I don't think OP is far out, and not necessarily sniping.
VSC grilled and doubted sequentia over several months. I suppose it will now be interesting to see how the non-football man who made his fortune in the construction industry deals with the football club with construction prospects.
In the interest of fairness and to discourage bias on here, shouldn't the VSC now consistently moan about not having questions answered by TB and question his credibility?
Can I just say, and this isn't an official statement on all things VSC, that we have done exactly what you're asking.
We asked questions of SC/JR and didn't get any answers, in fact we got solicitors threatening legal,action for having the temerity to question their intentions. You'll see more of this in days to come.
However, when we asked questions of TB we got an audience. Not only that he answered all of our questions and went further in expressing how he would like to see the club progress. It's not for me, or us, to expand on that, TB will do so shortly I would guess. But you have to accept that this guy is a force to be reckoned with, and in a nice way. I'm sure his tenure ship,of DRFC will be a good one.
You can make your own minds up on what that means.
Not really. I doubt they would have threatened action if there was no reason to.
Why should SC be interested on staying on the right side of a small fan base (or even smaller number of internet forum users)?
It's not as if VSC accounts for 40k season ticket holders is it?
VSC were just a 'thorn in SC's side' whilst the grown ups were negotiating deals.
Not really. I doubt they would have threatened action if there was no reason to.
Why should SC be interested on staying on the right side of a small fan base (or even smaller number of internet forum users)?
It's not as if VSC accounts for 40k season ticket holders is it?
VSC were just a 'thorn in SC's side' whilst the grown ups were negotiating deals.
Not really. I doubt they would have threatened action if there was no reason to.
Why should SC be interested on staying on the right side of a small fan base (or even smaller number of internet forum users)?
It's not as if VSC accounts for 40k season ticket holders is it?
VSC were just a 'thorn in SC's side' whilst the grown ups were negotiating deals.
If they weren't bothered about threatening a supporters trust, or any sort of fans organisation, do you think they would be bothered about individual fans feelings once they took over?
No I don't. the fans are insignificant in the case of DRFC. We are a small proportion of the income and the size of the fanbase is smaller than that of clubs of the same playing standard. It may have entered their thoughts if they were attempting to take over Man U or someone similar.
Not really. I doubt they would have threatened action if there was no reason to.
Why should SC be interested on staying on the right side of a small fan base (or even smaller number of internet forum users)?
It's not as if VSC accounts for 40k season ticket holders is it?
VSC were just a 'thorn in SC's side' whilst the grown ups were negotiating deals.
If they weren't bothered about threatening a supporters trust, or any sort of fans organisation, do you think they would be bothered about individual fans feelings once they took over?
No I don't. the fans are insignificant in the case of DRFC. We are a small proportion of the income and the size of the fanbase is smaller than that of clubs of the same playing standard. It may have entered their thoughts if they were attempting to take over Man U or someone similar.
I am mightily impressed with TB DKN. A quiet yet powerful figure. He clearly knows all the moves and he clearly knows how to win. Politically he's run rings around the competition - despite their control of the local press. That takes some doing that does. Despite all the noise and bluster, it's the other side that's come out on top. TB is a man to respect.
BobG
He only has within the bubble of the VSC though Bob. Being an exile you miss the core bulk of our supporters talking, the guys in the staffroom discussing the club. In no way, shape or form has he won any kind of battle in that respect. The fans at Barnsley weren't shouting 'One TB' were they?
It's within the confines of this forum and this forum alone where there seems to be support for TB and even here it's divided.I am mightily impressed with TB DKN. A quiet yet powerful figure. He clearly knows all the moves and he clearly knows how to win. Politically he's run rings around the competition - despite their control of the local press. That takes some doing that does. Despite all the noise and bluster, it's the other side that's come out on top. TB is a man to respect.
BobG
Maybe we wouldn't have DRFC no, but there would be a Doncaster football club and we would all be supporting them.
