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Did they all get straight Reds?
Quote from: Al4475 on February 09, 2014, 08:25:45 amDid they all get straight Reds? No ... the Ref did not see either of the other offencesA sly little kick by YT which he will probably have to account for and Bellamy a sly raised forearm/elbow which he too will get an FA call aboutThen all 3 probably WILL have been treated with parity
Bellamy and YaYa both been done.
this all comes back to referees being made to look like they untouchable.in american football a refereeing decision can be challenged if a coach thinks they have got a decision wrong. so the ref quickly reviews the incident from various camera angles, and in 99% of cases the decision is clear cut and he overturns the decision if it was wrong. The referees don't get embarrased, their refereeing association doesn't get embarrassed, people make mistakes and everyone moves on. The FA are so scared of making refs look bad they'd rather not overturn a decision. It's frankly ridiculous.Everyone can see that Toure lashed out. Whether or not it was a hard kick is immaterial; the intent was there and he broke the rules. So how does he get away with it? Is it a co-incidence he plays for man city - one of the biggest (and richest) clubs in the country? I think not...
Quote from: bobjimwilly on February 11, 2014, 09:39:24 amthis all comes back to referees being made to look like they untouchable.in american football a refereeing decision can be challenged if a coach thinks they have got a decision wrong. so the ref quickly reviews the incident from various camera angles, and in 99% of cases the decision is clear cut and he overturns the decision if it was wrong. The referees don't get embarrased, their refereeing association doesn't get embarrassed, people make mistakes and everyone moves on. The FA are so scared of making refs look bad they'd rather not overturn a decision. It's frankly ridiculous.Everyone can see that Toure lashed out. Whether or not it was a hard kick is immaterial; the intent was there and he broke the rules. So how does he get away with it? Is it a co-incidence he plays for man city - one of the biggest (and richest) clubs in the country? I think not...You think the reason he hasnt been banned is because he plays for the richest team in league? Or am i reading it wrong?If thats what youre implying to. Thats 'frankly ridiculous'ft
Graham Poll explains the process:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2556256/GRAHAM-POLL-Deciding-charge-Craig-Bellamy-let-Yaya-Toure-secret-vote-gang-three.html
Quote from: The Red Baron on February 11, 2014, 10:31:25 amGraham Poll explains the process:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2556256/GRAHAM-POLL-Deciding-charge-Craig-Bellamy-let-Yaya-Toure-secret-vote-gang-three.htmlSo 3 former refs are asked their opinion by way of watch a video in the comfort of their own home? Hmmm no chance at all then for these refs to be good friends with anyone at any of the top clubs...What is obvious is that at least one of them is blind... or bent...
Quote from: bobjimwilly on February 11, 2014, 01:36:41 pmQuote from: The Red Baron on February 11, 2014, 10:31:25 amGraham Poll explains the process:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2556256/GRAHAM-POLL-Deciding-charge-Craig-Bellamy-let-Yaya-Toure-secret-vote-gang-three.htmlSo 3 former refs are asked their opinion by way of watch a video in the comfort of their own home? Hmmm no chance at all then for these refs to be good friends with anyone at any of the top clubs...What is obvious is that at least one of them is blind... or bent...You need to get out more.
BCSNot sure what you mean there. Carroll committed a red card offence. His red card was upheld. Flores, at worst, committed a yellow card offence. Clearly the processes for retrospectively assessing yellow card offences do not exist. Would you prefer that they did? Because I suggest that there would be 100 cases a week to look at if so. Injustices happen. Mostly they are not very big ones. Prior to the tyranny of the slo-mo from every angle, we used to just get on with the game and not lose too much sleep over these things. But nowadays of course, it suits the papers and the broadcasters to keep a 24/7 discussion of every minor incident on the boil.
I agree that simulation is a scourge. That said, so is pulling shirts on the blind side when a corner comes over. It's at least (probably more) as far up the cheating scale as simulation. The point is, where do you stop once you start retrospectively looking at yellow card offences? What about deliberate obstruction? Deliberate handball? Deliberately tripping someone? Those are all cheating. Trouble is, as I said, if you start retrospectively looking at every one of those cases, the system grinds to a halt. And if you only look at SOME of those cases, you don't have the rigour that you seem to crave.As for the Carroll case, as someone (maybe you) pointed out earlier, Poll claims that he and three ex-refs all thought it was a clear red card and a correct decision. Looks like the tired and trusted English way of muddling through on pragmatic terms and not worrying about the hypothetical has worked again. Reminds me of the French diplomat who complained about the British approach at Versailles. He said (reputedly) "You're approach is all well and good in practice, but I don't think it will work in theory." But you'll probably think that is a, what was it? Tired old cliche?
Alex Pearce for Reading has had his red card upheld
I would stop at simulation for the very same reason they do in Scotland - it's a deliberate attempt to deceive the referee. A concerted effort to trick the ref into making the incorrect decision. In my book, the sort of stuff of the morally bankrupt. To me, all the other stuff is foul play, and part and parcel of the normal disciplinary process.