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Title: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: silent majority on June 16, 2017, 02:02:48 pm
The following website explains some of the rational for doing so. It also includes discussion points that show the areas they are looking at.

www.play-fair.com

Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2017, 02:20:30 pm
I thought they were what is going to be happening, but it just looks like a series of proposals to me without anything saying whether they're going to be considered by anybody at all or not?
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on June 16, 2017, 02:26:49 pm
The following website explains some of the rational for doing so. It also includes discussion points that show the areas they are looking at.

www.play-fair.com


Fair Play by players, managers, coaches etc.?   :lol: Well there's a laugh for a start!



Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Buzzberry on June 16, 2017, 03:01:25 pm
Stricter on goalkeepers only having the ball in their hands for 6 seconds? It'll never happen .
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: silent majority on June 16, 2017, 03:19:02 pm
I thought they were what is going to be happening, but it just looks like a series of proposals to me without anything saying whether they're going to be considered by anybody at all or not?

There are some law changes but some of it is also trials and discussion points. I have a pdf document that goes into some detail but I can't get that up on here!
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: ravenrover on June 16, 2017, 08:36:21 pm
Stricter on goalkeepers only having the ball in their hands for 6 seconds? It'll never happen .
It will and you just know which team will be the 1st to suffer :crying:
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: drfchound on June 16, 2017, 09:13:11 pm
Whenever a rule like that is changed, usually for the first few weeks the refs will penalise keepers for taking too long and then it just drifts back to what has been the norm before.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: RedJ on June 16, 2017, 10:44:01 pm
Yep, like the shirt holding thing.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: drfchound on June 17, 2017, 01:07:38 pm
Exactly, that lasted about ..........how long?
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Al4475 on June 17, 2017, 06:46:20 pm
Personally I'd like to see the clock counting down and stopping every time there's a substitute, over-zealous celebrations and all those other needley little things that constitute obvious times wasting but it'll never happen I don't think!
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Bentley Bullet on June 17, 2017, 07:11:00 pm
I never understood why the rule allowing a goal-kick to be taken from either side was introduced. If it was to save time it has surely been proved to be counter-productive?
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: idler on June 17, 2017, 07:16:03 pm
Like a lot more of the rules in football. They worked fine when everybody played in a sporting manner.
Once professionalism and gamesmanship took over then rules were bent more and more.
Players,managers and coaches will nearly always stretch rules to the limit to gain an advantage.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: drfchound on June 17, 2017, 10:55:23 pm
The BBC sport website have an article on their football page about proposed rule changes.
Apologies if they are the same as in the link in the OP, it won't open for me.
The proposals include abolishing 45 minutes halves and instead "having 30 minute halves instead with the ref stopping the clock for various things, such as substitutions,free kicks and goal celebrations.
It also suggests that scoring from a rebound after a penalty save would be abolished.
Instead, if a penalty was saved the game would restart with a goal kick.
Other interesting proposals include a penalty being awarded if a keeper handles a backpass or a ball thrown to him by a team mate.
Also allowing a ref to award a goal if a ball is handled to prevent is crossing the goal line for a goal.
It is worth a read.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on June 18, 2017, 07:48:49 am
Yes, I read the above. I think we'd all feel a bit short changed and the game clock should apply to the 45 not 30!
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: acko on June 18, 2017, 08:19:21 am
 I would agree with a goal given in the case of handball on the line.Remember the Suarez incident in a world cup match,The idea of 30mins each half is ludicrious.Clock stopping maybe and thats up to a ref to inform official time keepers and same as rugby they should be the ones to end the game.Football as survived for over hundred years without too many obvious changes it does not need a radical overall just common sense and more refs controling the game not the players.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: CottyRover on June 18, 2017, 09:32:19 am
 :that:
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Donnywolf on June 18, 2017, 10:47:10 am
I thought they were what is going to be happening, but it just looks like a series of proposals to me without anything saying whether they're going to be considered by anybody at all or not?

