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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 12, 2022, 04:16:38 pmQuote from: River Don on April 12, 2022, 03:40:22 pmThe line some tory MPs are taking is they can't sack the PM in the middle of the Ukraine war.Well, we did change PM during WWII. Previously, we have seen the resignation of sitting PMs during:WWIIWWIThe Crimean WarThe Napoleonic War (x4 plus another one assassinated)The American War of Independence (x2 plus another one who died in office)In addition, Churchill was voted out as PM while WWII was still ongoing.Anthony Eden was effectively replaced during the Suez Crisis due to a nervous breakdown.It is absolute horseshit to say Johnson cannot be removed because of Ukraine. Those saying it have one of two motives.1) They are paid-up Johnson supporters.2) They know that this year is going to be horrific for people's living standards, and they know that whoever is PM is going to take a massive popularity hit. Better to leave Johnson to take the flak, then replace him if/when conditions improve so that they have a shiny new PM for the next election.I'd like to think there are enough Tory MPs with moral standards and a backbone to do the right thing. But I'm not convinced.Iraq - Saddam invaded Kuwait on 2nd August - Thatcher announced her resignation on 22nd November and Major took over on 28th November
Quote from: River Don on April 12, 2022, 03:40:22 pmThe line some tory MPs are taking is they can't sack the PM in the middle of the Ukraine war.Well, we did change PM during WWII. Previously, we have seen the resignation of sitting PMs during:WWIIWWIThe Crimean WarThe Napoleonic War (x4 plus another one assassinated)The American War of Independence (x2 plus another one who died in office)In addition, Churchill was voted out as PM while WWII was still ongoing.Anthony Eden was effectively replaced during the Suez Crisis due to a nervous breakdown.It is absolute horseshit to say Johnson cannot be removed because of Ukraine. Those saying it have one of two motives.1) They are paid-up Johnson supporters.2) They know that this year is going to be horrific for people's living standards, and they know that whoever is PM is going to take a massive popularity hit. Better to leave Johnson to take the flak, then replace him if/when conditions improve so that they have a shiny new PM for the next election.I'd like to think there are enough Tory MPs with moral standards and a backbone to do the right thing. But I'm not convinced.
The line some tory MPs are taking is they can't sack the PM in the middle of the Ukraine war.Well, we did change PM during WWII.
Here's another Tory MP sacrificing his dignity for Johnson. That other ridiculously coiffured blonde, Michael Fabricant."I don’t think that at any time [Johnson] thought that he was breaking the law. I think that at the time he thought, just like many teachers and nurses who after a very, very long shift would tend to go back to the staff room and have a quiet drink - which is more or less what he has done - but I don’t think he thought he was breaking the law."You can see the concept. They've lied to the public for years and treated ordinary voters as if they are too thick to realise. And STILL 35% of voters say they support them. Why not go all-in?
This is astonishing.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.37% of Leave voters similar.39% of pensioners similar.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?
Here's another Tory MP sacrificing his dignity for Johnson. That other ridiculously coiffured blonde, Michael Fabricant."I don’t think that at any time [Johnson] thought that he was breaking the law. I think that at the time he thought, just like many teachers and nurses who after a very, very long shift would tend to go back to the staff room and have a quiet drink - which is more or less what he has done - but I don’t think he thought he was breaking the law."You can see the concept. They've lied to the public for years and treated ordinary voters as if they are too thick to realise. And STILL 35% of voters say they support them. Why not go all-in?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587This is astonishing.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.37% of Leave voters similar.39% of pensioners similar.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality. A covert Tory campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.BobG
Quote from: BobG on April 12, 2022, 06:02:24 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587This is astonishing.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.37% of Leave voters similar.39% of pensioners similar.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality. A covert Tory campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.BobGI think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 12, 2022, 03:59:28 pmHere's another Tory MP sacrificing his dignity for Johnson. That other ridiculously coiffured blonde, Michael Fabricant."I don’t think that at any time [Johnson] thought that he was breaking the law. I think that at the time he thought, just like many teachers and nurses who after a very, very long shift would tend to go back to the staff room and have a quiet drink - which is more or less what he has done - but I don’t think he thought he was breaking the law."You can see the concept. They've lied to the public for years and treated ordinary voters as if they are too thick to realise. And STILL 35% of voters say they support them. Why not go all-in?Teachers and nurses having a quiet one at work????Complete f**kwit - clearly he hasn’t been in a hospital or school for decades.
Quote from: danumdon on April 12, 2022, 07:03:13 pmQuote from: BobG on April 12, 2022, 06:02:24 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587This is astonishing.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.37% of Leave voters similar.39% of pensioners similar.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality. A covert Tory campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.BobGI think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?Whilst I don't think Starmer is exactly all that by any means your analysis fails to acknowledge a number of things .The people who have absolutely no interest in politics .The people who are totally disenfranchised from the two main political party's .The FPTP voting system , Labour won 150 seats on just over 30% of the vote , second Blair win I believe , could be wrong mind .
Sorry just to clarify that was aimed at Bono
Quote from: roversdude on April 12, 2022, 07:50:33 pmSorry just to clarify that was aimed at Bono A bit close to the edge there.
Oh that's all right then.BobG
Quote from: danumdon on April 12, 2022, 07:03:13 pmQuote from: BobG on April 12, 2022, 06:02:24 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587This is astonishing.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.37% of Leave voters similar.39% of pensioners similar.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality. A covert Tory campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.BobGI think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?Alternatively, what does it say about over-55s?
Quote from: BobG on April 12, 2022, 08:30:11 pmOh that's all right then.BobGI'm not saying that. My previous posts make it clear I think they should resign. My point was about whether Sunak would break rank and resign, however that clearly won't be happening in the immediate future.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 12, 2022, 08:37:29 pmQuote from: danumdon on April 12, 2022, 07:03:13 pmQuote from: BobG on April 12, 2022, 06:02:24 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587This is astonishing.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.37% of Leave voters similar.39% of pensioners similar.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality. A covert Tory campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.BobGI think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?Alternatively, what does it say about over-55s?I don’t know, why don’t you ask them, they are after all the ones who bother to vote so they tend to get their wishes.
I think they will only be moving on to the next one. The police appear to be rolling out these fines on an event-by-event basis. Last week's fines were for a leaving do, today's for Johnson's birthday party. How many were they looking into in total 12-18 something like that? Only one way this wont be in the news for a while yet.