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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: donnievic on March 12, 2013, 12:27:37 pm
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Can't say I'm that bothered
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b*llocks
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Bugger.
This was a great chance to open up that gap and put pressure on the other teams. Oh well, I suppose it gives our lads a rest and a chance for Syers to be back.
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Yet the youth team game goes ahead.
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I think the pitch inspection was far too early, the game isn't for another 7 hours, could well be playable by then.
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I think the pitch inspection was far too early, the game isn't for another 7 hours, could well be playable by then.
Agreed, think this could be an error by those involved in the decision making.
Where has this been announced anyway?
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I think the pitch inspection was far too early, the game isn't for another 7 hours, could well be playable by then.
Just been on SSN
Agreed, think this could be an error by those involved in the decision making.
Where has this been announced anyway?
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Sorry, but thats ridiculous (not you Rob thae decision)
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Yet the youth team game goes ahead.
Its boiling in Cantley!!
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Just seen Brian Flynn at ground and he's told me. Didn't look happy !
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yet cantley park is ok? tin pot.
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bullshit
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Pathetic decision. There is nothing wrong with the ground. f**k sake.
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To be honest, Cantley Park has been really wet for a while. It could be to do with the hardnest of the pitch at the Keepmoat. Every club says the surface is hard.
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Cantley park has grass on pitch whereas our pitch is mud, frozen mud is a death trap
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Nothing wrong with the ground Mush? So why is the game off?
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Another 7 hours of above freezing temperatures to soften the parts of the pitch that have been stated are 'unplayable' (which im guessing is frozen). No more snow forecasted either. Definitely could of dropped a big old saggy bollock
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Why? If the ground is frozen, it's frozen. Or are you 'in the know' as well?
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Scandalous. Shooting ourselves in the foot again. What a pathetic decision.
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The KM tundra strikes again, evertwhere else in donny the ground is soft and will take a stud, I reckon the Rugby on Sunday has screwed us, also a pitch inspection nearly 8 hours before kick off is way too early!
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Haha so many overreactions it's daft. It's cold and frozen in the shade. It's not that unbelievable really, get over it.
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The pitch should have been playable, surely the ground staff would know which areas are frozen if any and sort it. I thought we had double covers to protect down to -6 it not been that temperature.
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What a disappointment.
Was really looking forward to tonight and the chance to keep the momentum going after Saturday.
Bugger.
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Time to sort the pitch out and tell the rugby team to f**k off and play at Castle Park.
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Why is it pathetic?
I am sure the club has done all it can to get the game on, and the pitch covers can only achieve so much.
Yesterday and last night were very very cold, sometimes you just have to admit defeat to the weather. Stop slagging the club off "tin pot" " bullshit" etc...
Plus this gives Hume more time to get fully fit, and Syers etc. We're still top and this game is still winnable when re-scheduled.
What's the problem?
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its beautiful over here in manchester, bit nippy but really clear out and no snow at all :s
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Im absolutely baffled, i work just a stones throw from the keepmoat and the grass here is'nt frozen.
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Haha so many overreactions it's daft. It's cold and frozen in the shade. It's not that unbelievable really, get over it.
Agreed. How many times has it been mentioned that parts of the pitch are in the shade, so can't get the warmer temperatures? I can understand fans being frustrated, but let's just think about things before we speak
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We lose nothing by the postponement. There are plenty of Tuesdays to reschedule the game, no fixture pile up.
Stay in and stay warm, and look forward to Saturday...
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I think that's it, Lee. The goalmouth at the south end is permanently in shade at this time of year. I can well believe it's frozen solid.
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Hugely disappointing. If the game vs Orient was on, in far worse conditions than this, I was sure this would be on. This could well come back to bite us in future, it really could.
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Some people baffle me on here. It's off, get over it. The ref hasn't just turned up and thought "you know what, I can't be arsed tonight, I'll call it off". I'm sure Andy Thompson and his ground staff have done everything in their power to get the game on. Maybe if the pitch had a bit of grass on it we may have had a game. It's off, deal with it. Lets hope Saturday is on
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Could be a blessing in disguise.
In a few weeks time hopefully the squad will be fit and well, especially Jones Hume and Syers and the pitch will be in better condition.
