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selby

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Bentley Bullet

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #1 on February 28, 2021, 01:23:35 pm by Bentley Bullet »
Selby, do you mean he only preaches certain parts of the Bible?

Surely not?

selby

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #2 on February 28, 2021, 01:37:23 pm by selby »
 BB, he is just trying to get it out there what the minions think, as Talkradio says with a circulation of about only 68,000 regular reader buffoons ( which is a lot of buffoons) it is hardly rocking the boat.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2021, 01:40:22 pm by selby »

SydneyRover

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #3 on February 28, 2021, 08:49:50 pm by SydneyRover »
Talk radio, is wasn't long ago you were quoting RT, hitler started his career sucking in the dumb and the dim.

drfchound

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #4 on February 28, 2021, 09:00:12 pm by drfchound »
LoL.
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When I read that I had to do a double take at the Calendar.
Yep, it is March 1st tomorrow, not April 1st.

SydneyRover

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #5 on February 28, 2021, 09:18:38 pm by SydneyRover »
Talk radio, is wasn't long ago you were quoting RT, hitler started his career sucking in the dumb and the dim.

Just a reminder hitler started blaming Germany's problems on a particular section of society pitting friends against friends, devising plans to have them forstly removed from the country and then removed altogether, ring any bells for anyone, he then moved to control the government and the judiciary, ding dong, quite a laugh so far?

scawsby steve

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #6 on February 28, 2021, 10:23:26 pm by scawsby steve »
Sydney, why haven't you addressed the OP?

SydneyRover

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #7 on February 28, 2021, 10:37:19 pm by SydneyRover »
Because it's a statement SS

scawsby steve

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #8 on February 28, 2021, 10:50:14 pm by scawsby steve »
Because it's a statement SS

So what's your opinion on it, Sydney?

SydneyRover

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #9 on February 28, 2021, 10:53:32 pm by SydneyRover »
I think you could use your intelligence and think for yourself Steve, but I will indulge you, I want Britain to do well and I want Britons to have the best possible lives.

Not Now Kato

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #10 on February 28, 2021, 10:53:51 pm by Not Now Kato »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/28/i-hate-to-say-it-but-britains-doing-ok-even-germany-envies-us
  Bloody Hell Syd you missed it

Yes, we're ahead of Germany in rolling out Covid vaccines, and reducing our carbon footprint.  Noble achievements indeed.
 
However, Pfizer are saying the maximum time between injections shouldn't exceed six weeks whilst the government are ignoring that and ploughing ahead with twelve. Astra Zenica do however seem to think that twelve weeks is acceptable.
 
Meanwhile, for the Tory Fanboise this is from the Tory's own website, their code of conduct,

They should:

Follow the Seven Principles of Public Life established by Lord Nolan and the Committee on Standards in Public Life:

1. Selflessness – Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.
2. Integrity – Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.
3. Objectivity – Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.
4. Accountability – Holders of public office are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions and must submit themselves to the scrutiny necessary to ensure this.
5. Openness – Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for so doing.
6. Honesty – Holders of public office should be truthful.
7. Leadership – Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour.
actively promote and robustly support the principles and be willing to challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs;
lead by example to encourage and foster respect and tolerance;
treat others in a professional and straightforward manner;
act with honesty and probity and in a manner which upholds the reputation and values of the Conservative Party. Such duty is fundamental. Conduct which the public may reasonably perceive as undermining a representative’s honesty and probity is likely to diminish trust and confidence placed in them, and the Party, by the public;
not use their position to bully, abuse, victimise, harass or unlawfully discriminate against others (see further the interpretation annex);
take reasonable steps to ensure that people who wish to raise concerns about bullying, discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation by others feel able to do so, and know how to follow the complaints procedure set out in this Code;
co-operate fully with any process set down by the Party Board should a grievance process be instigated. This Code will be made publicly available on the Conservative Party website.
 
Spot any holes in their practice of these principles?
 
Here's a starter for ten....
 
George Eustice lied on Channel 4 news when he denied knowing in advance of Jan 1st that export to the EU of live molluscs would be impossible. See text from a letter he signed 10th Dec 2020 below:
 
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1365957406338002944.html
 
Then of course, there's all the cronyisms
 
https://centralbylines.co.uk/bamfords-brexit-donations-leave-more-questions-than-answers/
 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/17/world/europe/britain-covid-contracts.html
 
And then there's the Covid Death Toll!
 
Still, the Germans are envious eh?  As Jim Royle would say, MY ARSE!
 
