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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Retdon1 on October 25, 2019, 09:45:46 am
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Anyone else heard his interview today where he speaks about our “game”. Says he believes Bolton shouldn’t be punished as the people responsible for calling the game off are no longer involved at the club. He says it will be very very harsh if they get punished but thinks that they will.
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Keth Hill lost his marbles ages ago when he was Barnsley manager
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Anyone else heard his interview today where he speaks about our “game”. Says he believes Bolton shouldn’t be punished as the people responsible for calling the game off are no longer involved at the club. He says it will be very very harsh if they get punished but thinks that they will.
It should make no difference - and to me was an open and shut case. Bolton (the Club) opted to try to save further demoralising defeats by calling off a scheduled game without consent
They should have immediately been told to play or forfeit three points (whoever their opponents were i.e. I am trying to be objective). They were not
After the (non) event they should have immediately been punished by whatever sanction the EFL decided and 3 points awarded to us
Becasue neither of those happened I am sure that Hill will be wrong - and whilst they may get further Points deducted* the Game will ultimately be replayed at some stage
How ironic if they were docked 3 Points and ordered to replay the fixture !
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Shouldn't be punished because they aren't involved at the club? Is he completely off his tits? On that logic then if we decide we don't want to play a game we can just employ somebody at the club to call off a match and then sack them straight after.
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Anyone else heard his interview today where he speaks about our “game”. Says he believes Bolton shouldn’t be punished as the people responsible for calling the game off are no longer involved at the club. He says it will be very very harsh if they get punished but thinks that they will.
It should make no difference - and to me was an open and shut case. Bolton (the Club) opted to try to save further demoralising defeats by calling off a scheduled game without consent
They should have immediately been told to play or forfeit three points (whoever their opponents were i.e. I am trying to be objective). They were not
After the (non) event they should have immediately been punished by whatever sanction the EFL decided and 3 points awarded to us
Becasue neither of those happened I am sure that Hill will be wrong - and whilst they may get further Points deducted* the Game will ultimately be replayed at some stage
How ironic if they were docked 3 Points and ordered to replay the fixture !
Thing is - even if we have to play the game again - I can't see BWFC avoiding a further points deduction. At the moment they are 19 points adrift from safety and have only 31/32 games to correct that. If they are deducted another 3/6/9 points, they are 99% relegated - let's face it they have only won 1 game in 12 to date. It seems to me that the EFL should award the game/points to Rovers now - give BWFC the points deduction that is coming to them and move on.
The fact that they have dithered has made the issue worse.
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Just out of interest does anyone know how many, if any, of the precious youngsters who couldn't play two games in seven days are still in the team and playing regularly?
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Yes, I’ve had a listen.
Absolutely no good grace at all. Bolton unilaterally call of the match so must face the consequences.
The rules are clear and I just don’t understand the delay.
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Anyone else heard his interview today where he speaks about our “game”. Says he believes Bolton shouldn’t be punished as the people responsible for calling the game off are no longer involved at the club. He says it will be very very harsh if they get punished but thinks that they will.
He could by that train of thought say that they shouldn’t have any points deduction as those who brought it about are no longer involved .😂
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The game was called off only to make Bolton a more viable asset, coupled with the fact they wouldn’t have had to pay any appearance fees. It had nothing whatsoever to do with player welfare. The same youngsters (who have no blame attached to them btw) managed to play Saturday and Tuesday as the takeover happened.
Bolton should have been punished immediately and points forfeited, the EFL need to look at themselves and get it sorted, it didn’t need an independent review it was blatant disregard and disrespect of the rules and Rovers......rant over
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So it looks likely that they will be docked three points for failing to turn up, but with a chance of getting the deducted points back by winning the rearranged game.
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Shouldn't be punished because they aren't involved at the club? Is he completely off his tits? On that logic then if we decide we don't want to play a game we can just employ somebody at the club to call off a match and then sack them straight after.