Was the man in the stands shouting their support of TB? Do you think they will be this weekend?
The supporters at the game are always welcome and encouraged to join the VSC because the VSC are here to represent them.
The supporters at the game are not prevented from airing their views on this forum. The supporters at the game can also participate in IRWT questionnaires and such.
AND the people who use this forum and members of the VSC are actually supporters at the game too.
Why is it always supposed that the wider majority of supporters at the game have views radically different to the views of the minority of supporters at the game who are keen enough to join the VSC or post on the forum?
The supporters at the game are always welcome and encouraged to join the VSC because the VSC are here to represent them.
The supporters at the game are not prevented from airing their views on this forum. The supporters at the game can also participate in IRWT questionnaires and such.
AND the people who use this forum and members of the VSC are actually supporters at the game too.
Why is it always supposed that the wider majority of supporters at the game have views radically different to the views of the minority of supporters at the game who are keen enough to join the VSC or post on the forum?
that's where your wrong the vsc represents its self and itself only. the majority of the fans backed JR FACT! the vsc didn't.
I think it reasonable to assume his credibility didn't go down the pan with the majority of the fans.
I read Facebook as well as this forum (not Twitter I admit) and I think JR has a lot of support. He has support on here too, as does TB. Having said that, most of his support comes from the VSC directors.
If JR does read this forum and I don't know if he does or not, I'm sure he would love to read exactly where and when he lied.
And I thought you were going to answer my questions I did pose the questions to you and not Ryan.
Right now Bramall is the man for me but when things settle down I would like to see a strong football director to put that side of things over. Bramall doesn't like yes men, he is a force to deal with in the boardroom and he is not easy to beat, Ryan is an example of that. So I would like to see a balance to create the synergy going forward.
Casp & Wesco I see you are relatively new to the forum with very similar views, strange!
I dont quite get what your issue is. I have fully submitted all my details to the forum that can be put against most social network sites to confirm my identity.
It must be hard to see more than one person challenge the bubbled world a lot of you live in on here where every decision made is a good one and deserves a good pat on the back all round but unfortunately, while my opinion is similar to mentioned poster, it's also representative of a hell of lot more fans!
It was plain to see at barnsley and every other internet platform but this one simples!
Hmm Wesco. Anyone who believes pretty well anything that's written on twitter, facebook and all the other organs for those unable to think simply prove the point. To then quote that as 'evidence for Gods sake simply damns you out of your own mouth. Well, keyboard actually.
Sorry Wexco. Your points have less credibility than even my claim to be an England opening batsman.
BobG
PS. I see the insufferable Lee hasn't come back with any evidence either. Poor lad.
Maybe that same demographic is the one that has the most usage of FB and t**tter? Whilst they are both very popular with millions of users, I would still say they are not representative of DRFC fans as a whole. I am in my 40's and I don't use FB for example, but I will post on here (and used to use BBC 606). My dad in his 60's has been following DRFC since his childhood and wouldn't even look at the forums, never mind FB etc. I would guess (but not claim as fact) that this is representative of similar generations?
Maybe that same demographic is the one that has the most usage of FB and t**tter? Whilst they are both very popular with millions of users, I would still say they are not representative of DRFC fans as a whole. I am in my 40's and I don't use FB for example, but I will post on here (and used to use BBC 606). My dad in his 60's has been following DRFC since his childhood and wouldn't even look at the forums, never mind FB etc. I would guess (but not claim as fact) that this is representative of similar generations?
I'd go along with that. The more seasoned you are the less you feel the need to publicly announce your feelings. Most of us have seen pantomime tricks like that many times before and are less impressed. If I remember correctly at a pantomime it's the kids who are encouraged to shout out 'He's behind you' because they are the ones easily influenced. Sadly as we grow some adults never learn that Jack didn't really have any magic beans at all and it was a fairy story all along.
It was plain to see at barnsley and every other internet platform but this one simples!
