Brexit deal

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BST, I dont see how anyone could on that point.

I have seen your other response btw, I'll reply shortly but manflu, first week back at work prior to leaving next week plus a 3 week old baby is not a good recipe.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You have my sympathy BFYP. Mrs S-T and I both got horrendous flu when our youngest was born. Not fun. Good luck with the bairn and the illness. And ignore me!

[DonnyOsmond]

Looks like the brakes have been cut and we're hurtling down the road about to crash.

What's everyone's predictions? Recession or a utopia?

[BillyStubbsTears]

People you don't see much these days...

You don't...I mean he's not very...he used to be all the time but now...

Ok. What the f**k has happened to David Davis?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mr_PAULOT/status/1181331088314109952

He used to be so.... important. And full of opinions. About Europe. Begging us for a deal.

I'm worried for him. He's awfully quiet these days

[Donnywolf]

...... as is Weasel Fox and Grayling (went to Rotherham last night Failing Grayling on a failing Pacer Train)

Where are they now ?

[DonnyOsmond]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/britain-toilet-roll-stockpiles-brexit-164504568.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL2RZNVZrYTY3eXk_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEqwTxsmf9JNl6otPZVaHHV3G1u9UCJFx_u8_dfWjfJ7SVCauxRK62Xooi0rB-sVO-E7DLyF7Q9zhwyyhm1hqMiRq-Kz1j7AbpSTyxYc0UfIJB7dgT4pHX4Qt8y_bjjmogToGwvEe_Ntvm5TKHywSihXbVciSOAeOIK27zX2b4TZ

We'll run out of loo roll with no deal.

Can we do a nationwide poll and anyone who wants no deal Brexit has to deal with the shit. Us that never asked to be poorer get the good stuff.

[GazLaz]

And when the reckoning comes, this Kitson, this disgusting, horrible, evil bas**rd Banks will be the perfect example of how this country lost its soul.

Just look at the filth his and Farage's Leave.EU are pumping out today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Arron_banks/status/1181599586672156672

It's 20-f**king-19. Who sees this, 75 years after the fighting stopped and feels anything but revulsion?

And when you've got a repulsive rabble rouser like Morgan telling you you've gone too far...

Anyone, ANYONE who supports the Brexit Party is putting themselves in line with this shit. Take a look at yourselves and ask where your souls are.

I thought that poster was fake. Banks’ response definitely isn’t is it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No Gaz. It's a genuine poster from Leave.EU.

They've deleted it now. Because it drew too much negative comment, not because they don't believe what they were saying.

Not a word of condemnation or apology from Farage. Or from the Faragists in here for that matter.

[Not Now Kato]

Here's an experiment for all you Brexiters....
 
1. Think of a destination
2. get in a taxi
3. scream "LEAVE" at the taxi driver
4. when asked "where to" by the driver scream "JUST GET IT DONE"
5. Let me know where you end up.

[Filo]

Here's an experiment for all you Brexiters....
 
1. Think of a destination
2. get in a taxi
3. scream "LEAVE" at the taxi driver
4. when asked "where to" by the driver scream "JUST GET IT DONE"
5. Let me know where you end up.

I’m a taxi driver, I’d just throw the nutter out 😀

[Donnywolf]

Once again I despair of all the rubbish that is spouted by each of the Leave and Remain protagonists

I desperately hope we get a second (really third) Referendum and vote to stay in the EU. I know a lot of people who voted Leave would be miffed and I would feel sorry for them ....BUT ....

... as Kevin Keegan said I would love it just love it seeing all these supposed "Leaders" and luminaries going apopletic when they realise the thing they have schemed and cheated and lied for had GONE for at least 2 generations

[BigH]

...... as is Weasel Fox and Grayling (went to Rotherham last night Failing Grayling on a failing Pacer Train)

Where are they now ?

And Rees-Mogg's gone a bit quiet too hasn't he. Since he got a proper job in Government rather than being free to snipe and plot from the sidelines.

Or it could be that he's had his arse kicked for that humungous f-up over the prorogation that never was.

