Rwanda

[Glyn_Wigley]

So far a lot has been said about this proposal but no one on here as yet to come up with an alternative. Everyone that turns up illegally cost the taxpayer money. As taxpayers money is finite what is the alternative?

Send 'em to the moon!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Johnson announced last weekend we will be sending £1m in arms and aid to Ukraine.

They have announced this inital TRIAL plan will cost c£1.5m.

Not sure myself they have their priorities right - still it will keep the racists happy.

Not sure where that £1m comes from but so far this

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ukraine-uk-pledges-another-80million-in-aid-to-help-ukraine-deal-with-humanitarian-crisis


Has been spent on Ukraine

Surely you've realised by now that what Boris promises and what Boris delivers are two very separate things.

[glosterred]

So far a lot has been said about this proposal but no one on here as yet to come up with an alternative. Everyone that turns up illegally cost the taxpayer money. As taxpayers money is finite what is the alternative?

Taxpayers money would appear not to be finite as this will be in place forever thus cost billions.

Process the applications in France is the logical think to do - but that wont keep the racists happy.

Will the French allow that?

[River Don]

Timing.

He was in need of a big destraction.

Timing wise, I thought the issuing of fixed penalty notices during eater recess was pretty obviously engineered also.

It was Jimmy Saville the last time.

Each time he reaches for something he knows will outrage.

[Sprotyrover]

Rwanda? Mali would  seem a better option, settle em on the land where our Armed forces have been training with depleted Uranium Artilley Shells!

[Donnywolf]

.... And when they get to Rwanda they get processed which will take a while ... Months at a guess

If they are accepted for assylum they then stay in Rwanda for 5 years at Tax payers expense and they get accommodation food and drink etc

That lasts for 5 years as they are trained for future employment in the UK

If they are not accepted for assylum they get returned "home," or to anywhere that will take them



So land or get landed in UK and you can look forward to 5 plus years in Rwanda .... If you are accepted

OR if you are not accepted probably 6 months in Rwanda before being kicked out

Wonder if they will be given Board games to pass the time. Snakes and Ladders would be good for them. Sure the irony would not be lost on them

[normal rules]

Whilst I personally would never liken a human being to trash, we live in a world where countries spend millions shipping their by products to far flung corners of the globe so they are out of sight.
Recycled waste for one.
Nuclear waste is another.

[tyke1962]

This is not a workable solution in my opinion .

Now whether liberals want to accept it or not we cannot take everyone who wishes to come here , our infrastructure including schools and houses doesn't stack up .

Neither can we carry on seeing successful channel crossings at the rate we are seeing and that includes migrants risking their lives in doing so .

It's high time this country had a grown up debate about this instead of both sides using it for political advantage and I'm talking here about the far right and the loony left .

There's a consensus somewhere in the middle and it's time it was heard and put in election manifestos which on the subject of immigration never happens .

 

[albie]

So far a lot has been said about this proposal but no one on here as yet to come up with an alternative. Everyone that turns up illegally cost the taxpayer money. As taxpayers money is finite what is the alternative?

Taxpayers money would appear not to be finite as this will be in place forever thus cost billions.

Process the applications in France is the logical think to do - but that wont keep the racists happy.

Will the French allow that?

Yes, the French have allowed it already...it is in their interest not to have a backlog at Calais.

I am not sure what you mean by turn up illegally.
Johnson said this, but all asylum seekers are allowed to ask for asylum when they reach their destination country.

There is a difference between the means of transport (dinghies and traffickers), and flying to the UK and presenting on arrival.

Bozo seems to be saying that if you arrive by unapproved means, then you forego your rights under international law. This is complete moonshine.

Forced deportation to a lawless country like Rwanda is a breach of the Refugee Convention the UK signed, and is a massive expense going forwards. Tory MP Andrew Mitchell said it would be cheaper to put them in the Ritz, and send the kids to Eton!

[wilts rover]

So far a lot has been said about this proposal but no one on here as yet to come up with an alternative. Everyone that turns up illegally cost the taxpayer money. As taxpayers money is finite what is the alternative?

Taxpayers money would appear not to be finite as this will be in place forever thus cost billions.

Process the applications in France is the logical think to do - but that wont keep the racists happy.

Will the French allow that?

Not so much will they allow it - they keep asking us to do it!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16901902/emmanuel-macron-asylum-seeker-processing-centre/

This isn't a plan - its a gimmick to appeal to the racists and distract from his lies and actions over unlawful gatherings in Downing Street. Like all his other gimmicks it will cost the taxpayer £millions and solve nothing.

[roversdude]

What’s the betting some Tory cronies have land in Rwanda that they are willing to rent at over inflated costs

[BobG]

Oooh... Wash your mouth out! 

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

So far a lot has been said about this proposal but no one on here as yet to come up with an alternative. Everyone that turns up illegally cost the taxpayer money. As taxpayers money is finite what is the alternative?

Taxpayers money would appear not to be finite as this will be in place forever thus cost billions.

Process the applications in France is the logical think to do - but that wont keep the racists happy.

Will the French allow that?

Not so much will they allow it - they keep asking us to do it!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16901902/emmanuel-macron-asylum-seeker-processing-centre/

This isn't a plan - its a gimmick to appeal to the racists and distract from his lies and actions over unlawful gatherings in Downing Street. Like all his other gimmicks it will cost the taxpayer £millions and solve nothing.

If it's anything like most of Patel's other neo-fascist schemes, it'll be found to be illegal in the courts.

But that is the idea. Chuck the racists some red meat, then tell them that The Elite have taken it away from them.