And who knows, our nearest challengers will continue to cock up
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As long as it isn't arranged for next Tuesday as i'm off to see Kasabian at The Dome!
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Very disappointing but with the milder weather after Wednesday, it gives us the chance to get the pitch in shape for Saturday. Fingers crossed for a Brentford Swindon draw and Tranmere to go down at Walsall....C'mon the saddlers!!
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It may be overreaction but the stadium is the clubs now. We know areas of the pitch are in the shade. We know the pitch lacks grass. So it's down to the club to sort this out. These types of pitches need the lights to encourage grass growth we have not got them. Heaters that can warm ares of the pitch. We now cannot blame SMC so lets not blame the club.
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It may be overreaction but the stadium is the clubs now. We know areas of the pitch are in the shade. We know the pitch lacks grass. So it's down to the club to sort this out. These types of pitches need the lights to encourage grass growth we have not got them. Heaters that can warm ares of the pitch. We now cannot blame SMC so lets not blame the club.
Steve, as far as I'm aware these heaters & lights are massively expensive. I remember reading on here.
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This could well come back to bite us in future, it really could.
Why? Because we'll have less chance of winning with players like Brown, Hume and Syers even fitter than now? Because we may have to slip a Tuesday fixture in between all those saturdays, apart from Easter Monday?
The Orient fixture may have seen more snow, but less of a frozen pitch. I am sure tonight's game would have been on if at all possible.
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The lights can be used all year round and heaters can be hired if required. Dave Cotterill just tweeted the training ground is ok to train yet game is off.
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Time to sort the pitch out and tell the rugby team to f*** off and play at Castle Park.
FFS how many times does it have to be said its got nothing to do with rugby my being played there as for it being postponed its not as though we have got another 4 games to fit into rest of the season
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I'm disappointed as I was looking forward to the game but it could be a blessing in disguise, the lads have looked like they were running on empty with the continual 2 games per week and has stated Hume, Brown and Jones can rest and recover plus Syers could be back we could very well benefit from this.
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Cant believe people are slating the ground staff?????
ffs how short our memories are wasnt that long ago they were working through the night clearing snow etc to ensure ours was one of a few that werent called off, are you now saying they have sat there and said f***k it? Im sure thay have worked hard trying to get it on!...........
unless...........are we sure that the postponement isnt for our benefit?
p.s....Portsmouth and Scunny cancelations would mean I miss 0 games and still have my holiday (please )
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The lights can be used all year round and heaters can be hired if required. Dave Cotterill just tweeted the training ground is ok to train yet game is off.
Cantley Park hasn't taken as much punishment as the Keepmoat pitch. And who's to say it's just the pitch that's been taken into consideration?
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Jesus Gents.....Look we all know what super human efforts Andy puts into this pitch which are mainly due to the old SMC failing to do the required work on the pitch from previous years...If he couldn't get it on then thats life...The club were desperate to get it on but it isn't...Theres been no lack of effort by anybody it's just nature....stop bloody moaning....
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Time to sort the pitch out and tell the rugby team to f*** off and play at Castle Park.
FFS how many times does it have to be said its got nothing to do with rugby my being played there as for it being postponed its not as though we have got another 4 games to fit into rest of the season
Rugby will have some effect on the pitch. To say that it doesn't is very naive.
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its a long way to travel from Carlisle, so at least the supporters hae had plenty of warning, the poor MK Dons fans didn't have that much notice. That's from a travelling fans point of view.
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Cantley Park doesn't have 4 whacking great stands around it, restricting light and airflow.
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Time to sort the pitch out and tell the rugby team to f*** off and play at Castle Park.
FFS how many times does it have to be said its got nothing to do with rugby my being played there as for it being postponed its not as though we have got another 4 games to fit into rest of the season
Rugby will have some effect on the pitch. To say that it doesn't is very naive.
Some effect on the quality perhaps, but wouldn't make any difference to frost resistance?
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A theory- the Dons played Sunday afternoon. The pitch then froze before the groundstaff could get the covers down- certainly onto the areas at the South Stand End that are difficult to thaw out.
With tempearatures up to +8C by Friday the affected areas should thaw out in time for Saturday's match.
As for delaying the inspection, I am not happy at the moment having made arrangements to get to the game- but I'd have been even unhappier if the game had been called off after I'd made the effort to travel up to Donny.