As a caring (and award winning) family Club - with high moral standards- that would not happen here
We would have to wait till someone was voluntarily leaving and THEN get them to call off the game. Fine way to do it morally - and no law suits afterwards
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Anyone else heard his interview today where he speaks about our “game”. Says he believes Bolton shouldn’t be punished as the people responsible for calling the game off are no longer involved at the club. He says it will be very very harsh if they get punished but thinks that they will.
It should make no difference - and to me was an open and shut case. Bolton (the Club) opted to try to save further demoralising defeats by calling off a scheduled game without consent
They should have immediately been told to play or forfeit three points (whoever their opponents were i.e. I am trying to be objective). They were not
After the (non) event they should have immediately been punished by whatever sanction the EFL decided and 3 points awarded to us
Becasue neither of those happened I am sure that Hill will be wrong - and whilst they may get further Points deducted* the Game will ultimately be replayed at some stage
How ironic if they were docked 3 Points and ordered to replay the fixture !
Thing is - even if we have to play the game again - I can't see BWFC avoiding a further points deduction. At the moment they are 19 points adrift from safety and have only 31/32 games to correct that. If they are deducted another 3/6/9 points, they are 99% relegated - let's face it they have only won 1 game in 12 to date. It seems to me that the EFL should award the game/points to Rovers now - give BWFC the points deduction that is coming to them and move on.
The fact that they have dithered has made the issue worse.
We all know what the EFL should do, but what they will do, well that’s as clear as Brexit is. :facepalm:
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If the game is to be played then Bolton should not be able to use any players that have been signed after the date of the original game.
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Bolton Wanderers FC broke the rules = Bolton Wanderers FC get punished.
Whoever was running the club at the time is totally irrelevant.
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Do they still have a punishment pending for failing to play their last two games of last season?
They EFL made a big mistake in letting them start the season they should have had the same treatment as Bury and only started once the takeover was complete.
You can argue any team that played them in the first few games had an advantage over teams that may only be playing them now. The EFL have handled the whole situation poorly.
It doesn't matter who was in charge when Bolton called the game off without permission, clubs cannot be allowed to do this, if Bolton aren't punished it sets a dangerous precident.
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there is a legal term called "restitution" out there ---- financially it is about putting the claimant in the same financial situation just before the "event " (affecting him) happened
adapting the above and using the term restitution
in this case Bolton players signed after the date of the cancelled match should not be allowed to play for the restitution to take place. Lawyers should know this word.
that is if Rovers not being given a 3-0 win & 3 points then we want restitution as a second option.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/it-would-be-very-very-unfair-punish-current-football-club-bolton-manager-keith-hill-has-his-say-cancelled-doncaster-rovers-game-819796
The DFP article also confirms DRFC's current stance.
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The man’s an idiot! What a stupid argument.
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To be fair he can’t really say anything other than he has he is not going to come out and say give them the point
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There is a key word in KH statement, when he says the those responsible for the cancellation are no longer at the club, he provisos that statement with “probably”, which means they may well still be there. Covering his basis with that statement.
COYR
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His argument has no basis in logic. Acting like the current Bolton is a different club when of course it isn't, if it were they wouldn't still be in League One at the moment.
I maintain that the most likely outcome of this whole thing is that the game is replayed and Bolton are deducted 6 points (for this and the Brentford game being cancelled). I'm fine with that if the rearranged fixture takes place before January but the longer they drag this on the more unlikely that seems, which isn't fair on us having to play them twice after they've had a transfer window to fix their squad.
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His argument has no basis in logic. Acting like the current Bolton is a different club when of course it isn't, if it were they wouldn't still be in League One at the moment.
I maintain that the most likely outcome of this whole thing is that the game is replayed and Bolton are deducted 6 points (for this and the Brentford game being cancelled). I'm fine with that if the rearranged fixture takes place before January but the longer they drag this on the more unlikely that seems, which isn't fair on us having to play them twice after they've had a transfer window to fix their squad.