Do you not think it's time to give the whole JR v TB thing a rest now?
Ok so let it rest after you have had one last little dig :facepalm:
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
I have supported this club for many years and save the odd trip into the Polypipe Stand that's all you got from JR. Please name me one just one instance where JR actually listened and took action from a single or group of fans.
You don't have to think too long as there aren't many instances over many yearswhere that has actually happened.
Where has this myth come from ? Look I don't and never have had any problems with him as a person over the years but the Barnsley ''stunt''really pissed me off ..........it was the day that John Ryan FORGOT that DRFC belongs to the folk of Doncaster as it has for over a century and didn't belong to HIM.
Why oh why people fall for such stunts is beyond me ? They have for years and the gullibility goes on and on and on...................................RANT OVER
Remember that this club belongs to this town and not any individual. I thank JR for what all that he has done but am disappointed in his recent actions
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
I find your comments very wide of the mark. The best that we've had, in terms of a voice, has come through the IRWT project, and this has received nationwide acclaim for its wide ranging and, in some cases, groundbreaking ideas. It's Fan Engagement at its best.
But the people responsible for driving this and delivering this across all areas has been Gavin Baldwin and Shaun Lockwood, with great support from all Heads Of Departments.
I don't think John even knew we had this programme running.
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
I have supported this club for many years and save the odd trip into the Polypipe Stand that's all you got from JR. Please name me one just one instance where JR actually listened and took action from a single or group of fans.
You don't have to think too long as there aren't many instances over many yearswhere that has actually happened.
Where has this myth come from ? Look I don't and never have had any problems with him as a person over the years but the Barnsley ''stunt''really pissed me off ..........it was the day that John Ryan FORGOT that DRFC belongs to the folk of Doncaster as it has for over a century and didn't belong to HIM.
Why oh why people fall for such stunts is beyond me ? They have for years and the gullibility goes on and on and on...................................RANT OVER
Remember that this club belongs to this town and not any individual. I thank JR for what all that he has done but am disappointed in his recent actions
My understanding is that during the early days of his time as chairman, he used to meet on a regular basis with Andy Liney and co to discuss supporters concerns.
As for his actions at Barnsley, what was he meant to do? He'd just resigned his position and therefore had no authority to sit in the Directors box. He wants to watch the team HE resued along with the rest of the away support, whats the big deal, it wasn't an audience with...if people wanted to show their appreciation that's up to them...after all they had plenty to thank him for!!!!!!!
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
I have supported this club for many years and save the odd trip into the Polypipe Stand that's all you got from JR. Please name me one just one instance where JR actually listened and took action from a single or group of fans.
You don't have to think too long as there aren't many instances over many yearswhere that has actually happened.
Where has this myth come from ? Look I don't and never have had any problems with him as a person over the years but the Barnsley ''stunt''really pissed me off ..........it was the day that John Ryan FORGOT that DRFC belongs to the folk of Doncaster as it has for over a century and didn't belong to HIM.
Why oh why people fall for such stunts is beyond me ? They have for years and the gullibility goes on and on and on...................................RANT OVER
Remember that this club belongs to this town and not any individual. I thank JR for what all that he has done but am disappointed in his recent actions
My understanding is that during the early days of his time as chairman, he used to meet on a regular basis with Andy Liney and co to discuss supporters concerns.
As for his actions at Barnsley, what was he meant to do? He'd just resigned his position and therefore had no authority to sit in the Directors box. He wants to watch the team HE resued along with the rest of the away support, whats the big deal, it wasn't an audience with...if people wanted to show their appreciation that's up to them...after all they had plenty to thank him for!!!!!!!
Well nobody forced him to resign at that specific moment...
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
I have supported this club for many years and save the odd trip into the Polypipe Stand that's all you got from JR. Please name me one just one instance where JR actually listened and took action from a single or group of fans.
You don't have to think too long as there aren't many instances over many yearswhere that has actually happened.