[bpoolrover]

Once again I despair of all the rubbish that is spouted by each of the Leave and Remain protagonists

I desperately hope we get a second (really third) Referendum and vote to stay in the EU. I know a lot of people who voted Leave would be miffed and I would feel sorry for them ....BUT ....

... as Kevin Keegan said I would love it just love it seeing all these supposed "Leaders" and luminaries going apopletic when they realise the thing they have schemed and cheated and lied for had GONE for at least 2 generations

we only had a once in a generation vote 3 years ago thou!

[SydneyRover]

Read this article and tell us how we are better off out of the EU and while you're at it think of the complete nutters like farage, johnson and trump that will say and do anything to tip the balance to their own favour. Trump has already restarted one war and it doesn't take too much imagination to believe that he could change legislation to allow him to make a nuclear decision alone.

'First world war's Pompeii': burial for British soldiers found in Flemish field

Ceremony marks end of archaeological dig that unearthed web of tunnels and remains of 110 men

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/10/first-world-wars-pompeii-burial-for-british-soldiers-found-in-flemish-field

[SydneyRover]

Voting for brexit is voting for an open season for carpetbaggers as they hang around like piranha in the sewers.

''Dominic Cummings accused of conflict of interest over NHS fund

Boris Johnson’s aide was consultant for AI startup that could win share of £250m fund''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/11/dominic-cummings-accused-of-conflict-of-interest-over-nhs-fund

[selby]

  I hope that most of you  do realise, that if Bojo does get a deal over the line, and the markets are looking like it is feasible, that is the opposition parties finished for quite a while.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

  I hope that most of you  do realise, that if Bojo does get a deal over the line, and the markets are looking like it is feasible, that is the opposition parties finished for quite a while.

I would suggest the movement in the markets are signalling something is in the offing, they seem quite buoyant.  Big week coming up but that there is complete silence from number 10 suggests they want something done, then the question to all MP's is if they want it finishing or whether they say no again!

[BillyStubbsTears]

If he gets a deal sorted I'll take my hat off to him. But I just don;t see it. You still have the two immovable objects.

1) The EU will not allow a deal that doesnt have a long term guarantee of a frictionless Irish border. That requires either a backstp type agreement, or the whole UK staying in the CU.

2) That is simply not acceptable to 10 DUP MPs and a couple or three dozen ERG Tory MPs. So, unless the ERG really WERE bullshitting in their opposition to May's deal (which 1, above would effectively be, as Wilts has pointed out) just to have a far-right coup of the Tory party, then that deal could not get through Parliament. There is no way any Labour MP with an ounce of self respect will vote for Johnson's deal (if he pulls one off) because he's deleted all clauses on us retaining the same workers' and environmental standards as the EU. And of course, if Johnson does get a May-type deal through, he's massively vulnerable to Farage's attack dogs after giving us what Farage would call a betrayal of Brexit.

My take is that this is all positioning before the final collapse of the negotiations. Cummings let the cat out of the bag early this week, in saying that the negotiations had ended. But both Johnson and the EU want to be seen to be positive right up to the final moment, so they can both say "Well, WE wanted a deal" when it falls apart and we're in 100% crisis mode this time next week.

I might be wrong, but that's the only explanation that makes any sense at the moment.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Handy for me that the markets have responded well. I'm off to the USA with work next week and the Pound has jumped 5% against the dollar in the last 36 hours. Time to get my dollars this weekend I think.

[idler]

  I hope that most of you  do realise, that if Bojo does get a deal over the line, and the markets are looking like it is feasible, that is the opposition parties finished for quite a while.

I would suggest the movement in the markets are signalling something is in the offing, they seem quite buoyant.  Big week coming up but that there is complete silence from number 10 suggests they want something done, then the question to all MP's is if they want it finishing or whether they say no again!

It's surely too complex than just to say let's finish it?
Both sides should want the best possible outcome for the future whether it's in or out of the EU.
I have no confidence in anybody that I have seen so far getting us a good trade deal.

[SydneyRover]

''What does the Johnson-Varadkar Brexit statement mean?

