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Quote from: belton rover on September 15, 2021, 08:27:30 pmCould it be that Bogle is Diane Abbot’s love child?Another easy target, nice one.
Could it be that Bogle is Diane Abbot’s love child?
I'm doing my level best to keep this polite and impersonal Jonathan, but it's not easy. You're a clever lad and usually a very good poster but I assume you're having a rough couple of days because your being rather childish here.I haven't eulogised about his performance at Accrington. Grow up. I have simply said it was as competent a performance as any other player that night. Which makes it odd that (if we are simply talking football ability) he was left out of the 18 at Rotherham, while we started without a recognised striker. What had happened between the Accrington and Rotherham matches of course was that Bogle had turned down a transfer and Wellens had very publicly expressed his displeasure at that. That was my point about him being frozen out. You can by all means say he deserves it and it is a sensible decision, but to deny it has happened is simply obtuse.
Bob, serious question, are you scared of BST?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 15, 2021, 07:20:10 pmI'm doing my level best to keep this polite and impersonal Jonathan, but it's not easy. You're a clever lad and usually a very good poster but I assume you're having a rough couple of days because your being rather childish here.I haven't eulogised about his performance at Accrington. Grow up. I have simply said it was as competent a performance as any other player that night. Which makes it odd that (if we are simply talking football ability) he was left out of the 18 at Rotherham, while we started without a recognised striker. What had happened between the Accrington and Rotherham matches of course was that Bogle had turned down a transfer and Wellens had very publicly expressed his displeasure at that. That was my point about him being frozen out. You can by all means say he deserves it and it is a sensible decision, but to deny it has happened is simply obtuse.You’re not doing very well with your efforts to keep this impersonal BST.“Grow up”“Your (sic) being rather childish...”Sometimes you really need to hold up your hands and admit you’re wrong.Give it a try, you might find it a cathartic experience.
Look at the context Jonathan. I'm being criticised for having a go at you. By someone who seems oblivious to the fact that it was in response to you having a go at me. Simple as that.
Quote from: DonnyNoel on September 13, 2021, 06:35:26 pmDon't like players airing the dirty laundry in public and would imagine they're in breach of some kind of social media policy but without wanting to be in the minority here, there's definitely a few managers spoken badly about in autobiographies and podcasts like Undr The Cosh that have made players train away from the main group. The way in which the club has dealt with this has been shocking. It has hung the players out to dry. You cannot complain about players going public on "dirty washing" when the club has essentially been scapegoating them in public for a month. As Albie says, in any other industry, this would be a case of constructive dismissal
Don't like players airing the dirty laundry in public and would imagine they're in breach of some kind of social media policy but without wanting to be in the minority here, there's definitely a few managers spoken badly about in autobiographies and podcasts like Undr The Cosh that have made players train away from the main group.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 13, 2021, 10:16:10 pmQuote from: DonnyNoel on September 13, 2021, 06:35:26 pmDon't like players airing the dirty laundry in public and would imagine they're in breach of some kind of social media policy but without wanting to be in the minority here, there's definitely a few managers spoken badly about in autobiographies and podcasts like Undr The Cosh that have made players train away from the main group. The way in which the club has dealt with this has been shocking. It has hung the players out to dry. You cannot complain about players going public on "dirty washing" when the club has essentially been scapegoating them in public for a month. As Albie says, in any other industry, this would be a case of constructive dismissal 100% this.So if I have a boss who doesn't like me or thinks im not up to the job then the boss can tell me to stay at home and rot ?Feels like constructive to me I'm not sure either are good enough though in realityI’m not sure you can compare football players and contracts with other walks of life. If I underperformed at work, I would be taken to task with performance reviews etc, action plans and ultimately there are processes to sack people if attempts to address shortcomings fail. Pro football creates an environment where underperforming is essentially tolerated. I don’t believe it’s written into contracts if a player fails to fulfil their ability. I suppose it’s because footballers, in general, play ball so to speak. I don’t recall too Many occasions, if any where we have had this at rovers before. I’m sure most of us have experienced people who turn up to work and take the money by doing the bare minimum. Perhaps Bogle fits this mould. His contract protects him from being sacked without recompense. That’s why footballers live in the worlds they do. They make themselves almost un touchable. Bogle has to live with himself though. His reputation as this goes on will become more tarnished. He still takes the pay packet though. Who are the mugs here?
Quote from: DonnyNoel on September 13, 2021, 06:35:26 pmDon't like players airing the dirty laundry in public and would imagine they're in breach of some kind of social media policy but without wanting to be in the minority here, there's definitely a few managers spoken badly about in autobiographies and podcasts like Undr The Cosh that have made players train away from the main group. The way in which the club has dealt with this has been shocking. It has hung the players out to dry. You cannot complain about players going public on "dirty washing" when the club has essentially been scapegoating them in public for a month. As Albie says, in any other industry, this would be a case of constructive dismissal
Apparently Bogle was willing to go somewhere on deadline day but it all depended on another player leaving from the other club and it didn’t happen. Also, when Paul Hurst enquired about him, apparently he never heard about the enquiry.
Quote from: Pancho Regan on September 15, 2021, 09:52:50 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 15, 2021, 07:20:10 pmI'm doing my level best to keep this polite and impersonal Jonathan, but it's not easy. You're a clever lad and usually a very good poster but I assume you're having a rough couple of days because your being rather childish here.I haven't eulogised about his performance at Accrington. Grow up. I have simply said it was as competent a performance as any other player that night. Which makes it odd that (if we are simply talking football ability) he was left out of the 18 at Rotherham, while we started without a recognised striker. What had happened between the Accrington and Rotherham matches of course was that Bogle had turned down a transfer and Wellens had very publicly expressed his displeasure at that. That was my point about him being frozen out. You can by all means say he deserves it and it is a sensible decision, but to deny it has happened is simply obtuse.You’re not doing very well with your efforts to keep this impersonal BST.“Grow up”“Your (sic) being rather childish...”Sometimes you really need to hold up your hands and admit you’re wrong.Give it a try, you might find it a cathartic experience.Thanks for the advice Pancho.The "childish" comment was a direct response to someone saying I was "eulogising" Bogle's performance at Accrington and telling me I was "desperately trying to justify your stance because you cannot bring yourself to admit you’ve got this one wrong."I have a policy in here of trying never to start a personal assault. I'm the first to admit that I don't always live up to that standard. But I absolutely didn't start this one. And if someone does act childishly in starting one like this, I reserve the right to reply appropriately. It's instructive that you were fine with the poster who started the personal angle. Your call.I'm not admitting I'm wrong on this because I don't believe I am. I think the club has handled this poorly and I've seen nothing to change my mind. Other people are perfectly at liberty to disagree and if they do, that's fine. I wouldn't tell them it's a character fault that led to them disagreeing with me.
Whatever the situation and whomever is at fault, as part of it is being played out in the open it requires resolving for the benefit of the club the players and the fans.
Maybe it was back to Kidderminster Harriers that was on offer.
I agree with that Monkcaster. Moore signed him, then never played him. Bogle is a different kettle of fish. Practically zero effort when selected, apart from his first couple of games. My wife would put more effort into playing than he does and with his apparent mindset, he’s a complete waste of a shirt. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if he runs his contract down, then retires from football. If he’s as half hearted in training, there’s no way he would ever get selected. Another of Moore’s substandard signings!