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Quote from: tyke1962 on June 07, 2022, 05:11:31 pmWell the blonde buffoon survives till the day he hmmm doesn't I suppose .Which in reality plays out that the Tory Party will eat itself and virtually hand the next GE to a coalition government made up of Labour , SNP and possibly the Dems .A word of warning though .So much as hint at a return to the EU in any shape or form either pre election or post from any potential Government coalition and I can guarantee you'll put the Tories back in the game and once back in the game you can pretty much work out how that plays out at the ballot box .So I'd respectively suggest to the active remainers , kindly shut the feck up .Tyke, I have seen one poster on here say that he would be happy for Labour to put forward a manifesto to gain power then change to other policies afterwards.
Well the blonde buffoon survives till the day he hmmm doesn't I suppose .Which in reality plays out that the Tory Party will eat itself and virtually hand the next GE to a coalition government made up of Labour , SNP and possibly the Dems .A word of warning though .So much as hint at a return to the EU in any shape or form either pre election or post from any potential Government coalition and I can guarantee you'll put the Tories back in the game and once back in the game you can pretty much work out how that plays out at the ballot box .So I'd respectively suggest to the active remainers , kindly shut the feck up .
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 06, 2022, 10:40:56 pmQuote from: albie on June 06, 2022, 09:39:06 pmIt would be a good result for Labour if he was going to last....but he isn't.His best case is dragging on for another year, but if Tiverton is a wipeout, the Tories will change the rules to allow an earlier challenge.No way are they going to allow him to blunder on to oblivion.They need a new leader in place in time to let him (or her) gain traction with the public before 2024.1) The time left for a replacement is now going to be much less than it would have been if they'd done Johnson in tonight.2) Whoever the replacement is, it will be someone who voted for Johnson tonight. Gold dust for a Labour campaign.3) The run up to the next election is going to be one of continued economic difficulty. Not brilliant for a new leader. 4) The Tory coalition now requires a leader to win support in Sevenoakes and Sunderland. That was Johnson's genius. It's a tough act to follow.5) The state of the potential replacements...I disagree with 2), BST. Jeremy Hunt was quite emphatic that he'd be voting against Johnson.He's my tip for the next leader, and I think he could give Starmer trouble. JMHO.
Quote from: albie on June 06, 2022, 09:39:06 pmIt would be a good result for Labour if he was going to last....but he isn't.His best case is dragging on for another year, but if Tiverton is a wipeout, the Tories will change the rules to allow an earlier challenge.No way are they going to allow him to blunder on to oblivion.They need a new leader in place in time to let him (or her) gain traction with the public before 2024.1) The time left for a replacement is now going to be much less than it would have been if they'd done Johnson in tonight.2) Whoever the replacement is, it will be someone who voted for Johnson tonight. Gold dust for a Labour campaign.3) The run up to the next election is going to be one of continued economic difficulty. Not brilliant for a new leader. 4) The Tory coalition now requires a leader to win support in Sevenoakes and Sunderland. That was Johnson's genius. It's a tough act to follow.5) The state of the potential replacements...
It would be a good result for Labour if he was going to last....but he isn't.His best case is dragging on for another year, but if Tiverton is a wipeout, the Tories will change the rules to allow an earlier challenge.No way are they going to allow him to blunder on to oblivion.They need a new leader in place in time to let him (or her) gain traction with the public before 2024.
Quote from: drfchound on June 07, 2022, 05:58:41 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 07, 2022, 05:11:31 pmWell the blonde buffoon survives till the day he hmmm doesn't I suppose .Which in reality plays out that the Tory Party will eat itself and virtually hand the next GE to a coalition government made up of Labour , SNP and possibly the Dems .A word of warning though .So much as hint at a return to the EU in any shape or form either pre election or post from any potential Government coalition and I can guarantee you'll put the Tories back in the game and once back in the game you can pretty much work out how that plays out at the ballot box .So I'd respectively suggest to the active remainers , kindly shut the feck up .Tyke, I have seen one poster on here say that he would be happy for Labour to put forward a manifesto to gain power then change to other policies afterwards.No wonder Hound given the current Labour Leader didn't deliver on one of his leadership election pledges .I wouldn't trust Starmer to deliver on a single promise .He'd have torn up the 2016 referendum result and put it in the bin without even thinking about it .