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Franchise fans deserve it though. Anyway does anyone know when the game could potentially be rearranged for?
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Franchise fans deserve it though. Anyway does anyone know when the game could potentially be rearranged for?
Sorry am having a slow day, care to explain that
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Franchise fans deserve it though. Anyway does anyone know when the game could potentially be rearranged for?
Franchise?
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Not too fussed being off although was looking forward to having a beer tonight, the pitch is looking bad last few games too so what it is going to be like next game God knows..
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Time to sort the pitch out and tell the rugby team to f*** off and play at Castle Park.
Even before RL season started the pitch was shit..
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As long as it isn't arranged for next Tuesday as i'm off to see Kasabian at The Dome!
snap
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Pathetic decision. There is nothing wrong with the ground. f*** sake.
How do you know theres nothing wrong with the ground.Have you been and inspected it?
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
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Time to sort the pitch out and tell the rugby team to f*** off and play at Castle Park.
FFS how many times does it have to be said its got nothing to do with rugby my being played there as for it being postponed its not as though we have got another 4 games to fit into rest of the season
Rugby will have some effect on the pitch. To say that it doesn't is very naive.
thry have played all of what 3 games on it this Season so no I don't think it would have an effect on the pitch,it's not as thought it was in great condition before the rugby season started was it
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
shut up you plank snow has had nothing to do with it being called off,how do you know the club did want it called off with all the games we have played lately so have chance to get players fully fit
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
shut up you plank snow has had nothing to do with it being called off,how do you know the club did want it called off with all the games we have played lately so have chance to get players fully fit
HAHAHA. so you call me a plank for my comment then you come out with "how do you know the club did (which im guessing meant to say didnt*) want it called off with all the game we have played lately so have chance to get players fully fit"
What a pathetic point that is, if you didnt know its the referee who decided weather the games on or not, not brian flynn, john ryan or anyone else to do with rovers.
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
A joke, embarrassing? The pitch has been judged unplayable by someone who has the responsibility to make that call, not you nor I.
The club can't control the weather FFS, nor can it cover EVERY variation the weather brings.
Comments like yours are a joke. A football match is to be rescheduled, no one died did they?
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
A joke, embarrassing? The pitch has been judged unplayable by someone who has the responsibility to make that call, not you nor I.
The club can't control the weather FFS, nor can it cover EVERY variation the weather brings.
Comments like yours are a joke. A football match is to be rescheduled, no one died did they?
Spending over 30million on it i'd expect it cover every variation the weather brings..
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The game is off ffs accept it and realise it could be to our benefit. If any of our promotion contenders slip up tonight ........you will all be weeing in your pants. :lol:
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If Dean Saunders was still here the game would have been on.
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Anyone else care to write a nonsensical post about the weather, the judgement of the referee, the building of the stadium, the timing of the pitch inspection or differences between the micro-climates of cantley park and the keepmoat? If so, feel free to reply below...
:byebye:
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It's Harpers fault.
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
A joke, embarrassing? The pitch has been judged unplayable by someone who has the responsibility to make that call, not you nor I.
The club can't control the weather FFS, nor can it cover EVERY variation the weather brings.
Comments like yours are a joke. A football match is to be rescheduled, no one died did they?
Spending over 30million on it i'd expect it cover every variation the weather brings..
Don't be daft, that's impossible. Sometimes a game is called off not because of the pitch, but because the areas around the stadium (outside the club's control) are deemed unsafe for spectators etc. You cannot cover every circumstance, nor should we expect them to. They make plenty of effort but sometimes unsuccessfully.
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
A joke, embarrassing? The pitch has been judged unplayable by someone who has the responsibility to make that call, not you nor I.
The club can't control the weather FFS, nor can it cover EVERY variation the weather brings.
Comments like yours are a joke. A football match is to be rescheduled, no one died did they?
Spending over 30million on it i'd expect it cover every variation the weather brings..
Don't be daft, that's impossible. Sometimes a game is called off not because of the pitch, but because the areas around the stadium (outside the club's control) are deemed unsafe for spectators etc. You cannot cover every circumstance, nor should we expect them to. They make plenty of effort but sometimes unsuccessfully.