You're right and they will be punished. A different question is whether the EFL believe whether a well run club who abides by the rules should be compensated for Bolton failing to fulfil the fixture and their behaviour in inconveniencing our club, our fans and the EFL themselves.
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I don't get why they keep insisting the game was postponed. It wasn't they unilaterally canceled it. This has gone on for far too long, it should have been dealt with at the time. Just give us the points and at least 3 goals, deduct them a further 3 points and move on. Simples.
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I don't get why they keep insisting the game was postponed. It wasn't they unilaterally canceled it. This has gone on for far too long, it should have been dealt with at the time. Just give us the points and at least 3 goals, deduct them a further 3 points and move on. Simples.
Wish it was that simple in EFL’s eyes. Obviously it isn’t. Think they think if they ignore it then their problem will go away. All they are doing is creating a bigger problem by not dealing with it.
Shambles total shambles.
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It makes me wonder if they're waiting till towards the end of the season to make their decision, with the hope we'll be in a mid-table position and therefore meaning any points deduction/allowance will be more trivial in the scheme of things.
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It makes me wonder if they're waiting till towards the end of the season to make their decision, with the hope we'll be in a mid-table position and therefore meaning any points deduction/allowance will be more trivial in the scheme of things.
If that’s the case then it’s a misjudgement by the EFL. Making those sort of assumptions is a really professional way to run the league.
Again Shambles.
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He's towing the club line and i'm guessing this is what is being put to the EFL by those now at the club.
If the EFL had been decisive and delt with this as it should have been done there and then e.g. 3 points and 5-0 win to rovers then that would prevent this debate continuing.
The EFL are not fit for purpose, its as simple as that
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I don’t care if Bolton get punished or not, as long as we get three points for the game being forfeit..
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If we were going to be awarded the points then we would *have already imo.
*changed “of” to “have” thanks to the English lesson from Filo.
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If we were going to be awarded the points then we would of already imo.
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Have*
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Does anybody else think the decision may only be given once neither team has anything to gain or loose. This way it could be a win win situation.
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That would likely not be until the final week or two of the season, there is no way they can leave it that long. You would think.
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Does anybody else think the decision may only be given once neither team has anything to gain or loose. This way it could be a win win situation.
I really don’t know what’s taking so long to sort out, they have broke rules and it should be an easy decision for the EFL.
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It's probably a case of all football league clubs are equal, but some are more equal than others.
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They may be waiting until Bolton's fate this season is clearer. If they get relegated with the existing points penalties then another points deduction on top would have no effect. EFL may want to levy the penalty on them next season.
It's totally unacceptable them not making a ruling on the cancelled game though. It needs playing before the end of the year to prevent advantage to Bolton.
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With the Tranmere game now being under threat due to the weather it is becoming more important than ever to either give us the points OR rearrange the Bolton game to be played ASAP before Christmas while there are still some Tuesdays available.
There is a potential fixture pile up for us looming through no fault of our own.
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Anyone else heard his interview today where he speaks about our “game”. Says he believes Bolton shouldn’t be punished as the people responsible for calling the game off are no longer involved at the club. He says it will be very very harsh if they get punished but thinks that they will.
It should make no difference - and to me was an open and shut case. Bolton (the Club) opted to try to save further demoralising defeats by calling off a scheduled game without consent
They should have immediately been told to play or forfeit three points (whoever their opponents were i.e. I am trying to be objective). They were not
After the (non) event they should have immediately been punished by whatever sanction the EFL decided and 3 points awarded to us
Becasue neither of those happened I am sure that Hill will be wrong - and whilst they may get further Points deducted* the Game will ultimately be replayed at some stage
How ironic if they were docked 3 Points and ordered to replay the fixture !
but it wasn't the coaching team that wanted it off, well it was but it was there medical team as well
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If we were going to be awarded the points then we would of already imo.
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Grammar police! Are you YAURS in disguise?
COYR
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If we were going to be awarded the points then we would of already imo.
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Grammar police! Are you YAURS in disguise?
