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Title: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Donnywolf on April 09, 2024, 10:55:28 pm
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Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: RobTheRover on April 09, 2024, 10:58:54 pm
A little inconsistent, but far from the worst we've had. That booking for Adelakun was his worst transgression.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Iberian Red on April 09, 2024, 11:08:07 pm
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Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Donnywolf on April 09, 2024, 11:12:10 pm
Hi Rob ... compounded by not showing a Yellow to their player foe exactly the same thing on 56 minutes

Also.ignoring giving a Yellow to their 12 when he blatantly hauled back our player twice but because he was on  Yellow he didn't get another

They will never stop cheats if they don't follow their mandatory rules

Man U bloke got sent off for 2 yellows after scoring v LFC the second for taking his bloody shirt off .... hadly gaining an advantage or cheating

But 12 tonight WAS cheating and should have paid the price but weak kneed Speedie let him get away with it twice
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: mushRTID on April 09, 2024, 11:15:48 pm
I don’t think that west stand lino knew how to make a decision himself. Absolutely useless. The offside was the only thing he did, everything else the ref had to tell him first! Useless!!
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: roversdude on April 09, 2024, 11:43:30 pm
Thought he had learned how to play exactly by the book when he sent Grant off at Tranmere. Absolutely disgraceful inconsistency tonight as referenced above
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Colin C No.3 on April 09, 2024, 11:55:12 pm
I don’t think that west stand lino knew how to make a decision himself. Absolutely useless. The offside was the only thing he did, everything else the ref had to tell him first! Useless!!

What is it about Lino’s on that side? Every week we appear to get one on Valium!
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on April 10, 2024, 12:28:39 am
Very inconsistent. Some plain wrong calls. Seemed to let Walsall do whatever they wanted to.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on April 10, 2024, 12:29:34 am
I don’t think that west stand lino knew how to make a decision himself. Absolutely useless. The offside was the only thing he did, everything else the ref had to tell him first! Useless!!

What is it about Lino’s on that side? Every week we appear to get one on Valium!

No grumbles from me. If he'd been conscious, he might have seen the ball cross the goal line twice in that first minute scramble.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Colin C No.3 on April 10, 2024, 05:50:34 am
I don’t think that west stand lino knew how to make a decision himself. Absolutely useless. The offside was the only thing he did, everything else the ref had to tell him first! Useless!!

What is it about Lino’s on that side? Every week we appear to get one on Valium!

No grumbles from me. If he'd been conscious, he might have seen the ball cross the goal line twice in that first minute scramble.

True, & perhaps the one in the second half from Rovers.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Donnywolf on April 10, 2024, 06:21:19 am
I was told the Rovers one did not cross the line , and I dont hold that against Refs.

The most important decision they make will not improve till Hawkeye comes along

The inconsistency in applying "mandatory" punishments is down to themselves
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: 5minstogo on April 10, 2024, 07:39:02 am
I'm almost bang in line,  neither went in. The offside against Ironside was closer and probably 9 times out of 10 its not given. Lino has got one right with pure guess work.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Campsall rover on April 10, 2024, 08:09:08 am
I don’t think that west stand lino knew how to make a decision himself. Absolutely useless. The offside was the only thing he did, everything else the ref had to tell him first! Useless!!

What is it about Lino’s on that side? Every week we appear to get one on Valium!

No grumbles from me. If he'd been conscious, he might have seen the ball cross the goal line twice in that first minute scramble.
I am almost in line, not quite level with the goal line on the West Stand BST. I did not think in any of those goal line scrambles the ball crossed the line.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: drfchound on April 10, 2024, 08:30:09 am
Neither scramble appeared to me to have the ball cross the line.
It would be interesting to see any evidence from anyone who thinks a goal was scored.
In both situations there were tremendous blocks by defenders and lots of luck involved.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: mushRTID on April 10, 2024, 08:42:26 am
I don’t think that west stand lino knew how to make a decision himself. Absolutely useless. The offside was the only thing he did, everything else the ref had to tell him first! Useless!!

What is it about Lino’s on that side? Every week we appear to get one on Valium!

No grumbles from me. If he'd been conscious, he might have seen the ball cross the goal line twice in that first minute scramble.