Cant remember a game at old trafford been postponed in a very long time.. i could be wrong though
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Cant remember a game at old trafford been postponed in a very long time.. i could be wrong though
How much change did Man Utd get out of their £30mill budget?
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If they wanted the game on enough, it would have been. it's more beneficial for them to postpone it now and play the rescheduled game with more fit players.
Having said that, inspecting the pitch 8 hours before the game is completely f**king rediculous. It's glorious now, the pitch WILL be playable by 7:45.
Tactical postponement - fact
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Cant remember a game at old trafford been postponed in a very long time.. i could be wrong though
How much change did Man Utd get out of their £30mill budget?
How much change did we get? was 32mill wasnt it? :)
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I reckon Manchester Utd can afford to spend more on the upkeep of their stadium, pitch etc that we just cant' match. It's nothing to do with the construction costs, more the operational costs.
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Cant remember a game at old trafford been postponed in a very long time.. i could be wrong though
How much change did Man Utd get out of their £30mill budget?
How much change did we get? was 32mill wasnt it? :)
And you think we should be able to match Man Utd's facilities for just £32mill?
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Tactical postponement - fact
Utter speculation - fact
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Tactical postponement - fact
Utter speculation - fact
Yes, because the ref is involved in our tactics.
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Just seen the pitch inspection on Sky Sports News, and as I suspected after reading all the conspiracy theories on here, the pitch in the shade was definitely well frozen.
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
A joke, embarrassing? The pitch has been judged unplayable by someone who has the responsibility to make that call, not you nor I.
The club can't control the weather FFS, nor can it cover EVERY variation the weather brings.
Comments like yours are a joke. A football match is to be rescheduled, no one died did they?
Spending over 30million on it i'd expect it cover every variation the weather brings..
Don't be daft, that's impossible. Sometimes a game is called off not because of the pitch, but because the areas around the stadium (outside the club's control) are deemed unsafe for spectators etc. You cannot cover every circumstance, nor should we expect them to. They make plenty of effort but sometimes unsuccessfully.
Cant remember a game at old trafford been postponed in a very long time.. i could be wrong though
Manchester United? You serious? Are you honestly going to compare Doncaster Rovers and the Keepmoat Stadium to Man U and thier stadium? And expect to be taken seriously.
I know your gutted about your Champions League exit and Nani's red card, but no need to take it out on us or our groundsmen...
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
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Yeah and how do you know they wasnt bothered about playing it so lets uncover part of the pitch so there is less chance of playing?not saying they did but think helps us more not playing tonight than actually playing
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Did you actually read SM's post? Postponing a game costs money, so why deliberately do that on for the chances of a better result later, when we've just got 3 points away from home at one of the best teams in the division?
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
im not doubting you on this SM and not saying the club wanted it off but this time I think we would get a bigger crowd later in the season and also calling it off this early surely not wasting anymore money on staff,as for bulbous and mascots we don't pay them for doing it ???
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Did you actually read SM's post? Postponing a game costs money, so why deliberately do that on for the chances of a better result later, when we've just got 3 points away from home at one of the best teams in the division?
no it didn't as I posted near enough the same time thank you for asking
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
A joke, embarrassing? The pitch has been judged unplayable by someone who has the responsibility to make that call, not you nor I.
The club can't control the weather FFS, nor can it cover EVERY variation the weather brings.
Comments like yours are a joke. A football match is to be rescheduled, no one died did they?
Spending over 30million on it i'd expect it cover every variation the weather brings..
Don't be daft, that's impossible. Sometimes a game is called off not because of the pitch, but because the areas around the stadium (outside the club's control) are deemed unsafe for spectators etc. You cannot cover every circumstance, nor should we expect them to. They make plenty of effort but sometimes unsuccessfully.
Cant remember a game at old trafford been postponed in a very long time.. i could be wrong though
Manchester United? You serious? Are you honestly going to compare Doncaster Rovers and the Keepmoat Stadium to Man U and thier stadium? And expect to be taken seriously.
I know your gutted about your Champions League exit and Nani's red card, but no need to take it out on us or our groundsmen...
That second bit too your post wasnt funny in the slightest, sorry to tell you
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What a joke, so embarrasing.
The tiniest bit of snow which has gone now anyway. Our multi million pound stadium cant even deal with it, beyond a joke now. If this was at belle vue it would still be on.