COYR
Does anybody else think the decision may only be given once neither team has anything to gain or loose. This way it could be a win win situation.
I really don’t know what’s taking so long to sort out, they have broke rules and it should be an easy decision for the EFL.
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Mmmmmm, better not mention “have broke rules then”. :chair: :chair: :chair:
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Other outside influences ( namely other clubs in our division) know there is no written down procedure for the situation, and have made their feelings known that they object to us being awarded the points. Lincoln City, in the guise of the lad that used to work for us, made their stance known very quickly after the game was cancelled.
As the league positions stand, at least half the sides in the division have a vested interest in us not being awarded the points from the game.
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Other clubs have no right to claim anything as they were not scheduled to play Bolton that night and were not directly affected.
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Other clubs have no right to claim anything as they were not scheduled to play Bolton that night and were not directly affected.
Exactly.. if all that happens is a points deduction penalty for Bolton then the net effect to all other clubs is the same, yet it was DRFC who were wronged.
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If it happened to them they would be shouting from the highest tree to get the points, but Bolton WILL be protected
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Does anyone know if the EFL have a facility for the public to ask about scenarios such as this- I doubt it. I am thinking on the lines of a sort of freedom of information thing?
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Does anyone know if the EFL have a facility for the public to ask about scenarios such as this- I doubt it. I am thinking on the lines of a sort of freedom of information thing?
Politics .. Bolton threatening perhaps to take the EFL to court over player health and safety as this was the reason given by Bolton. Any punishment given out that compromises any chance of them staying in L1 ie a 12 points deduction will be deemed as unwarranted and could well be overturned under appeal . A compromise will be needed to appease Bolton’s chance of appealing any undue punishment that could result in their relegation to L2 and Rovers will be given score draw and one point each . IMO
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It’s all conjecture but a score draw is highly unlikely to be awarded..
The only result that can be awarded is a win for us, otherwise we may as well play the game.!
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If Bolton get a really good Barrister they might get the points deduction overturned and get twelve points added to compensate them for the stress that the situation has caused them.
(TICE).
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Any problems Bolton have had are of their own making. No-one else is to blame. They should be glad they are still in League One. What a bunch of whingers.
If Doncaster are awarded 3 points and even given 5 goals against them they still are lucky and got a lot to be grateful for. They want it all.
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Does anyone know if the EFL have a facility for the public to ask about scenarios such as this- I doubt it. I am thinking on the lines of a sort of freedom of information thing?
Politics .. Bolton threatening perhaps to take the EFL to court over player health and safety as this was the reason given by Bolton. Any punishment given out that compromises any chance of them staying in L1 ie a 12 points deduction will be deemed as unwarranted and could well be overturned under appeal . A compromise will be needed to appease Bolton’s chance of appealing any undue punishment that could result in their relegation to L2 and Rovers will be given score draw and one point each . IMO
And only a score draw would disadvantage Rovers when other clubs had 3 points and a 5 goal advantage. Any adjudication needs to go against Bolton as they created the problem.
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Get Boris to run the EFL, if brexit bill only needs 3 days to sort out, then ithis should be sorted in 30 seconds!
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Right then, Lincoln Vs Bolton might be called off tomorrow, as Well as Tranmere Vs Doncaster Rovers. So, The Bolton coach can stop off at the Keepmoat and we can play “that game” and we will probably still put the sprinklers on at half time.
(I know that we were supposed to be at Bolton but I’m sure that the EFL can be flexible). Simples.
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Lincolns off, bolton fans on twitter giving it the usual tin pot b*llocks. Surely the tin pot club is the one who doesn't pay their players wages amd has a 12 points (so far) deduction, rather than playing in a town where its rained for two days straight?
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Lincolns off, bolton fans on twitter giving it the usual tin pot b*llocks. Surely the tin pot club is the one who doesn't pay their players wages amd has a 12 points (so far) deduction, rather than playing in a town where its rained for two days straight?
That and the fact they're complaining because another team's done them out of playing a game.