There are some law changes but some of it is also trials and discussion points. I have a pdf document that goes into some detail but I can't get that up on here!

Cant get it up eh SM - Sounds very similar to my predicament - technophobic disfunction !
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Donnywolf on June 18, 2017, 10:48:21 am
Exactly, that lasted about ..........how long?

6 Seconds sounds about reet !
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Donnywolf on June 18, 2017, 10:58:15 am
I would agree with a goal given in the case of handball on the line.Remember the Suarez incident in a world cup match,

Anything that stops or even retards cheating is great in my book but handling on the line resulting in a goal being given is a bit bizarre

Some like Suarez are totally clear cut and I can see the merit (as above) but some hand balls may be done by a panicking defender when the ball may have (say) hit the post and if left would not have gone in. That's where my bizarre bit comes in as we would be giving goals that would not have actually been goals but because of the lack of goal line technology in the lower Divisions disallowing goals that have totally crossed the line and should have been allowed

Looks like this could get "messy"
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: weststander on June 18, 2017, 11:45:03 am
I agree 100% with pausing the clock at stoppages etc but I am not happy at the prospect of a reduction from 45 to 30 minute halves. I am no historian of the game but 45 minute halves were surely intended to give the fans 45 minutes of football in each half. Reducing the half to 30 mins does nothing to replace the time lost by cheats and time wasters in the modern game.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: albie on June 18, 2017, 06:50:07 pm
Here is the BBC summary;
Football reforms: Scrapping 45-minute half to be debated at Ifab - BBC Sport (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40311889)

It links through to the main document.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Muttley on June 18, 2017, 08:16:39 pm
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Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Susan Abbott on June 18, 2017, 08:58:08 pm
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What a load rubbish , the sheer lack of fact or proof of , that goes on on the forum is beyond fantasy or reason . For the life of me I can't don't understand why I even look at it .
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on June 18, 2017, 10:40:25 pm
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What a load rubbish , the sheer lack of fact or proof of , that goes on on the forum is beyond fantasy or reason . For the life of me I can't don't understand why I even look at it .

You've lost me....
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: drfchound on June 18, 2017, 10:48:45 pm
Exactly, that lasted about ..........how long?

6 Seconds sounds about reet !




6 seconds of shirt holding?
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Donnywolf on June 19, 2017, 09:45:09 am
My 3 (well publicised - sorry) ways of stopping time wasting and keeping the traditional 45 minutes are :

a) As soon as a goal is awarded by the Ref stop the clock

b) As soon as the Ref blows the whistle to signal a substitution stop the clock till it / or they are completed

c) If an opposition player is injured and the Ref plays on and the Oppos kick the ball out so he can be attended to WE should retain possession - having said that is what we will do to the Ref Opposition Manager and Fans via the Programme

Three big frustrating time wasting tactics "gone" at a stroke
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on June 19, 2017, 02:30:34 pm
My 3 (well publicised - sorry) ways of stopping time wasting and keeping the traditional 45 minutes are :

a) As soon as a goal is awarded by the Ref stop the clock

b) As soon as the Ref blows the whistle to signal a substitution stop the clock till it / or they are completed

c) If an opposition player is injured and the Ref plays on and the Oppos kick the ball out so he can be attended to WE should retain possession - having said that is what we will do to the Ref Opposition Manager and Fans via the Programme

Three big frustrating time wasting tactics "gone" at a stroke

I agree with all these, and shouldn't be difficult for the ref to be able to stop and start the clock, but in the heat of keeping overall control of the game it's something that might be better done by someone else.

A grey area for me is the time wasting over free kicks, goal kicks, corners, throw ins. Towards the end of a game it can become a problem, but any ref who's able to use common sense will be able to add time on as appropriate. Currently, that doesn't happen nearly enough.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Donnywolf on June 19, 2017, 04:13:21 pm
They take an age with Goal Kicks but in American Football they have the Clock on the Play - and have to snap the Ball within 30 seconds or lose possession

Everyone can see it counting down and it could be used for GK's at the least. Of course the Goalkeeper (on 3k a week) would still miss the ball rolled to him by the Ball boy to avoid touching it and starting the countdown !
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on June 19, 2017, 04:46:55 pm
Personally I'd like to see the clock counting down and stopping every time there's a substitute, over-zealous celebrations and all those other needley little things that constitute obvious times wasting but it'll never happen I don't think!