Have you seen a replay?
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: donnievic on April 10, 2024, 09:00:38 am
Hard to tell from south but I didn’t think either was  in and also looked like Joe was off when the ball was played but tight,adelukan caution is one of them is 50/50 he didn’t kick the ball away but took around couple of there players and stopped them getting it,shouldn’t matter but they they kicked it away I’m thinking it’s cos they were losing so maybe he didn’t see it as time wasting lol
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: pib on April 10, 2024, 09:52:29 am
I don’t think that west stand lino knew how to make a decision himself. Absolutely useless. The offside was the only thing he did, everything else the ref had to tell him first! Useless!!

What is it about Lino’s on that side? Every week we appear to get one on Valium!

No grumbles from me. If he'd been conscious, he might have seen the ball cross the goal line twice in that first minute scramble.

Have you seen a replay?

I've tried to slow it down and pause it and I genuinely don't think either crossed the line, and I would be honest if I think they did. The first one that bounced off the bar was probably closest as it landed on the line, but doesn't look over. The second attempt is more difficult to see as their number 2 is standing in the way, but Ironside is the one that clears it (twice) and only for a brief split-second are his feet actually behind the line and it doesn't look as if the ball went over.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: mushRTID on April 10, 2024, 09:58:24 am
I don’t think they did either but BST seems pretty confident it did so was wondering if he’s seen a different replay to us.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on April 10, 2024, 10:01:19 am
I don’t think they did either but BST seems pretty confident it did so was wondering if he’s seen a different replay to us.

It was a light-hearted comment. I've not seen any video.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: pib on April 10, 2024, 10:03:32 am
Fair enough. I genuinely wouldn't have been surprised if that Lino had missed something because his eyes seemed to be painted on for most of the throw-in calls he made.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: StocktonRover on April 10, 2024, 10:32:22 am
On the Walsall forum, those watching it on i follow seem to agree it didnt cross the line.
Most importantly though, the ref didnt think it did.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: drfchound on April 10, 2024, 10:51:42 am
Would it be over expensive to apply goal line technology to all EFL grounds?
Does anyone know about costs of stuff like that?
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Alan Southstand on April 10, 2024, 10:59:23 am
Trying to determine whether anyone is offside, from the Southstand, is not easy but I was baffled by the decision on Ironside being offside for the goal that was disallowed!

There was also one in the first half where the Walsall wide man looked to be a couple of yards off when receiving a through ball but West Stand Lino’s eyes, yet again, were undercoated and 2 coats of gloss on them! Nothing given.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: jmt23 on April 10, 2024, 11:19:43 am
I still do not know how the ball that hit woods shoulder, never went in, it just dropped and didn’t roll? it just stuck like an 80’s match ball in the mud.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: idler2 on April 10, 2024, 12:41:07 pm
Trying to determine whether anyone is offside, from the Southstand, is not easy but I was baffled by the decision on Ironside being offside for the goal that was disallowed!

There was also one in the first half where the Walsall wide man looked to be a couple of yards off when receiving a through ball but West Stand Lino’s eyes, yet again, were undercoated and 2 coats of gloss on them! Nothing given.
I wasn’t there last night but my mate was and almost in line with the goal line. He was happy that none of them crossed the line. GM said Joe was just offside. IFollow said that the link missed two obvious offsides ny them in the first half.
 
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Bessie Red on April 10, 2024, 01:41:20 pm
A little inconsistent, but far from the worst we've had. That booking for Adelakun was his worst transgression.
Yeah Grant wasnt too happy about that in his interview!
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: drfchound on April 10, 2024, 02:10:02 pm
Have we any players with potential suspensions looming, for totting up of bookings?
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Donnywolf on April 10, 2024, 02:40:06 pm
Have we any players with potential suspensions looming, for totting up of bookings?

T L-T must be close

I used to have a good EFL site with all Suspensions

Will have a look
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Filo on April 10, 2024, 02:42:37 pm
Weren’t they wiped clean not long ago, or something like that?
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: roversdude on April 10, 2024, 02:54:05 pm
I think Bailey was the closest but got through 2 games without a booking which more or less wiped the slate clean
Obviously Big Tom is available for Saturday after serving his ban, think Olowu has the shirt at the minute though
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on April 10, 2024, 03:00:13 pm
The Adelakun booking was a woeful decision, so inconsistent given they'd done worse at least 3 times.  Consistency shouldn't be too hard.