Bolton seemingly an irony-free zone.
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Just out of interest does anyone know how many, if any, of the precious youngsters who couldn't play two games in seven days are still in the team and playing regularly?
Lineups before and after our unplayed game, and the last two lineups. Numbers are their ages at the time.
v Tranmere 17 Aug
25 Matthews
20 Brockbank
27 Lowe
21 Zouma
17 White
Substituted for 18 Boon at 68'minutes
17 King-Harmes
Substituted for 17 Brown-Sterling at 75'minutes
17 Graham
29 Murphy
24 Weir
18 Brown
Substituted for 16 Riley at 88' minutes
18 Darcy
v Ipswich 24 Aug
25 Matthews
20 Brockbank
27 Lowe
21 Zouma
17 White
Substituted for 18 Boon at 68'minutes
17 Graham
Substituted for 16 Hurford-Lockett at 45'minutes
29 Murphy
17 King-Harmes
24 Weir
18 Darcy
17 Brown-Sterling
Substituted for 18 Brown at 85'
v Rochdale 19 Oct
25 Matthews
22 Emmanuel
17 Senior
21 Zouma
28 Chicksen
28 Lowe
19 Politic
Substituted for 24 Dodoo at 45'minutes
28 Crawford
Substituted for 33 O'Gradyat 80'minutes
17 Graham
Substituted for 29 Murphy at 69'minutes
20 Verlinden
36 Murphy
v Bristol Rovers 22 Oct
25 Matthews
22 Emmanuel
21 Zouma
19 Earl
28 Chicksen
29 Murphy
28 Lowe
24 Dodoo
28 Crawford
33 O'Grady
36 Murphy
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I imagine we just cannot find a suitable date ...and why should we !
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I hope we absolutely do a Southend on them if we’re forced to play them.
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Be assured, GB has got all the evidence and facts to support our case, including the ages of players and previous precedents. Whether the EFL will also take into account the permission they gave Bolton to sign players on short term contracts I don't know but they should do. The point being the playing of youth players was avoidable anyway!
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Hill is a Kitson. I recall when there were strong rumours linking SOD with the Sheff U job and Hill was Barnsley manager at the time. He has his say on the matter more or less saying he should go when clearly it was none of his business.
Tosser
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Right then, Lincoln Vs Bolton might be called off tomorrow, as Well as Tranmere Vs Doncaster Rovers. So, The Bolton coach can stop off at the Keepmoat and we can play “that game” and we will probably still put the sprinklers on at half time.
(I know that we were supposed to be at Bolton but I’m sure that the EFL can be flexible). Simples.
That’s what I wrote last night and I was right, apparently the Bolton fans were furious so maybe stopping off at the Keepmoat was a good idea.
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Just out of interest does anyone know how many, if any, of the precious youngsters who couldn't play two games in seven days are still in the team and playing regularly?
Lineups before and after our unplayed game, and the last two lineups. Numbers are their ages at the time.
v Tranmere 17 Aug
25 Matthews
20 Brockbank
27 Lowe
21 Zouma
17 White
Substituted for 18 Boon at 68'minutes
17 King-Harmes
Substituted for 17 Brown-Sterling at 75'minutes
17 Graham
29 Murphy
24 Weir
18 Brown
Substituted for 16 Riley at 88' minutes
18 Darcy
v Ipswich 24 Aug
25 Matthews
20 Brockbank
27 Lowe
21 Zouma
17 White
Substituted for 18 Boon at 68'minutes
17 Graham
Substituted for 16 Hurford-Lockett at 45'minutes
29 Murphy
17 King-Harmes
24 Weir
18 Darcy
17 Brown-Sterling
Substituted for 18 Brown at 85'
v Rochdale 19 Oct
25 Matthews
22 Emmanuel
17 Senior
21 Zouma
28 Chicksen
28 Lowe
19 Politic
Substituted for 24 Dodoo at 45'minutes
28 Crawford
Substituted for 33 O'Gradyat 80'minutes
17 Graham
Substituted for 29 Murphy at 69'minutes
20 Verlinden
36 Murphy
v Bristol Rovers 22 Oct
25 Matthews
22 Emmanuel
21 Zouma
19 Earl
28 Chicksen
29 Murphy
28 Lowe
24 Dodoo
28 Crawford
33 O'Grady
36 Murphy
thanks, makes interesting reading
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https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17996199.bolton-wanderers-fans-left-high-dry-lincoln-postponement/
Interesting comments from the Bolton press about our game. I seem to recall something suggesting Bolton's disciplinary will be heard by the end of the month, so hopefully we'll hear something by the end of this week.