A joke, embarrassing? The pitch has been judged unplayable by someone who has the responsibility to make that call, not you nor I.
The club can't control the weather FFS, nor can it cover EVERY variation the weather brings.
Comments like yours are a joke. A football match is to be rescheduled, no one died did they?
Spending over 30million on it i'd expect it cover every variation the weather brings..
Don't be daft, that's impossible. Sometimes a game is called off not because of the pitch, but because the areas around the stadium (outside the club's control) are deemed unsafe for spectators etc. You cannot cover every circumstance, nor should we expect them to. They make plenty of effort but sometimes unsuccessfully.
Cant remember a game at old trafford been postponed in a very long time.. i could be wrong though
Manchester United? You serious? Are you honestly going to compare Doncaster Rovers and the Keepmoat Stadium to Man U and thier stadium? And expect to be taken seriously.
I know your gutted about your Champions League exit and Nani's red card, but no need to take it out on us or our groundsmen...
And not once did i take it out on the groundsmen..
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Has everybody got over it yet? :huh:
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Did you actually read SM's post? Postponing a game costs money, so why deliberately do that on for the chances of a better result later, when we've just got 3 points away from home at one of the best teams in the division?
no it didn't as I posted near enough the same time thank you for asking
OK fair do's. I still don't think anyone wanted a postponement.
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
Therefore why did the club not bring in heaters to warm up the areas of the pitch that were in doubt. It has not just happened overnight. We had at a day to sort it out. The ground staff should be given more tools to enable all their good work not to be spoiled.
We need to budget next season for tools such as pitch lights, which will keep the grass better and hiring of heaters to ensure we can play games, championship or not. The ground staff should be given all the help they can with more matches, football and rugby to come.
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Tactical postponement - fact
Utter speculation - fact
Utter b*llocks- fact.
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
Therefore why did the club not bring in heaters to warm up the areas of the pitch that were in doubt. It has not just happened overnight. We had at a day to sort it out. The ground staff should be given more tools to enable all their good work not to be spoiled.
We need to budget next season for tools such as pitch lights, which will keep the grass better and hiring of heaters to ensure we can play games, championship or not. The ground staff should be given all the help they can with more matches, football and rugby to come.
This very subject cropped up in a conversation quite recently. The figures I was given for the things you mention were astronomical.
So far the extra covers have done a good job this season but at the expense of keeping the pitch in tip top condition. So, its a matter of balance, the pitch was covered but it also needed some light otherwise we would have been faced with an even bigger bill thi summer. It's not the wear and tear specifically, more a case of nature not being able to do its job.
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
Some good points there, however should the rearranged fixture be an opportunity to seal promotion then some of those theories will be blown out of the window. More importantly lets try and take the positives, we have a blank week whilst our opponents on Saturday play tonight. It gives the squad an opportunity to recharge their batteries and I would strongly suggest the club try and have the re-arranged fixture played on Tuesday 9th April. The reason for that is that our opponents on Saturday 13th April (Crewe) are playing on Wednesday 10th April at home to Brentford so effectively the team would have an extra days rest on our opponents at Gresty Road.
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Did you actually read SM's post? Postponing a game costs money, so why deliberately do that on for the chances of a better result later, when we've just got 3 points away from home at one of the best teams in the division?
no it didn't as I posted near enough the same time thank you for asking
OK fair do's. I still don't think anyone wanted a postponement.
not saying they did but with the amount if games we have played in short space of time and last 2 being away gives players with niggles more time to recover and of course others who are injured a chance to have a fitter squad to pick from when it is eventually played in front of a bigger crowd to boot.
As the the heater people have said the cost alot of money to even hire so is it worth it to get them????
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
Some good points there, however should the rearranged fixture be an opportunity to seal promotion then some of those theories will be blown out of the window. More importantly lets try and take the positives, we have a blank week whilst our opponents on Saturday play tonight. It gives the squad an opportunity to recharge their batteries and I would strongly suggest the club try and have the re-arranged fixture played on Tuesday 9th April. The reason for that is that our opponents on Saturday 13th April (Crewe) are playing on Wednesday 10th April at home to Brentford so effectively the team would have an extra days rest on our opponents at Gresty Road.
that is near enough how I ment to put things across,end of the day it does us no harm at all not playing tonight apart from money which we should get more of an income through gate receipts with a bigger crowd when it is played??
