Big mistake for Labour?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Stuff like this is the biggest risk to labour isn't it?  They're in a position now where they can only beat themselves just like the Tories have really.  It's now the job gets tough for them as they have to move from sniping opposition to real ideas and scrutiny.

[SydneyRover]

Stuff like this is the biggest risk to labour isn't it?  They're in a position now where they can only beat themselves just like the Tories have really.  It's now the job gets tough for them as they have to move from sniping opposition to real ideas and scrutiny.

When the government steals labour tax policies you know they are on the correct path.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Really surprised that some on the left are quite laid back by all this.

Still think this exposes the Starmer left as conniving and as manipulative as any right wing members they have been constantly pointing out.

When this fella has spent his whole leadership period trying to expose the sleaze, underhand dealings and corruption that's been demonstrated on the right he then gives a very good impression of being the exact slimeball he's constantly tried to expose.

These are all small facets of what kind of individual Starmer is that he's letting out of the bag.

The more we learn about him personally and his mode of operation, the more we see that the difference between him and people he's been fighting against and accusing as devious, underhand and untrustworthy is negligible.

He's spent an age trying to make out that he and his party will be making a difference after the GE.

He's just demonstrated to the whole country that he and his Labour party are just exactly the same as the lot who are on the way out.

What kind of a choice does the electorate have with people and parties like this?

It wont surprise me if independents do quite well in many constituencies, followed by "none of the above , their all sh*t.

Not  really sure why you needed that. You'd made your mind up on this years ago.

[Iberian Red]

Neutral!

Ha,ha.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Agreed, it's yet another demonstration of where Starmer, or his puppetmasters, are at. I saw his hustings performances, one live. He wasn't my favourite then,  but I didn't see him as the antichrist he's become. He was surprisingly weak then, and has gone downhill since,  not just weaker,  but ever more to the dark side. I fully expect blood red eyes for his election victory so each.

Will he execute order 66?

He's already done that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Mail is fascinating int it?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNVKlaBbYAAPXAL?format=jpg&name=large

Every single day for the 4 years, since this happened, they've shown f**k all interest in it.

I wonder why they are clutching their pearls and screaming how shocked (SHOCKED, ah tell thi) they are now?

[ravenrover]

And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says  doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours

[wilts rover]

And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says  doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours

It's Buckland who has said it happened. So the Lord Chancellor was a direct witness to a crime - an attempt to pervert the course of justice - but kept quite about it because it the criminal was a Tory MP.

People have resigned for a lot less than that - and what else has he covered up?

[SydneyRover]

Same in the times

[Sprotyrover]

And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says  doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours

It's Buckland who has said it happened. So the Lord Chancellor was a direct witness to a crime - an attempt to pervert the course of justice - but kept quite about it because it the criminal was a Tory MP.

People have resigned for a lot less than that - and what else has he covered up?

I have a sneaking suspicion he will have chosen his words wisely!

[ncRover]

No change to recent polls. Labour still with a +20 lead.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says  doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours

It's Buckland who has said it happened. So the Lord Chancellor was a direct witness to a crime - an attempt to pervert the course of justice - but kept quite about it because it the criminal was a Tory MP.

People have resigned for a lot less than that - and what else has he covered up?

Apparently the Tory Whips are threatening other potential defectors with the line: you've seen the shit we've thrown at Elphicke - do you want the same?

Which appears to mean "You've seen that we'll protect law breakers while they stay in the Family."

[drfchound]

And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says  doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours

It's Buckland who has said it happened. So the Lord Chancellor was a direct witness to a crime - an attempt to pervert the course of justice - but kept quite about it because it the criminal was a Tory MP.

People have resigned for a lot less than that - and what else has he covered up?

Apparently the Tory Whips are threatening other potential defectors with the line: you've seen the shit we've thrown at Elphicke - do you want the same?

Which appears to mean "You've seen that we'll protect law breakers while they stay in the Family."

Have you any evidence of that BST.

[ravenrover]

Wonder which 1, presumably of the half dozen who voted against the Govt yesterday will do the walk tomorrow, Mrs May was one of them......... she wouldn't , would she?

[Sprotyrover]

Wonder which 1, presumably of the half dozen who voted against the Govt yesterday will do the walk tomorrow, Mrs May was one of them......... she wouldn't , would she?

That would be a sad day for the Labour Party!

[ravenrover]

Even worse for Rich-ie