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https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17996199.bolton-wanderers-fans-left-high-dry-lincoln-postponement/
Interesting comments from the Bolton press about our game. I seem to recall something suggesting Bolton's disciplinary will be heard by the end of the month, so hopefully we'll hear something by the end of this week.
Just seen 3 pigs fly over Campsall. :headbang:
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I’m sure Chelsea’s young squad shouldn’t be playing 3 times a week, including Champions League games. Bolton should man up, adnit they were out of order and forfeit the game
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Be assured, GB has got all the evidence and facts to support our case, including the ages of players and previous precedents. Whether the EFL will also take into account the permission they gave Bolton to sign players on short term contracts I don't know but they should do. The point being the playing of youth players was avoidable anyway!
Two previous precedents- Scunthorpe vs. Exeter City 1974. Exeter refused to travel after unsuccessfully requesting a postponement due to injuries. Scunthorpe awarded two points for the win and Exeter fined.
Bolton vs. Brentford 2019. Bolton unable to fulfil the fixture due to their players having gone on strike. Brentford awarded a notional 1-0 victory. Other sanctions still under consideration.
On precedent, I'd say we have a strong case.
PS: There is also Blackburn Rovers vs. Middlesbrough in 1996-97 when Middlesbrough refused to travel due to illness and injuries. They were docked three points but the game was subsequently played. However, that was under the jurisdiction of the Premier League, not the Football League/ EFL.
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Be assured, GB has got all the evidence and facts to support our case, including the ages of players and previous precedents. Whether the EFL will also take into account the permission they gave Bolton to sign players on short term contracts I don't know but they should do. The point being the playing of youth players was avoidable anyway!
Two previous precedents- Scunthorpe vs. Exeter City 1974. Exeter refused to travel after unsuccessfully requesting a postponement due to injuries. Scunthorpe awarded two points for the win and Exeter fined.
Bolton vs. Brentford 2019. Bolton unable to fulfil the fixture due to their players having gone on strike. Brentford awarded a notional 1-0 victory. Other sanctions still under consideration.
On precedent, I'd say we have a strong case.
PS: There is also Blackburn Rovers vs. Middlesbrough in 1996-97 when Middlesbrough refused to travel due to illness and injuries. They were docked three points but the game was subsequently played. However, that was under the jurisdiction of the Premier League, not the Football League/ EFL.
It should be cut and dried.
I seriously can’t think of anything that Bolton can come up with that vindicates their actions.
They refused to play without getting permission. That’s what they did. 3 points to the opponents and a points deduction & or fine to Bolton.
On what grounds, i would like to know could the EFL come up with any other decision.
Someone please tell me what would justify any other decision.
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Be assured, GB has got all the evidence and facts to support our case, including the ages of players and previous precedents. Whether the EFL will also take into account the permission they gave Bolton to sign players on short term contracts I don't know but they should do. The point being the playing of youth players was avoidable anyway!
Two previous precedents- Scunthorpe vs. Exeter City 1974. Exeter refused to travel after unsuccessfully requesting a postponement due to injuries. Scunthorpe awarded two points for the win and Exeter fined.
Bolton vs. Brentford 2019. Bolton unable to fulfil the fixture due to their players having gone on strike. Brentford awarded a notional 1-0 victory. Other sanctions still under consideration.
On precedent, I'd say we have a strong case.