Where has this myth come from ? Look I don't and never have had any problems with him as a person over the years but the Barnsley ''stunt''really pissed me off ..........it was the day that John Ryan FORGOT that DRFC belongs to the folk of Doncaster as it has for over a century and didn't belong to HIM.
Why oh why people fall for such stunts is beyond me ? They have for years and the gullibility goes on and on and on...................................RANT OVER
Remember that this club belongs to this town and not any individual. I thank JR for what all that he has done but am disappointed in his recent actions
My understanding is that during the early days of his time as chairman, he used to meet on a regular basis with Andy Liney and co to discuss supporters concerns.
As for his actions at Barnsley, what was he meant to do? He'd just resigned his position and therefore had no authority to sit in the Directors box. He wants to watch the team HE resued along with the rest of the away support, whats the big deal, it wasn't an audience with...if people wanted to show their appreciation that's up to them...after all they had plenty to thank him for!!!!!!!
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
I find your comments very wide of the mark. The best that we've had, in terms of a voice, has come through the IRWT project, and this has received nationwide acclaim for its wide ranging and, in some cases, groundbreaking ideas. It's Fan Engagement at its best.
But the people responsible for driving this and delivering this across all areas has been Gavin Baldwin and Shaun Lockwood, with great support from all Heads Of Departments.
I don't think John even knew we had this programme running.
How can JR not have known about it when he was present at several of the forums at the Keepmoat?
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
I find your comments very wide of the mark. The best that we've had, in terms of a voice, has come through the IRWT project, and this has received nationwide acclaim for its wide ranging and, in some cases, groundbreaking ideas. It's Fan Engagement at its best.
But the people responsible for driving this and delivering this across all areas has been Gavin Baldwin and Shaun Lockwood, with great support from all Heads Of Departments.
I don't think John even knew we had this programme running.
How can JR not have known about it when he was present at several of the forums at the Keepmoat?
John turned up for the 'meet the owners' events but I was talking about IRWT, and he never turned up for any of those meetings.
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
I find your comments very wide of the mark. The best that we've had, in terms of a voice, has come through the IRWT project, and this has received nationwide acclaim for its wide ranging and, in some cases, groundbreaking ideas. It's Fan Engagement at its best.
But the people responsible for driving this and delivering this across all areas has been Gavin Baldwin and Shaun Lockwood, with great support from all Heads Of Departments.
I don't think John even knew we had this programme running.
How can JR not have known about it when he was present at several of the forums at the Keepmoat?
John turned up for the 'meet the owners' events but I was talking about IRWT, and he never turned up for any of those meetings.
Yes, but from my memory, IRWT was discussed at the 'meet the owners' events. I was at one where Mark Bradley was talking about it, and JR was in attendance at that event. So JR must have been aware of it.
So according to SM JR didn't know about IRWT?
But JR was at the meet the owners meeting where IRWT discussed?
Something isn't quite right there.
Before we go any further , I want to make it quite clear that I have never been an anti-JR person . In fact I along with most Rovers supporters admired the way he fought to drag this club from 3rd/4th level non_achievers over the last 50/60 years to a club that could compete at 2nd/3rd tier regularly. No-one can take that away from him and DW/TB in latter years. This could never have been achieved without the financing of the 'KM2' and I don't think that they were ever given or sought any credit from our supporters......it was all achieved by JR as many thought and still think.
There had to be a day when they would eventually seek to become more involved in the direction that the club moved in and that's what caused the rift. First there was their obvious objection to the 'experiment' and latterly to the terms and conditions of the SC bid for ownership.
For the first time , JR sought to use the press and the fans to balance up his loss of control in the Boardroom to get his way. That could only lead to one eventual conclusion I.e his ultimate defeat. Rather than go down as the retiring magnificent Chairman he or rather his advisors elected to have him 'showboat' at Barnsley and that will unfortunately tarnish his image to many.