Don't think any of them were over the line, the Ironside one you get some you don't get others.  His flag was up very early (I sit level with the Pen spot so get a good view on offsides). The one mentioned against Walsall above also wasn't offside, Oluwu in the middle played him on out wide by a good yard.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Prez on April 10, 2024, 03:24:18 pm
What was the commotion coming from the west stand about 5 mins before half time during a stoppage in play? Was there an off the ball incident? Couldnt tell from the south stand.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: silent majority on April 10, 2024, 06:47:40 pm
Maybe somebody can explain to me why the lino on the East stand side kept her flag down when the Walsall players were clearly offside?

Now, I can understand that if VAR is present, see the move out and then clarify the position, but we don't have VAR. So why is play allowed to continue?
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: donnievic on April 10, 2024, 10:34:25 pm
Anyone seen the incident in the Harrogate v grimsby game where Grimsby goal was ruled for offside???,everyone moaning about a shocking decision it was,until another angle pops up showing where a great call by the assistant
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: drfchound on April 10, 2024, 10:44:16 pm
What about the goal by Niall Ennis for Stoke at Swansea being ruled out.
The Swans keeper drops the ball and it hits Ennis who prods it into the goal.
It is disallowed.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Alan Southstand on April 10, 2024, 10:48:19 pm
The WBA 2nd goal (v Rotherham) was an absolute howler by the ref. The Rotherham lad is nearly 2 yards outside the box when the ball hits his hand and the ref points to the spot!

Criminal.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: 5minstogo on April 11, 2024, 09:10:43 am
Maybe somebody can explain to me why the lino on the East stand side kept her flag down when the Walsall players were clearly offside?

Now, I can understand that if VAR is present, see the move out and then clarify the position, but we don't have VAR. So why is play allowed to continue?

I'm yet to see a match when she had kept up with play.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: silent majority on April 11, 2024, 09:14:36 am
Maybe somebody can explain to me why the lino on the East stand side kept her flag down when the Walsall players were clearly offside?

Now, I can understand that if VAR is present, see the move out and then clarify the position, but we don't have VAR. So why is play allowed to continue?

I'm yet to see a match when she had kept up with play.

There was at least one occasion where she missed the offside completely. But on other occasions she would raise the flag once the play was completed, and that I couldn't understand why. Was she giving herself thinking time? Or is it a directive at LG2 level as well|?
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Donnywolf on April 11, 2024, 09:34:51 am
Without VAR they are asking for trouble (if that is a directive)

If a Flag goes up instantly you would never have any goal scored nor any Penalty awarded and that would be less contentious than allowing play to continue

In that case if a Team scores or is awarded a Penalty or there is a Red Card etc without VAR there is no proof there was an Offside and human intervention might be in play.

I.e. Lino decides to favour the big team or the home team or both. Pressure ( for the sake of raising a Flag and risking wrath )
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: IDM on April 11, 2024, 09:57:06 am
 Think it is the norm these days to raise the flag once a play is completed.
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Campsall rover on April 11, 2024, 10:21:31 am
Think it is the norm these days to raise the flag once a play is completed.
The flag does not go up until the player is in possession of the ball. You’re not offside until in possession unless you are interfering in the play or blocking the goalkeepers vision.

This rule drives me potty because the flag goes up so late or not at all as the player didn’t make contact with the ball.

What is the definition of interfering with play? It’s such a crazy rule because you’re asking the assistant ref or the ref to make a snap judgement on something that is just an opinion and not a fact.  It’s crazy.

Off side should be offside whether the player touches it or not imo.


Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Donnywolf on April 12, 2024, 03:24:40 pm
Would it work if offsides were abolished do we think

It would make the game less contentious but would it be the same game without it ?
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: Draytonian III on April 12, 2024, 03:40:26 pm
With no offsides it would be like watching U7s play, big kick by the keeper into the other penalty area, no need for wide players or creative midfielders
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: drfchound on April 12, 2024, 04:37:14 pm
Have we any players with potential suspensions looming, for totting up of bookings?

Did anyone find anything with regards to potential suspensions?
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: donnievic on April 12, 2024, 06:34:42 pm
Sure they get wiped after Easter games
Title: Re: Just a word for the ref
Post by: curley on April 12, 2024, 06:54:02 pm
Suspensions are for 15 Yellows now.