PS: There is also Blackburn Rovers vs. Middlesbrough in 1996-97 when Middlesbrough refused to travel due to illness and injuries. They were docked three points but the game was subsequently played. However, that was under the jurisdiction of the Premier League, not the Football League/ EFL.
It should be cut and dried.
I seriously can’t think of anything that Bolton can come up with that vindicates their actions.
They refused to play without getting permission. That’s what they did. 3 points to the opponents and a points deduction & or fine to Bolton.
On what grounds, i would like to know could the EFL come up with any other decision.
Someone please tell me what would justify any other decision.
Sod's law. It always goes against us.
Seriously though, I think all the other clubs' chairmen will be the sticking point in this matter. I agree it's a disgrace, but we will have to play this fixture.
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It’s nothing to do with the other clubs though..
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Well, having tried to understand the role of the independant disciplinary Commission, it states they will determine what sanctions will apply to Bolton. They also have the power to impose fines and compensation to 3rd parties. That Judgement is subject to appeal within 14 days. The EFL applies the judgement and collects the fines.
However, The EFL also has the power to apply sanctions in cases where the Disciplinary Commission is not needed (I.e. When the misconduct is not contested. Like the recent case where Liverpool were sanctioned for fielding an ineligible player in the Carabo cup)
What is not entirely clear, is which body would determine whether the points should be awarded to us. I'm assuming the Disciplinary Commission will but don't quote me on that!
I suspect Bolton will present the medical reports about player welfare to the commission as mitigating circumstances however, we need to hope the EFL when presenting their case to the commission challenge this due to the ages of their players before and after our game, plus the permission they gave Bolton to sign players to avoid this situation.
If the Commission accept Bolton's mitigating circumstances, then I expect they may just receive a fine and be ordered to pay compensation to us. It would be up to us then, to challenge the outcome via the EFL if we feel the outcome does not serve justice to ourselves by not awarding us the points.
The final outcome will not be the EFL's decision however, there needs to be questions asked of the EFL about how the whole situation has been handled.
Edit: Just a reminder that the Disciplinary Commission is appointed by the FA NOT the EFL
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https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17996199.bolton-wanderers-fans-left-high-dry-lincoln-postponement/
Interesting comments from the Bolton press about our game. I seem to recall something suggesting Bolton's disciplinary will be heard by the end of the month, so hopefully we'll hear something by the end of this week.
Just seen 3 pigs fly over Campsall. :headbang:
they weren't pigs ther were pink elephants Campsall mate
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The Police helicopter's just flown over Bentley on its way back.
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Bolton unilaterally cancelled the fixture. They did not apply to have it postponed or rescheduled. It was a wanton act of refusal and defiance of the constitution. There is no other fair resolution that acts as a deterrent other than forfeiture of the fixture plus a punitive punishment.
To replay the fixture justifies their anarchic behaviour. It rewards them because it gives them a puncher's chance as the original situation cannot be replicated.
Bearing in mind several clubs benefited from the chaotic situation that existed when the season began and that there is still a strong chance Bolton will be relegated before any further punishment is added, perhaps Bolton should simply be relegated this season as a matter of course, allow the team to fulfil its fixtures so as to maintain a semblance of cash flow but all results expunged from the records. That way at least all the other 22 clubs are treated fairly and equally.
Sympathies should lie with the 22, not with Bolton. They are a basket case club, sadly.
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The welfare of the players argument doesn’t hold water as they all played 2 games in a week as Bolton were taken over, this despite the fact that they had a raft of new signings.
Utter joke
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I agree with you guys however, I am concerned the FA Commission will cave in to the thought of potentially having to fight a legal case from Bolton without properly taking into account all the actual facts and events as they unfolded at the time. You know Bolton will rely on the welfare issue for their defence. The FA won't want to be accused of dismissing the welfare of it's young players.
As for the EFL, they need to be careful. They have been accused of not doing enough to save Bury, yet we could question whether they have been too lenient with Bolton.