However overall he was a magnificent Chairman and supporter of his 'hometown' club who masterminded and cemented hopefully forever his club from being a 5th tier /nigh non-existent club to a 2nd/3rd tier club.
In terms of the way the money is distributed in modern football in this country that is a magnificent achievement for both him and DW/TB without whom it would never have been financially possible.
They will of course leave their own legacies in good time but never forget that it was JR who invited them ( and their money) to share his vision.
SM said he thinks JR doesn't even know we have the scheme. Others are entitled to disagree.
Before we go any further , I want to make it quite clear that I have never been an anti-JR person . In fact I along with most Rovers supporters admired the way he fought to drag this club from 3rd/4th level non_achievers over the last 50/60 years to a club that could compete at 2nd/3rd tier regularly. No-one can take that away from him and DW/TB in latter years. This could never have been achieved without the financing of the 'KM2' and I don't think that they were ever given or sought any credit from our supporters......it was all achieved by JR as many thought and still think.
There had to be a day when they would eventually seek to become more involved in the direction that the club moved in and that's what caused the rift. First there was their obvious objection to the 'experiment' and latterly to the terms and conditions of the SC bid for ownership.
For the first time , JR sought to use the press and the fans to balance up his loss of control in the Boardroom to get his way. That could only lead to one eventual conclusion I.e his ultimate defeat. Rather than go down as the retiring magnificent Chairman he or rather his advisors elected to have him 'showboat' at Barnsley and that will unfortunately tarnish his image to many.
However overall he was a magnificent Chairman and supporter of his 'hometown' club who masterminded and cemented hopefully forever his club from being a 5th tier /nigh non-existent club to a 2nd/3rd tier club.
In terms of the way the money is distributed in modern football in this country that is a magnificent achievement for both him and DW/TB without whom it would never have been financially possible.
They will of course leave their own legacies in good time but never forget that it was JR who invited them ( and their money) to share his vision.
Were they actually on the board when we played our first championship game at Derby?
As fans we never had a say on how the club should run but we seemed to have voice and and ear in JR and that has been silenced with his resignation . I doubt we can expect to
Have much of an input apart from how we want to pay for our season ticket . Those who in the past gave credit to JR for all the clubs success may find the new management a little deaf from now on. IMO of course . Just incase there listening.
I find your comments very wide of the mark. The best that we've had, in terms of a voice, has come through the IRWT project, and this has received nationwide acclaim for its wide ranging and, in some cases, groundbreaking ideas. It's Fan Engagement at its best.
But the people responsible for driving this and delivering this across all areas has been Gavin Baldwin and Shaun Lockwood, with great support from all Heads Of Departments.
I don't think John even knew we had this programme running.
How can JR not have known about it when he was present at several of the forums at the Keepmoat?
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/902174228Before we go any further , I want to make it quite clear that I have never been an anti-JR person . In fact I along with most Rovers supporters admired the way he fought to drag this club from 3rd/4th level non_achievers over the last 50/60 years to a club that could compete at 2nd/3rd tier regularly. No-one can take that away from him and DW/TB in latter years. This could never have been achieved without the financing of the 'KM2' and I don't think that they were ever given or sought any credit from our supporters......it was all achieved by JR as many thought and still think.
There had to be a day when they would eventually seek to become more involved in the direction that the club moved in and that's what caused the rift. First there was their obvious objection to the 'experiment' and latterly to the terms and conditions of the SC bid for ownership.
For the first time , JR sought to use the press and the fans to balance up his loss of control in the Boardroom to get his way. That could only lead to one eventual conclusion I.e his ultimate defeat. Rather than go down as the retiring magnificent Chairman he or rather his advisors elected to have him 'showboat' at Barnsley and that will unfortunately tarnish his image to many.
However overall he was a magnificent Chairman and supporter of his 'hometown' club who masterminded and cemented hopefully forever his club from being a 5th tier /nigh non-existent club to a 2nd/3rd tier club.
