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Is Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .Every action leads to a reaction .
Quote from: tyke1962 on September 26, 2021, 10:12:39 amIs Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .Every action leads to a reaction .Yet you are still prepared to abstain your vote to enable them to carry on!
Quote from: Filo on September 26, 2021, 10:33:54 amQuote from: tyke1962 on September 26, 2021, 10:12:39 amIs Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .Every action leads to a reaction .Yet you are still prepared to abstain your vote to enable them to carry on!Keith says he wouldn't have made those comments .You not see the position that places me in ?
Quote from: tyke1962 on September 26, 2021, 11:01:22 amQuote from: Filo on September 26, 2021, 10:33:54 amQuote from: tyke1962 on September 26, 2021, 10:12:39 amIs Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .Every action leads to a reaction .Yet you are still prepared to abstain your vote to enable them to carry on!Keith says he wouldn't have made those comments .You not see the position that places me in ?The position you are in is the position you have chosen by choice, and that is to enable another Tory Govt by cutting your nose off to spite your face
Her passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division. Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.
Quote from: Filo on September 26, 2021, 11:13:07 amQuote from: tyke1962 on September 26, 2021, 11:01:22 amQuote from: Filo on September 26, 2021, 10:33:54 amQuote from: tyke1962 on September 26, 2021, 10:12:39 amIs Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .Every action leads to a reaction .Yet you are still prepared to abstain your vote to enable them to carry on!Keith says he wouldn't have made those comments .You not see the position that places me in ?The position you are in is the position you have chosen by choice, and that is to enable another Tory Govt by cutting your nose off to spite your faceAs I keep repeating to support the direction the current Labour are taking in my world lends itself to agreeing with it and I can't do that .It's not a great position to be in and I do accept to a certain degree what you and others say .I can't do it anymore because as I say to vote for it is to agree with it .
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 26, 2021, 11:38:22 amHer passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division. Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.Would you accept that the choice of words could lead to the sections of society who feel excluded actually having the motivation to vote for her .A choice of words they connect with rather than the usual empty vessel suspects .Millions don't vote let's not forget .Not saying I'm right but something to discuss none the less .
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 26, 2021, 11:38:22 amHer passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division. Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.I commend her passion and the fact she's made a solid career for herself despite leaving school early but it's just some of the language she uses will alienate some people and like you say is too aggressive. She isn't electable but she is a better candidate than Starmer, which says a lot. For me the best hope Labour have is Andy Burnham, he has the passion, he's composed and he has the leadership needed. What's your thoughts on Burnham as being someone who is more center/center-right?
Burnham's entire career has been WAY to the right of Starmer. What exactly DO you want? Just someone who speaks with a northern accent?
It’s not the first time she has used this term. She used it in the hoc last October. I don’t care what political party you lean towards. This language is unacceptable, and should not be dressed up as passion or commitment. If I called someone this in my profession I would be in trouble. Big time. She is a potty mouth. This will do her cause and that of her party no good. Her true colours have come to the surface again.
Quote from: normal rules on September 26, 2021, 04:58:54 pmIt’s not the first time she has used this term. She used it in the hoc last October. I don’t care what political party you lean towards. This language is unacceptable, and should not be dressed up as passion or commitment. If I called someone this in my profession I would be in trouble. Big time. She is a potty mouth. This will do her cause and that of her party no good. Her true colours have come to the surface again.Don't get me wrong she's definitely in marmite territory to say the least .So was bloody Thatcher who came in from the opposite direction and it didn't do her any harm .Plenty of folk like to hear it said how it is and leave the political speak to the moderates .We don't live in moderate times , it's toxic out there and sometimes this kind of talk can cut through .It's a risk I won't lie but ............
Quote from: tyke1962 on September 26, 2021, 06:03:21 pmQuote from: normal rules on September 26, 2021, 04:58:54 pmIt’s not the first time she has used this term. She used it in the hoc last October. I don’t care what political party you lean towards. This language is unacceptable, and should not be dressed up as passion or commitment. If I called someone this in my profession I would be in trouble. Big time. She is a potty mouth. This will do her cause and that of her party no good. Her true colours have come to the surface again.Don't get me wrong she's definitely in marmite territory to say the least .So was bloody Thatcher who came in from the opposite direction and it didn't do her any harm .Plenty of folk like to hear it said how it is and leave the political speak to the moderates .We don't live in moderate times , it's toxic out there and sometimes this kind of talk can cut through .It's a risk I won't lie but ............To me, Rayner is the modern day equivalent of John Prescott. Someone who wears her working class credentials on her sleeve and doesn't really care who she upsets. Even the propensity for mangling the English language offers an uncanny similarity.But Prescott was never Prime Minister material and he knew it. He also knew that a lot of people who voted Labour didn't do so because of him. However, in the 1997 election he dialled it down a bit and came across as a measured and composed politician, contributing to the 'mission', namely, winning an election.Rayner could learn a thing or two.
What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.
Quote from: selby on September 26, 2021, 08:17:30 pm What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on September 26, 2021, 09:59:45 pmQuote from: selby on September 26, 2021, 08:17:30 pm What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...But at least he has done the right thing and apologised.
Quote from: drfchound on September 26, 2021, 10:05:42 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on September 26, 2021, 09:59:45 pmQuote from: selby on September 26, 2021, 08:17:30 pm What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...But at least he has done the right thing and apologised.Really? He apologised to a newspaper when they asked him to make a comment, he didn't apologise to the person he was referring to and is only apologising as he got caught. He was hoping to get away with saying it in a private WhatsApp group and not being pulled up on it. Like I said proposing the murder of someone is worse than calling someone scum.