Seems some folk on here prefer populist liars to reality!

scawsby steve

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #11 on February 28, 2021, 11:09:44 pm by scawsby steve »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/28/i-hate-to-say-it-but-britains-doing-ok-even-germany-envies-us
  Bloody Hell Syd you missed it

Yes, we're ahead of Germany in rolling out Covid vaccines, and reducing our carbon footprint.  Noble achievements indeed.
 
However, Pfizer are saying the maximum time between injections shouldn't exceed six weeks whilst the government are ignoring that and ploughing ahead with twelve. Astra Zenica do however seem to think that twelve weeks is acceptable.
 
Meanwhile, for the Tory Fanboise this is from the Tory's own website, their code of conduct,

They should:

Follow the Seven Principles of Public Life established by Lord Nolan and the Committee on Standards in Public Life:

1. Selflessness – Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.
2. Integrity – Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.
3. Objectivity – Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.
4. Accountability – Holders of public office are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions and must submit themselves to the scrutiny necessary to ensure this.
5. Openness – Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for so doing.
6. Honesty – Holders of public office should be truthful.
7. Leadership – Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour.
actively promote and robustly support the principles and be willing to challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs;
lead by example to encourage and foster respect and tolerance;
treat others in a professional and straightforward manner;
act with honesty and probity and in a manner which upholds the reputation and values of the Conservative Party. Such duty is fundamental. Conduct which the public may reasonably perceive as undermining a representative’s honesty and probity is likely to diminish trust and confidence placed in them, and the Party, by the public;
not use their position to bully, abuse, victimise, harass or unlawfully discriminate against others (see further the interpretation annex);
take reasonable steps to ensure that people who wish to raise concerns about bullying, discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation by others feel able to do so, and know how to follow the complaints procedure set out in this Code;
co-operate fully with any process set down by the Party Board should a grievance process be instigated. This Code will be made publicly available on the Conservative Party website.
 
Spot any holes in their practice of these principles?
 
Here's a starter for ten....
 
George Eustice lied on Channel 4 news when he denied knowing in advance of Jan 1st that export to the EU of live molluscs would be impossible. See text from a letter he signed 10th Dec 2020 below:
 
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1365957406338002944.html
 
Then of course, there's all the cronyisms
 
https://centralbylines.co.uk/bamfords-brexit-donations-leave-more-questions-than-answers/
 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/17/world/europe/britain-covid-contracts.html
 
And then there's the Covid Death Toll!
 
Still, the Germans are envious eh?  As Jim Royle would say, MY ARSE!
 
Seems some folk on here prefer populist liars to reality!

The Guardian, populist liars? Wow, some people on here will be disappointed with that.

SydneyRover

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #12 on February 28, 2021, 11:11:55 pm by SydneyRover »
nothingof import to say on the subject then SS?

scawsby steve

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #13 on February 28, 2021, 11:19:11 pm by scawsby steve »
nothingof import to say on the subject then SS?

Yes, it's nice to see the Guardian dropping their left wing bias for a change.

SydneyRover

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #14 on February 28, 2021, 11:24:44 pm by SydneyRover »
Bsed on a single article? I don't expect you to read it as you seem to have a lot of very fixed ideas about a lot of things but anyway Steve I'll leave it with you.

https://www.fightingfake.org.uk/media-bias

SydneyRover

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #15 on March 01, 2021, 12:53:54 am by SydneyRover »
Here's another couple of thoughts for you to digest Steve

In an Ipsos MORI research poll in September 2018 designed to interrogate the public's trust of specific titles online, The Guardian scored highest for digital-content news, with 84% of readers agreeing that they "trust what [they] see in it".[13] A December 2018 report of a poll by the Publishers Audience Measurement Company (PAMCo) stated that the paper's print edition was found to be the most trusted in the UK in the period from October 2017 to September 2018. It was also reported to be the most-read of the UK's "quality newsbrands", including digital editions; other "quality" brands included The Times, The Daily Telegraph, The Independent, and the i. While The Guardian's print circulation is in decline, the report indicated that news from The Guardian, including that reported online, reaches more than 23 million UK adults each month.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian

The bias that the Guardian runs is by dint of being bound by the Scott trust and it's support of good journalism.

Compare this to the bias of media owned by billioinaires where the aim is for profit by clicks and to influence the governent to improve the lot of its owners?

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #16 on March 01, 2021, 02:13:44 am by Bentley Bullet »
Perhaps it's just some of its readers that are biased then by only linking stories from it that suit their agendas?

SydneyRover

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Re: The Guardian
« Reply #17 on March 01, 2021, 04:05:28 am by SydneyRover »
I am amazed ............. unamazed that there are those that question a media organisation that exsists only to provide good journalism for the benefit of the majority but do not question media organisations that are run by billionaires soley for the purpose of making money and promoting benefit from the government to a smal privileged group of already rich, but there you go.

 

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