In terms of the way the money is distributed in modern football in this country that is a magnificent achievement for both him and DW/TB without whom it would never have been financially possible.
They will of course leave their own legacies in good time but never forget that it was JR who invited them ( and their money) to share his vision.
Were they actually on the board when we played our first championship game at Derby?
Andy Liney pointed out on the old forum that JR couldnt attempt a challenge at getting to the Championship or staying there out of his own pocket.this fact has been forgotten by many
I said he wasn't at any of the IRWT meetings, being difficult again by any chance?
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/902174228Before we go any further , I want to make it quite clear that I have never been an anti-JR person . In fact I along with most Rovers supporters admired the way he fought to drag this club from 3rd/4th level non_achievers over the last 50/60 years to a club that could compete at 2nd/3rd tier regularly. No-one can take that away from him and DW/TB in latter years. This could never have been achieved without the financing of the 'KM2' and I don't think that they were ever given or sought any credit from our supporters......it was all achieved by JR as many thought and still think.
There had to be a day when they would eventually seek to become more involved in the direction that the club moved in and that's what caused the rift. First there was their obvious objection to the 'experiment' and latterly to the terms and conditions of the SC bid for ownership.
For the first time , JR sought to use the press and the fans to balance up his loss of control in the Boardroom to get his way. That could only lead to one eventual conclusion I.e his ultimate defeat. Rather than go down as the retiring magnificent Chairman he or rather his advisors elected to have him 'showboat' at Barnsley and that will unfortunately tarnish his image to many.
However overall he was a magnificent Chairman and supporter of his 'hometown' club who masterminded and cemented hopefully forever his club from being a 5th tier /nigh non-existent club to a 2nd/3rd tier club.
In terms of the way the money is distributed in modern football in this country that is a magnificent achievement for both him and DW/TB without whom it would never have been financially possible.
They will of course leave their own legacies in good time but never forget that it was JR who invited them ( and their money) to share his vision.
Were they actually on the board when we played our first championship game at Derby?
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/900564488
Yes they were. They joined the Board in Nov 2006. Just as we started pouring money into building O'Driscoll's side.
Draw your own conclusions.
Before we go any further , I want to make it quite clear that I have never been an anti-JR person . In fact I along with most Rovers supporters admired the way he fought to drag this club from 3rd/4th level non_achievers over the last 50/60 years to a club that could compete at 2nd/3rd tier regularly. No-one can take that away from him and DW/TB in latter years. This could never have been achieved without the financing of the 'KM2' and I don't think that they were ever given or sought any credit from our supporters......it was all achieved by JR as many thought and still think.
There had to be a day when they would eventually seek to become more involved in the direction that the club moved in and that's what caused the rift. First there was their obvious objection to the 'experiment' and latterly to the terms and conditions of the SC bid for ownership.
For the first time , JR sought to use the press and the fans to balance up his loss of control in the Boardroom to get his way. That could only lead to one eventual conclusion I.e his ultimate defeat. Rather than go down as the retiring magnificent Chairman he or rather his advisors elected to have him 'showboat' at Barnsley and that will unfortunately tarnish his image to many.
However overall he was a magnificent Chairman and supporter of his 'hometown' club who masterminded and cemented hopefully forever his club from being a 5th tier /nigh non-existent club to a 2nd/3rd tier club.
In terms of the way the money is distributed in modern football in this country that is a magnificent achievement for both him and DW/TB without whom it would never have been financially possible.
They will of course leave their own legacies in good time but never forget that it was JR who invited them ( and their money) to share his vision.
Were they actually on the board when we played our first championship game at Derby?
I would need to check that savvy but we could all go on forever 'picking pieces ' out of each other' s posts. The point is I too admired the man for his early achievements particularly.
The point of my post is the 'sustainability' we have now achieved and for that we must all thank the 3 of them and all the other shareholders who chipped in to make it all possible.