I've been saying for years that the Tories have f**k all to offer this country but a Culture War. This is the latest battleground.

[albie]

Borump knows he is batting on a sticky wicket, and has acted before he has the power to do so;
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/14/boris-johnson-takes-pre-emptive-shot-at-lawyers-over-rwanda-scheme

The need for cover, to distract from his wrongdoing on Partygate (and Rishigate, and the PPE scandal etc) means that he will take the hit further down the road when the courts over-rule him.

Cynical yes, .....but with big costs for those forcibly displaced into internment camps in Rwanda.
The depravity is beyond measure!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Is it THIS Rwanda that I've just heard Johnson on the radio singing the praises of, or is there another one?

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/un-human-rights-council-universal-periodic-review-adoption-rwanda

[drfchound]

So far a lot has been said about this proposal but no one on here as yet to come up with an alternative. Everyone that turns up illegally cost the taxpayer money. As taxpayers money is finite what is the alternative?

Taxpayers money would appear not to be finite as this will be in place forever thus cost billions.

Process the applications in France is the logical think to do - but that wont keep the racists happy.

Will the French allow that?

Not so much will they allow it - they keep asking us to do it!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16901902/emmanuel-macron-asylum-seeker-processing-centre/

This isn't a plan - its a gimmick to appeal to the racists and distract from his lies and actions over unlawful gatherings in Downing Street. Like all his other gimmicks it will cost the taxpayer £millions and solve nothing.

If it's anything like most of Patel's other neo-fascist schemes, it'll be found to be illegal in the courts.

But that is the idea. Chuck the racists some red meat, then tell them that The Elite have taken it away from them.

I've been saying for years that the Tories have f**k all to offer this country but a Culture War. This is the latest battleground.

“I've been saying for years”.
But of course you would, as an active Tory hater.

[BobG]

Oh for God's sake Hound.... Just once, please. take a look at what is happening right in front of you.

BobG

[i_ateallthepies]

He isn't bothered about that, Bob, only pursuing his obsession with BST.

[drfchound]

Pies, you can’t deny that he hates the Tory’s.
He spends half of every day proving it.

[drfchound]

Oh for God's sake Hound.... Just once, please. take a look at what is happening right in front of you.

BobG

Thank you Bob, for pointing out the obvious but I don’t need you to do that.
I am more than capable of seeing what is out there.

[MachoMadness]

Remember they can't find the money to help people with their energy bills. But they can find a few billion quid to ship black folk out of the country whenever they want.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Separate matters.  But, does anyone have an answer?  Does labour? Do any posters on here?  I ain't got a clue to be honest.

[drfchound]

Remember they can't find the money to help people with their energy bills. But they can find a few billion quid to ship black folk out of the country whenever they want.

Are all the immigrants black MM?
I haven’t seen anything that says that.
Genuinely.

[albie]

Pud,

Yes, there is a solution.
1) Open a centre in France to process applications, adequately staffed.
2) Deal with applications promptly.
3) Allow the 75% who succeed to cross by ferry on receiving approval.
4) Advise those who fail (after appeal if relevant) on alternatives (and support) for their situation.
5) Make sure that the criteria are fully understood in the countries of origin to prevent pointless attempts.

In a nutshell, that is it.

Trouble is, the government don't really want to sort it out, they want to use it to appeal to their base.....and deflect from their corruption.

[drfchound]

Albie, do you think that the French would allow that on their soil, given that they are more than happy for the boats to sail across the Channel and let the problem be ours.

[redwine]

No surprise to me as they like off shoring, so why not include refugees

[albie]

Hound,

Yes, the French would be very pleased....they have been asking the UK to do just this.
They are not happy with the situation in Calais, where camps of people trying to cross are located.

The problem is ours already, if people want to come here and are prepared to risk their lives to do so. As 75% have the right to stay, best to take them out of the traffickers and give them a safe route of passage.

[drfchound]

Hound,

Yes, the French would be very pleased....they have been asking the UK to do just this.
They are not happy with the situation in Calais, where camps of people trying to cross are located.

The problem is ours already, if people want to come here and are prepared to risk their lives to do so. As 75% have the right to stay, best to take them out of the traffickers and give them a safe route of passage.

Yes mate, I understand what you say in paragraph two and accept that the French would like to do away with the refugee camps in Calais but didn’t know that they have been asking the UK to arrange some kind of processing operation over there.
Cheers for that info.

[tyke1962]

Hound,

Yes, the French would be very pleased....they have been asking the UK to do just this.
They are not happy with the situation in Calais, where camps of people trying to cross are located.

The problem is ours already, if people want to come here and are prepared to risk their lives to do so. As 75% have the right to stay, best to take them out of the traffickers and give them a safe route of passage.

Yes mate, I understand what you say in paragraph two and accept that the French would like to do away with the refugee camps in Calais but didn’t know that they have been asking the UK to arrange some kind of processing operation over there.
Cheers for that info.

As ever Hound politicians try to come up with simple solutions to complex issues .

Having given this matter a bit more thought I'm fairly convinced this latest policy will over promise and under deliver .

It's unlikely Rwanda will be receiving anybody once the human rights lawyers get to work and any final ruling will probably take years to decide upon .

This country is signed up to what ever it's signed up to and reversing that is going to take time , to say the least .

Once again this subject becomes a political football .

We live in hope that a grown up debate will happen one day on this subject and put in manifestos .

Don't hold your breath mind .

[BillyStubbsTears]

"Once again this subject becomes a political football ."

The point, the whole point and nothing but the point.

This has the square root of f**k all to do with finding a solution. It's got everything to do with pandering to the dregs of society.