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The EFL could end up with an absolute birds nest of an issue, whichever way they go. They set their rules and then when someone decides to flagrantly disregard them, and make their own up, they have to be seen to do something. Docking Bolton points, then making us replay the game, is potentially giving Bolton an opportunity to get some, or all, of the points back - how can that be right?
They certainly didn’t help us, in the 90’s, so why bend over backwards for another club?
Anyway, we’ve discussed this to death!
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The issue is simple in reality.
Did Bolton apply to the EFL to have the game postponed? The answer, obviously is no.
Did Bolton, at any time from opening day until the unilateral decision to postpone and not discuss with the other club involved, or the officials in charge, or contact the EFL to even suggest that there was an issue with the age profile of the squad and that an imminent postponement was likely?
Why did they cancel this specific fixture and none of the others?
We're they not allowed to start the season before giving a specific undertaking they could fulfil their fixtures at L1 level?
Have they shown any contrition for their action?
Having only a squad of 12-year-olds would not mitigate failing to inform the EFL nor seeking permission to postpone. Failure to behave professionally and courteously to a fellow member club and its fans is the issue, not players' ages.
There is nothing in the above that can possibly justify rearranging the fixture without bringing the game further into disrepute. It was not postponed, it was cancelled.
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The issue is simple in reality.
Did Bolton apply to the EFL to have the game postponed? The answer, obviously is no.
Did Bolton, at any time from opening day until the unilateral decision to postpone and not discuss with the other club involved, or the officials in charge, or contact the EFL to even suggest that there was an issue with the age profile of the squad and that an imminent postponement was likely?
Why did they cancel this specific fixture and none of the others?
We're they not allowed to start the season before giving a specific undertaking they could fulfil their fixtures at L1 level?
Have they shown any contrition for their action?
Having only a squad of 12-year-olds would not mitigate failing to inform the EFL nor seeking permission to postpone. Failure to behave professionally and courteously to a fellow member club and its fans is the issue, not players' ages.
There is nothing in the above that can possibly justify rearranging the fixture without bringing the game further into disrepute. It was not postponed, it was cancelled.
They did attempt to get the Tranmere game postponed too. See article below
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17845035.bolton-boss-praises-gutsy-youngsters-despite-tranmere-defeat/
That was published 19 Aug, the day before our game. Later that day they pulled the plug.
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And again, so concerned about player welfare that all the new signings were rested, Bolton choosing to play the kids - I believe they were also cleared to make short term signings earlier in the window
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Well, Parkinson said in a later interview that he contacted the EFL on either the Thursday or Friday before the Tranmere game to ask that question. It's not clear whether this was in the same correspondence in which he requested the postponement. I assume the EFL have the evidence.
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https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17996199.bolton-wanderers-fans-left-high-dry-lincoln-postponement/
Interesting comments from the Bolton press about our game. I seem to recall something suggesting Bolton's disciplinary will be heard by the end of the month, so hopefully we'll hear something by the end of this week.
Just seen 3 pigs fly over Campsall. :headbang:
You are telling porkies CR
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Wonder if the Sunderland game at the Keepmoat on Dec 29th will be called off because Parky wants a rest over Christmas.
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Wonder if the Sunderland game at the Keepmoat on Dec 29th will be called off because Parky wants a rest over Christmas.
I’ve heard the 29th is bubble and squeak day in Parkys household
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I agree with you guys however, I am concerned the FA Commission will cave in to the thought of potentially having to fight a legal case from Bolton without properly taking into account all the actual facts and events as they unfolded at the time. You know Bolton will rely on the welfare issue for their defence. The FA won't want to be accused of dismissing the welfare of it's young players.
As for the EFL, they need to be careful. They have been accused of not doing enough to save Bury, yet we could question whether they have been too lenient with Bolton.
The thing is, if the EFL wish to appear to be strong then be strong. They were strong with Bury (too strong, some may say) and they have been weak with Bolton. No consistency.
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wow! best Bolton area