Before we go any further , I want to make it quite clear that I have never been an anti-JR person . In fact I along with most Rovers supporters admired the way he fought to drag this club from 3rd/4th level non_achievers over the last 50/60 years to a club that could compete at 2nd/3rd tier regularly. No-one can take that away from him and DW/TB in latter years. This could never have been achieved without the financing of the 'KM2' and I don't think that they were ever given or sought any credit from our supporters......it was all achieved by JR as many thought and still think.
There had to be a day when they would eventually seek to become more involved in the direction that the club moved in and that's what caused the rift. First there was their obvious objection to the 'experiment' and latterly to the terms and conditions of the SC bid for ownership.
For the first time , JR sought to use the press and the fans to balance up his loss of control in the Boardroom to get his way. That could only lead to one eventual conclusion I.e his ultimate defeat. Rather than go down as the retiring magnificent Chairman he or rather his advisors elected to have him 'showboat' at Barnsley and that will unfortunately tarnish his image to many.
However overall he was a magnificent Chairman and supporter of his 'hometown' club who masterminded and cemented hopefully forever his club from being a 5th tier /nigh non-existent club to a 2nd/3rd tier club.
In terms of the way the money is distributed in modern football in this country that is a magnificent achievement for both him and DW/TB without whom it would never have been financially possible.
They will of course leave their own legacies in good time but never forget that it was JR who invited them ( and their money) to share his vision.
Were they actually on the board when we played our first championship game at Derby?
I would need to check that savvy but we could all go on forever 'picking pieces ' out of each other' s posts. The point is I too admired the man for his early achievements particularly.
The point of my post is the 'sustainability' we have now achieved and for that we must all thank the 3 of them and all the other shareholders who chipped in to make it all possible.
Hoola, What do you mean "sustainability" and I'll thank all 3 when I think they have done something to thank them for! Keeping us in this division would be a great start!!!
Hoola, in your previous post, you refer to "the sustainability we have achieved" and now you say sustainability should be an aim and that we are nowhere near achieving it, so I feel sure you can understand my point?
Your right, I haven't posted for sometime, but I'm sure you'll remember sometime ago when I was questioning why they had joined the board and their motives in the first place. I have witnessed nothing to change my mind thus far from Terry Tactile and the Dinosaur, but as John Ryan stated in his interview its over to them now to run the ship and certainly up to January they have a window of opportunity to dis-credit him. Having alluded to the fact that they see our future in the lower reaches, they could make some funds available that would indicate their willingness to keep the club in this division! So I'm sure you can see why in my opinion the jury is still out? I'll be the first to congratulate them if they manage to keep us in the division and eat a large slice of humble pie, but let's just see how this pans out eh?
Hoola, in your previous post, you refer to "the sustainability we have achieved" and now you say sustainability should be an aim and that we are nowhere near achieving it, so I feel sure you can understand my point?
Your right, I haven't posted for sometime, but I'm sure you'll remember sometime ago when I was questioning why they had joined the board and their motives in the first place. I have witnessed nothing to change my mind thus far from Terry Tactile and the Dinosaur, but as John Ryan stated in his interview its over to them now to run the ship and certainly up to January they have a window of opportunity to dis-credit him. Having alluded to the fact that they see our future in the lower reaches, they could make some funds available that would indicate their willingness to keep the club in this division! So I'm sure you can see why in my opinion the jury is still out? I'll be the first to congratulate them if they manage to keep us in the division and eat a large slice of humble pie, but let's just see how this pans out eh?
You lost any further chance of a sensible adult debate with your childish ''Terry Tactile and the Dinosaur'' comment. :blink:
Hoola, in your previous post, you refer to "the sustainability we have achieved" and now you say sustainability should be an aim and that we are nowhere near achieving it, so I feel sure you can understand my point?