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6 degrees outside now, and has been for several hours.
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Thanks for that Michael
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Thanks for that Michael
I'd like to ask the question how a game cannot be playable when the temperature has been 6 degrees above freezing for the majority of the day.
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Thanks for that Michael
I'd like to ask the question how a game cannot be playable when the temperature has been 6 degrees above freezing for the majority of the day.
Maybe there's no direct correlation between air temperature and ground temperature?
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Thanks for that Michael
you can certainly ask but we don't know how hard the pitch was at 12 and even now with the frozen part no doubt being the south stand goal where no sun light will get.
I'd like to ask the question how a game cannot be playable when the temperature has been 6 degrees above freezing for the majority of the day.
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Thanks for that Michael
I'd like to ask the question how a game cannot be playable when the temperature has been 6 degrees above freezing for the majority of the day.
Serious questions here - do you actually read other peoples posts?
I also made the point about having to let the away supporters now. All the club have to go on is weather forecasts, not hindsight.
Jesus wept, it seems I got the answer to my last post in this thread...
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Just to clarify what I said earlier, I wasn't slating the ground staff for not getting the game on. However surely common sense should tell the officials that maybe just waiting an hour to make a decision would be better. I know there's away fans who need to know, but an hour, coupled with the temperature not being that low surely means the ground would obviously be fine by 7:45? It's been absolutely fine all day, surely the small part of the pitch that was in the shade was salvageable in nearly 8 hours.
I remember when England played Poland and it was pissing it down, they still delayed the inspection and decision by an hour to try and get the game on even though it was obviously never going to happen. Don't see why the officials couldn't have used the same sort of thinking in a far less extreme situation where there was a real possibility the game could be played. Again, not having a go at the groundstaff, far from it, I think they would have gotten the game on if allowed, but I still question the decision by the officials.
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Total journey time from Carlisle to Doncaster is c. 2 1/2 hrs. A pitch inspection at 3/4 p.m might have been better for a night match surely ?
Midday inspections are usually for afternoon ko's, judging from those facts it must have been obvious that the game was highly unlikely to take place when the decision for a midday inspection was decided upon yesterday. :blink:
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Total journey time from Carlisle to Doncaster is c. 2 1/2 hrs. A pitch inspection at 3/4 p.m might have been better for a night match surely ?
Midday inspections are usually for afternoon ko's, judging from those facts it must have been obvious that the game was highly unlikely to take place when the decision for a midday inspection was decided upon yesterday. :blink:
My thoughts as well
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That's ok for the fans just about but I think their players would have been setting off around 12ish
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Thanks for that Michael
I'd like to ask the question how a game cannot be playable when the temperature has been 6 degrees above freezing for the majority of the day.
Ah Mr Frost, your confusing 'Sensible Heat' with 'Latent Heat'. If the pitch is frozen it would need a large chunk of energy without necessarily seeing a rise in temperature or a change of state.
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
Well if this is the case SM i think someone is not doing their job. This game should have been playable tonight.
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Funny how the vast majority of other clubs haven't had a problem. Just saying.
Was the pitch covered? Sky Sports coverage suggest it wasn't.
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You know what? Probably the best thing that could have happened. Gives the team time to rest and for those nursing injuries to get fit again, for the the final push.
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You know what? Probably the best thing that could have happened. Gives the team time to rest and for those nursing injuries to get fit again, for the the final push.
Yep a little break won't do us any harm at all.
I'm not too disappointed either, it'll be freezing tonight.
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Funny how the vast majority of other clubs haven't had a problem. Just saying.
Was the pitch covered? Sky Sports coverage suggest it wasn't.
The vast majority of clubs don't play next to a lake, which I believe does make a difference (although I stand to be corrected).
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
Well if this is the case SM i think someone is not doing their job. This game should have been playable tonight.
But that's your opinion, which unfortunately doesn't fit the facts.
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It seems to me like there has been more postponements at the KM than there used to be at OBV...
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It seems to me like there has been more postponements at the KM than there used to be at OBV...
It has a big roof giving more shade particularly from the south stand. It's usually the southern edge of the pitch that is the problem.