I've always thought the best way to stop stuff like that isn't to try and restore the equilibrium but to make it counterproductive to the team doing it.

ie Deliberate time-wasting? Don't just add on the same amount of time wasted, that's not punishing the team doing it - double the amount of time added on. Let's see how many teams waste time then.

Goal celebrations going on too long? Let the conceding side kick-off ten seconds after the goal has been scored regardless of whether the scoring side's players are on the pitch or not. That'd cure silly celebrations pronto.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: balbyrover on June 19, 2017, 05:32:06 pm
Stop the clock every time the ball isnt in play.
Clamp down on GKs time wasting.
Introduce lengthy bans for blatant diving.
Keep the games 45 minutes each way.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Superspy on June 19, 2017, 07:56:01 pm
Stop the clock every time the ball isnt in play.
Clamp down on GKs time wasting.
Introduce lengthy bans for blatant diving.
Keep the games 45 minutes each way.

If you stop the clock every time the ball isn't in play and keep the 45 minutes you're going to increase the overall game time to somewhere around 2.5-3 hours, or is that what you're trying to do?
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: drfchound on June 19, 2017, 09:12:54 pm
Stop the clock every time the ball isnt in play.
Clamp down on GKs time wasting.
Introduce lengthy bans for blatant diving.
Keep the games 45 minutes each way.

If you stop the clock every time the ball isn't in play and keep the 45 minutes you're going to increase the overall game time to somewhere around 2.5-3 hours, or is that what you're trying to do?



The suggestion IS to stop the clock when the ball is not in play and reduce actual playing time to 30 minutes per half which, according to a study, is about the amount of actual game time we already get.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Superspy on June 19, 2017, 09:36:41 pm
Stop the clock every time the ball isnt in play.
Clamp down on GKs time wasting.
Introduce lengthy bans for blatant diving.
Keep the games 45 minutes each way.

If you stop the clock every time the ball isn't in play and keep the 45 minutes you're going to increase the overall game time to somewhere around 2.5-3 hours, or is that what you're trying to do?



The suggestion IS to stop the clock when the ball is not in play and reduce actual playing time to 30 minutes per half which, according to a study, is about the amount of actual game time we already get.

I know - and I support it. I was referencing the fact that Balby was suggesting stopping the clock but not reducing the time per half to suit.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: drfchound on June 19, 2017, 09:42:38 pm
Stop the clock every time the ball isnt in play.
Clamp down on GKs time wasting.
Introduce lengthy bans for blatant diving.
Keep the games 45 minutes each way.

If you stop the clock every time the ball isn't in play and keep the 45 minutes you're going to increase the overall game time to somewhere around 2.5-3 hours, or is that what you're trying to do?



The suggestion IS to stop the clock when the ball is not in play and reduce actual playing time to 30 minutes per half which, according to a study, is about the amount of actual game time we already get.

I know - and I support it. I was referencing the fact that Balby was suggesting stopping the clock but not reducing the time per half to suit.




I know you know mate.
My post was also directed to Balbyrover.
Title: Re: Law changes and trials for 2017/18
Post by: Dagenham Rover on June 19, 2017, 10:16:02 pm
Stop the clock every time the ball isnt in play.
Clamp down on GKs time wasting.
Introduce lengthy bans for blatant diving.
Keep the games 45 minutes each way.

If you stop the clock every time the ball isn't in play and keep the 45 minutes you're going to increase the overall game time to somewhere around 2.5-3 hours, or is that what you're trying to do?


Now thats value for money :) and it would probably stop cheating in one foul swoop :)