Your right, I haven't posted for sometime, but I'm sure you'll remember sometime ago when I was questioning why they had joined the board and their motives in the first place. I have witnessed nothing to change my mind thus far from Terry Tactile and the Dinosaur, but as John Ryan stated in his interview its over to them now to run the ship and certainly up to January they have a window of opportunity to dis-credit him. Having alluded to the fact that they see our future in the lower reaches, they could make some funds available that would indicate their willingness to keep the club in this division! So I'm sure you can see why in my opinion the jury is still out? I'll be the first to congratulate them if they manage to keep us in the division and eat a large slice of humble pie, but let's just see how this pans out eh?
You lost any further chance of a sensible adult debate with your childish ''Terry Tactile and the Dinosaur'' comment. :blink:
Thanks for those few kind words!!
Billy, don't be daft man, he'll get his money back because what he's put in will be in the form of loans, some with interest, and probably some without!!!! Not a particularly difficult mechanism to work out eh?
Having alluded to the fact that they see our future in the lower reaches
Hoola, in your previous post, you refer to "the sustainability we have achieved" and now you say sustainability should be an aim and that we are nowhere near achieving it, so I feel sure you can understand my point?
Your right, I haven't posted for sometime, but I'm sure you'll remember sometime ago when I was questioning why they had joined the board and their motives in the first place. I have witnessed nothing to change my mind thus far from Terry Tactile and the Dinosaur, but as John Ryan stated in his interview its over to them now to run the ship and certainly up to January they have a window of opportunity to dis-credit him. Having alluded to the fact that they see our future in the lower reaches, they could make some funds available that would indicate their willingness to keep the club in this division! So I'm sure you can see why in my opinion the jury is still out? I'll be the first to congratulate them if they manage to keep us in the division and eat a large slice of humble pie, but let's just see how this pans out eh?
You lost any further chance of a sensible adult debate with your childish ''Terry Tactile and the Dinosaur'' comment. :blink:
Thanks for those few kind words!!Billy, don't be daft man, he'll get his money back because what he's put in will be in the form of loans, some with interest, and probably some without!!!! Not a particularly difficult mechanism to work out eh?
No different to John Ryan and not all are loans as demonstrated by the accounts, I really don't see how this back and forth bitching is helping the Club, Support, sanity and morale of those who post on here (not directed at you savvy) lets see how we progress before making assumptions as to where we go next shall we.
QuoteHaving alluded to the fact that they see our future in the lower reaches
Got to pick you up on that one. It was JR who made the insinuation. Now why would he do that?
Anyway. Pigged off that this thread it's well passed its sell by date.
As JR said "Let someone else have a go".
But lets not forget that 15 or so years ago, John Ryan took a punt, a risk, with no guarantees, he managed to turn the club around put it back on its feet and supported the club with funds at a time when no fecker else was interested in doing so. Over the 15 years in charge, he did everything that he said he would
John Ryan's stated aim before they came onto the board was Championship football, so I've no doubt in my mind that we would have made it there without these two in any event!
Savvy
One is a sell out. He's just turned that down.
Savvy
One is a sell out. He's just turned that down.
I understand it was a close call.
Lets wait and see shall we.
John Ryan's stated aim before they came onto the board was Championship football, so I've no doubt in my mind that we would have made it there without these two in any event!
What makes you so sure of that Savvy? JR wanted Championship football but he was struggling to finance it. Would he have just decided to dig a lot deeper to make it happen?
Lets wait and see shall we.
Long wait......and I don't have forever
Lets wait and see shall we.
Long wait......and I don't have forever
You really are very sure of yourself aren't you?
Why not just sit back enjoy what is happening on the field and let the financial side of things take care of themselves.
If something happens so be it.
If not then you will be happy but do you/we really need to keep going round and round in circles about something NONE of us know for certain.
Lets wait and see shall we.
Long wait......and I don't have forever
You really are very sure of yourself aren't you?
Why not just sit back enjoy what is happening on the field and let the financial side of things take care of themselves.
If something happens so be it.
If not then you will be happy but do you/we really need to keep going round and round in circles about something NONE of us know for certain.
No just running out of time.