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Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 08:13:16 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 05:57:59 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.How on earth can what the french believe be irrelevant in trade negotiations when we will shortly have control over our waters as to who fishes here and more to the point where that fish is sold .It's also relevant because the UK exports the fish it catches and imports the fish we eat .That's called trade I believe .We're talking about deals, not negotiations.PS We've already sold control of our waters so, no, we won't get it back like you think we will. It certainly isn't up for any negotiations.The argument is about where foreign boats land their catch .Clearly if they are forced by UK regulation to land their catch in the UK then clearly we gain the economic benefit .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 05:57:59 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.How on earth can what the french believe be irrelevant in trade negotiations when we will shortly have control over our waters as to who fishes here and more to the point where that fish is sold .It's also relevant because the UK exports the fish it catches and imports the fish we eat .That's called trade I believe .We're talking about deals, not negotiations.PS We've already sold control of our waters so, no, we won't get it back like you think we will. It certainly isn't up for any negotiations.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.How on earth can what the french believe be irrelevant in trade negotiations when we will shortly have control over our waters as to who fishes here and more to the point where that fish is sold .It's also relevant because the UK exports the fish it catches and imports the fish we eat .That's called trade I believe .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?
Quote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.
I feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .
Tyke.What don't you like about foreign workers coming to our communities?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?
Quote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 22, 2020, 08:43:00 pmTyke.What don't you like about foreign workers coming to our communities?Because of the speed and numbers arriving in the UK it has changed the social fabric of communities we live in and I don't care for it thanks very much .
Perhaps we should permanently shut down Indian, Chinese and Italian restaurants and protect our culture!
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 09:00:11 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 22, 2020, 08:43:00 pmTyke.What don't you like about foreign workers coming to our communities?Because of the speed and numbers arriving in the UK it has changed the social fabric of communities we live in and I don't care for it thanks very much .Do you have any Irish Catholic heritage?One half of my family came over from Ireland 130 years ago in a tsunami of immigrants who came and worked down the pit. They transformed communities' social background in a matter of years. To a far larger extent than
Easy for Michael Caine to say that, when he's never going to be a poor servant.I humbly suggest that those who say this is about principle rather than wealth have not internalised what a 10% loss in GDP over an extended period will mean to their day to day lives.
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 09:00:11 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 22, 2020, 08:43:00 pmTyke.What don't you like about foreign workers coming to our communities?Because of the speed and numbers arriving in the UK it has changed the social fabric of communities we live in and I don't care for it thanks very much . I guess you agree with this decision Tyke? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/22/windrush-victim-refused-british-citizenship-despite-wrongful-passport-confiscation Very revealing about you!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on November 22, 2020, 09:30:20 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 09:00:11 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 22, 2020, 08:43:00 pmTyke.What don't you like about foreign workers coming to our communities?Because of the speed and numbers arriving in the UK it has changed the social fabric of communities we live in and I don't care for it thanks very much . I guess you agree with this decision Tyke? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/22/windrush-victim-refused-british-citizenship-despite-wrongful-passport-confiscation Very revealing about you!Unfortunately your doing Glyn's trick by being extreme and trying to expose me as a racist which seems to be the liberal lefts play book .Pretty disgusting really but also unsurprising either .If we don't agree with such as yourself on immigration then we are racists .To be honest you ain't even worth the bother , dear me .
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 08:44:24 pmPerhaps we should permanently shut down Indian, Chinese and Italian restaurants and protect our culture!That's exactly the kind of extreme statement to back up your beliefs that will keep Labour out of power for a long long time .That's exactly the type of attitude that led to Tory votes in the red wall .We've had Chinese , Indian and Italian restaurants in the UK for as long as I can remember and none of them ever threatened the social fabric of communities what so ever .In comparison to mass migration at the speed we've seen and the impact on the social fabric of communities your post is absolutely laughable .The local Chinese changed the social fabric of Darfield , don't think so .
Good thing we don't have huge communities of Brits living in foreign towns and cities, isn't it.
Almost everything about the so-called british culture is imported from tobacco and spuds to tea, coffee, spices and people. Genetic study reveals 30% of white British DNA has German ancestry Analysis over 20 years reveals heavy Anglo-Saxon influence, with French and Danish DNA coming from earlier migrations than the Normans or Vikings.There is no 'our' culture it's a shared culture. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry
The name Scawsby has Scandinavian origins. It probably began as a Danish farmstead.
Quote from: River Don on November 22, 2020, 10:42:52 pmThe name Scawsby has Scandinavian origins. It probably began as a Danish farmstead.Does that mean we'll still get Danish bacon?
Buying local can be more expensive, so don't expected much change. No.