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I agree with RD's point, but we've also had a succession of cold winters since we moved to the KMS. The chap from Donny Council who said that "global warming" would obviate the need for undersoil heating must go down with that A & R man at Decca who thought that "guitar groups are on their way out" after listening to The Beatles.
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There must be some cost effective way of preventing this happening too often, like renting them gas heater blowers they use on building sites to use on the problem areas, or something.
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Funny how the vast majority of other clubs haven't had a problem. Just saying.
Was the pitch covered? Sky Sports coverage suggest it wasn't.
Frosty if you look at the OS you will see that there were covers on the pitch. I take it that those are covers that have been pulled back in the background. Don't believe Skysports, it's like believing the Sun newspaper!
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Right what`s on telly tonight ,BBC 1 . Eastenders
Holby City
Masterchef
BBC 2. Great British Fixer
Alex Polizzi -The Fixer
The Railways
ITV . Barcelona v A C Milan
CH4 . Supersize vs Superskinny
16 Kids and Counting
CH5 . New Cowboy Builders
Whale Adventure
CSI
Plus many more on Sky and Freeview etc.
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Are we still moaning about this it been 6hours now ffs.
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OK, let's look forward now. Is there anything that can be done to try to ensure that Saturday's game goes ahead? Looking at the weather forecast the temperatures should rise from Thursday afternoon onwards, which would help. However, will this be enough to deal with the parts of the pitch that are frozen?
To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, to have one game called off would be misfortune; to have two called off would be carelessness.
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Just to add a bit of weight to the argument about air temperature being cooler near water, I know a bit about this.
The temperature of water changes much more slowly than that of air. Because of this, water in lakes is usually significantly colder than the ambient air surrounding it. The colder temperatures of the water will usually lower the air temperature in the immediate vicinity.
I imagine that the lake does influence the micro climate in and around the lakeside area as opposed to further away from the lake. Obviously it doesn't help with the sunlight not getting to certain parts of the ground and the current state of the pitch, all considered its not surprising the game is off.
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I walked round the lake this morning before 11am. The grass around the lake and near the Keepmoat was not frozen. Ruts in the mud were sgt and not hard.
The problem is the design of the pitch, which even without frost is hard. To keep the grass green pitch lights are required money should be made available if we continue with this pitch design. It's over now the game is cancelled, but the pictures from Sky shows the pitch is white. So was the pitch left uncovered? I doubt. Maybe the snow flurries before the inspection, when the covers had been removed, coated the pitch.
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
Well if this is the case SM i think someone is not doing their job. This game should have been playable tonight.
But that's your opinion, which unfortunately doesn't fit the facts.
I think you will find thats not just my opinion. But you're right we dont have access to all of the facts that you obviously have.
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And like has been said there isn't a big stand around the lake that stops sun getting to it
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At least we get to see Barca on the telly. Messi just scored with a finish Paul Heffernan would be proud of.
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The Game was off -FACT-We need to time to get influential players back from injury-FACT=Winners US/ I thank you!! :clapping:
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Was the game off tonight like?? :lol:
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You must have missed it on the news jonny :whistle:,no hang on none of the news stations puts us on unless we've lost,it's done us a favour on the playing front extra days to get players fit,at least it was called off pretty quick,and hopefully not too many people travelled and wasted their time.
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I'm surprised there's not been more mention of it on here :coat:
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If you knew how much it costs the club to postpone a game on the day it should be played none of you would subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Rearranged games never draw the same crowd, nor do they attract the same people who pay for hospitality, or sponsors, or advertisers. The programme which has already been produced doesn't sell the same, extra costs are incurred by having to stand down all the match day staff, the ball boys, the mascots etc etc etc. The list is endless.
Well if this is the case SM i think someone is not doing their job. This game should have been playable tonight.
But that's your opinion, which unfortunately doesn't fit the facts.
I think you will find thats not just my opinion. But you're right we dont have access to all of the facts that you obviously have.
But Martin has given you all the facts, so you do have access. You are just choosing to ignore them because they dont fit your theory of why the game could have gone ahead.
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Temperature rising to 7 degrees in the day by Friday. But I hope we will ensure the frozen patches, which are not open to sun light, are planned to be in order for Saturday. We do not want this game cancelled.