An attempt from someone that helped this absolute scandal ridden government into power to not want anyone to refer to a reversal of possibly the dumbest political decision ever made this side of ww2. Thank you for the advice, not. Having said that, has anyone heard anyone at all talk of a reversal? It's difficult not to discuss the consequences as it is evidenced on a daily basis across the news, ask anyone that's been near an airport recently. I would respectfully suggest that anyone that voted for brexit automatically disqualifies themselves from taking up a political advisory roll.
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 08, 2022, 01:00:19 amAn attempt from someone that helped this absolute scandal ridden government into power to not want anyone to refer to a reversal of possibly the dumbest political decision ever made this side of ww2. Thank you for the advice, not. Having said that, has anyone heard anyone at all talk of a reversal? It's difficult not to discuss the consequences as it is evidenced on a daily basis across the news, ask anyone that's been near an airport recently. I would respectfully suggest that anyone that voted for brexit automatically disqualifies themselves from taking up a political advisory roll.That's fine Syd .Reverse Brexit , however put that in an election manifesto and let the electorate decide .Now I know the Labour Party has a real distaste for democracy but it seems fair enough to me .You weren't thinking of pushing this through were you in coalition with the SNP and the Dems without a mandate from the electorate were you ?
You would think that this far into the electoral cycle the opposition should be showing some sort of ground gained, its not as if Johnson's government hasn't given every opportunity to be exposed. To me Labour have not gained enough leverage from these last two years of none government. It should have been the biggest of own goals for any opposition to lay waste to the countless disasters Johnson has befallen on the Tories.I'd say in two years time you should be looking at a totally different leadership with some semblance of competence to back up a GE campaign. I wonder if Labour will have some sort of policies in place that can be scrutinized for the obvious shortfall that will be on display, i don't think the electorate will fall for them trying on the Tories clothes.More than all still to play for.
Only a couple of weeks to the next battleground and hand to hand fighting in cabinet. There's talk already of the rebels positioning themselves for concessions on legislation, I doubt johnson and the johnson's will have time to organise themselves into a government and offer changes that will benefit the country. After that it will be skirmishes all the way until the tory party put the liar out of his misery, they just have to wait for the x-rays.
the Guardian''One Conservative MP, Bob Seely, who supported Johnson in the confidence vote, said the point on tax cuts was about the “narrative” for the party, rather than specifically which taxes should be cut.“The issue is [on tax cuts] – and I’m a big fan of David Frost – is that it is about an agenda and a narrative. We need to take people with us, saying this where we are going and what we are doing. A lack of direction is a serious thing … We need an agenda and we need to deliver the government that we said we were going to deliver.”''Not about where or why tax cuts should be made just that they should be made because the tories want a mantra.
Of course we are a long way from the next election. But things have changed markedly from previous decades. Big percentages of the electorate used to swing directly from Lab to Con and back again on a year by year basis. Now we are far more tribal. Far fewer people swing between the main parties.The reduction in Con support since the last election is mainly due to 2019 Con voters now saying Don't Know or Won't Vote. Some of them might go back for sure. But how many?Similarly, about 10% of those who voted Lab in 2019 now say they will vote Green. But how many of them will stick to that when faced with effectively wasting their vote and letting the Tories back in come 2024?Works both ways. And there's another 12 months at least of grinding reduction in living standards to come, followed by, at best, a weak recovery. Very much all still to play for, but the Tories just made it significantly harder for themselves last night.
'' tend to think his point initially is spot on. Set the strategy, work on it, then formalise the detail''Maybe you can tell me what the strategy is pud?
I remember someone who accused me of something terrible on this forum and refused to do answers when confronted about it.
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 08, 2022, 09:44:07 am'' tend to think his point initially is spot on. Set the strategy, work on it, then formalise the detail''Maybe you can tell me what the strategy is pud?I'm not an MP so I've no need to. All planned out in my own workplace though.
PMQs''Johnson claims he has alienated 148 of his Tory MPs because his government has done 'big, remarkable things'''
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 08, 2022, 12:06:31 pmI remember someone who accused me of something terrible on this forum and refused to do answers when confronted about it.I vaguely remember that too Glyn and what you are saying isn’t strictly true.
It's a good article Albie, Rafael Behr calls him ''biddable'' I been saying it for a long time. the link between big donors and politicians needs to be broken