of Met tory party staff were dedicated but he vowed to be “ruthless in removing those who are corrupting our integrity”.

[wilts rover]

Any thoughts:

What Nick Lowe said:

Do you remember Rick Astley?
He had a big fat hit that was ghastly
He said I'm never gonna give you up or let you down
Well I'm here to tell ya that dick's a clown
Though he was just a boy when he made that vow
I'd bet it all that he knows by now
All men (all men)
All men are liars their words ain't worth no more than worn out tires
Hey girls (girls) bring rusty pliers to pull this tooth
All men are liars and that's the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6hzkBihaew

[wilts rover]

The bookies favourite is Ben Wallace, who is nothing like the far right loonies that some of you are on about.

I think that is a fair comment. Wallace is more to the left than most (all) of the other declared contenders. He, like Johnson, believes in state spending - although as a former director of QinetiQ and a current advocate of giving contracts to QineticQ - he wants much more on defence than Johnson did.

And a friend of Jeremy Corbyn I have just found out. So that's him out of the race:

https://twitter.com/BWallaceMP/status/632953911956119552

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'd like to see more of what Ben Wallace would do on non defence things.

I don't think now is the time for Sunak to win and I'm not sure his economic philosophy is right in the current environment.  We will see who comes out for the post and what they want to do.

[SydneyRover]

Back on topic

 .............. ''As the summer arrives, I will live Johnson’s legacy. I’m a full-time unpaid carer to my 13-year-old son. We live on universal credit, and have only got poorer under Johnson’s levelling up agenda. There’ll be no summer holiday for us; the idea is almost laughable. There’ll be no nice new clothes for my boy, or treats to while away a summer afternoon. As I carry out the mental gymnastics of making our paltry universal credit payment stretch, any extras like food vouchers or donations get sucked into bills that I have been unable to save for, just so we can live. I am moved to tears as I write this, knowing Johnson will never be forced to face up to the damage that he has done to millions of families like mine.

He has patronised us incessantly, telling us soaring energy prices are an unavoidable result of war – that doesn’t help me when our gas and energy prices have already doubled. He has boasted how he “got Brexit done”. Brexit might have been pushed through, but to whose benefit? What he cobbled together has only made life harder for those living on a fixed income at the most frightening time of our lives. The extra £20 “uplift” in universal credit payments we received during the pandemic, just about the only good thing he oversaw, was snatched away when we needed it most.

And while Boris was partying in May 2020, my sister died, alone, in agony. I spoke to her for the last time the day before, but there were no goodbyes, no last hugs. The morally corrupt man leading the country didn’t even have enough self-respect to come clean about his lies. I will never be able to reconcile that in my heart'' ...............

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/08/boris-johnson-life-miserable-families-suffering-legacy

[BobG]

I have a very good friend, a very long standing friend, who has, in the past, been a Conservative Parliamentary candidate and a leading Conservative councillor in a vibrant, modern city. For decades he has suggested to me that he really doesn't mind which party is in power as long as that party governs for at least a decade.  he believes that only then will the results of relative Party philosophies and capabilities become readily apparent.

I am looking forward to meeting up with him next week.

BobG

[drfchound]

Any thoughts:

What Nick Lowe said:

Do you remember Rick Astley?
He had a big fat hit that was ghastly
He said I'm never gonna give you up or let you down
Well I'm here to tell ya that dick's a clown
Though he was just a boy when he made that vow
I'd bet it all that he knows by now
All men (all men)
All men are liars their words ain't worth no more than worn out tires
Hey girls (girls) bring rusty pliers to pull this tooth
All men are liars and that's the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6hzkBihaew

#allthesamethen.

[mugnapper]

The bookies favourite is Ben Wallace, who is nothing like the far right loonies that some of you are on about.

Ben Wallace’s voting record suggests he is a homophobe. I’m sure that some on here would take that as a positive thing.

[mugnapper]

Any thoughts:

What Nick Lowe said:

Do you remember Rick Astley?
He had a big fat hit that was ghastly
He said I'm never gonna give you up or let you down
Well I'm here to tell ya that dick's a clown
Though he was just a boy when he made that vow
I'd bet it all that he knows by now
All men (all men)
All men are liars their words ain't worth no more than worn out tires
Hey girls (girls) bring rusty pliers to pull this tooth
All men are liars and that's the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6hzkBihaew

Nick Lowe has been making cracking songs for decades. He’s one of those blokes who when he dies will be hailed a ‘legend’ by the press who’ve ignored him since 1978.

[Dutch Uncle]

Any thoughts:

What Nick Lowe said:

Do you remember Rick Astley?
He had a big fat hit that was ghastly
He said I'm never gonna give you up or let you down
Well I'm here to tell ya that dick's a clown
Though he was just a boy when he made that vow
I'd bet it all that he knows by now
All men (all men)
All men are liars their words ain't worth no more than worn out tires
Hey girls (girls) bring rusty pliers to pull this tooth
All men are liars and that's the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6hzkBihaew

I am really getting old - I am starting to mix up Nick Lowe, Nick Laird-Clowes and Andy Fairweather-Low 

[belton rover]

I have a very good friend, a very long standing friend, who has, in the past, been a Conservative Parliamentary candidate and a leading Conservative councillor in a vibrant, modern city. For decades he has suggested to me that he really doesn't mind which party is in power as long as that party governs for at least a decade.  he believes that only then will the results of relative Party philosophies and capabilities become readily apparent.

I am looking forward to meeting up with him next week.

BobG

If only every politician and party follower thought this way.

[mugnapper]

Sunak has released a slick video pushing his claim to be next PM.
It also promotes his 'Ready for Rishi' website. The domain name for 'Ready for Rishi' was purchased in Dec2021, a few days after the pics of the Garden Party in Downing St were leaked.
Coincidence?

[BigH]

Back on topic

 .............. ''As the summer arrives, I will live Johnson’s legacy. I’m a full-time unpaid carer to my 13-year-old son. We live on universal credit, and have only got poorer under Johnson’s levelling up agenda. There’ll be no summer holiday for us; the idea is almost laughable. There’ll be no nice new clothes for my boy, or treats to while away a summer afternoon. As I carry out the mental gymnastics of making our paltry universal credit payment stretch, any extras like food vouchers or donations get sucked into bills that I have been unable to save for, just so we can live. I am moved to tears as I write this, knowing Johnson will never be forced to face up to the damage that he has done to millions of families like mine.

He has patronised us incessantly, telling us soaring energy prices are an unavoidable result of war – that doesn’t help me when our gas and energy prices have already doubled. He has boasted how he “got Brexit done”. Brexit might have been pushed through, but to whose benefit? What he cobbled together has only made life harder for those living on a fixed income at the most frightening time of our lives. The extra £20 “uplift” in universal credit payments we received during the pandemic, just about the only good thing he oversaw, was snatched away when we needed it most.

And while Boris was partying in May 2020, my sister died, alone, in agony. I spoke to her for the last time the day before, but there were no goodbyes, no last hugs. The morally corrupt man leading the country didn’t even have enough self-respect to come clean about his lies. I will never be able to reconcile that in my heart'' ...............

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/08/boris-johnson-life-miserable-families-suffering-legacy

You know what, it’d be interesting to know if this person voted for Johnson in 2019.

[SydneyRover]

It shouldn't really matter who you vote for BigH, the government of the day should do the best they can for the whole population not just cronies, buddies and sycophants. If they give welfare to those that need it, it would circulate through the economy very quickly.

[Donnywolf]

Wallace not running for PM