Andrew Sparrow dissects the leaders’ joint statement to find no one is ready to give up yet''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/10/what-does-the-johnson-varadkar-brexit-statement-mean

[ravenrover]

  I hope that most of you  do realise, that if Bojo does get a deal over the line, and the markets are looking like it is feasible, that is the opposition parties finished for quite a while.

Were they ever starters?

[Sprotyrover]

The events occurring on the South Eastern Turkish Border will be having a profound effect on the Bureacrats in Brussels They have tried to threaten Erdogan and suddenly the situation has actually dawned on them!
Erdogan doesn't give a chuff about what the EU has to say, all they can do is threaten him, he turned around and bluntly told them to get ready to receive Three and a half million refugees.
He has got a massive military capability which dwarfs the Eu Armed force.
Because without the UK element they are nothing! French, German, Dutch, Spanish , Italians Armed Forces are under strength under staffed , under equipped and under trained.
They must be shuddering in their Boots in Brussels, suddenly all of the attempts to bully The British Goverment and British People have bitten them on the bottom,We have every right to turn our backs away!. Let them sort The Turks out! By causing all of the recent grief they have lost a very powerful  friend and Ally. The much vaunted 'EU' armed Force is nothing without the UK element. And no we won't have to take a massive Quota of Refugees forced on us by Brussels ! British Lads and Lasses will not be sacrificed at the whim of some bourgeois Twit from some country the size of one of our smaller Counties.
It's going to cost them Several hundred Million Euros to sort their years of underspending and under investing in defence.
It will be interesting to see how 'cheeky' they are in the upcoming weeks.
I bet Boris Johnson is wetting his pants laughing at them!

[Glyn_Wigley]

  I hope that most of you  do realise, that if Bojo does get a deal over the line, and the markets are looking like it is feasible, that is the opposition parties finished for quite a while.

You do know that the economy is still going to take a hit with a deal, just not as big as if there would be with No Deal, don't you?

[selby]

Glyn so they say, what I do know is whatever the markets do. it is an opportunity for people with money to make money, what you are saying is guess work, other people with the assets to do something about it will really make the decisions.
  My long term tip will be a run on the Euro,

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

  I hope that most of you  do realise, that if Bojo does get a deal over the line, and the markets are looking like it is feasible, that is the opposition parties finished for quite a while.

You do know that the economy is still going to take a hit with a deal, just not as big as if there would be with No Deal, don't you?

Glyn, we will see on that. The remainers had us believe wed have been in a huge recession by now with wide scale unemployment. It is yet to appear.

Nobody in any circumstances should wish for it, we should want the best whatever outcome....

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP.

You do financial numbers for a living so I'm sure you know that we've had a massive economic slowdown compared to other G7 countries since the 2016 vote. We've lost something like £100bn in economic output as a result.

It doesn't help the standard of the debate when people who should know this are blissfully unaware of the damage that this disaster has already wreaked.

[Glyn_Wigley]

  I hope that most of you  do realise, that if Bojo does get a deal over the line, and the markets are looking like it is feasible, that is the opposition parties finished for quite a while.

You do know that the economy is still going to take a hit with a deal, just not as big as if there would be with No Deal, don't you?

Glyn, we will see on that. The remainers had us believe wed have been in a huge recession by now with wide scale unemployment. It is yet to appear.

Nobody in any circumstances should wish for it, we should want the best whatever outcome....

Anyone who bothers to look properly will already know it's reality, and we haven't even left yet.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Glyn so they say, what I do know is whatever the markets do. it is an opportunity for people with money to make money, what you are saying is guess work, other people with the assets to do something about it will really make the decisions.
  My long term tip will be a run on the Euro,

So my twenty-years-worth of specialised knowledge of Customs procedures - and from that what I know British businesses are going to have to pay more to import and export and that it is going to be much harder to make sales to 60+ countries the second we leave the EU and Customs borders go up - count for nothing...and you have the brass neck to maintain I'm just guessing. Piss off.

[BigH]

  I hope that most of you  do realise, that if Bojo does get a deal over the line, and the markets are looking like it is feasible, that is the opposition parties finished for quite a while.

I would suggest the movement in the markets are signalling something is in the offing, they seem quite buoyant.  Big week coming up but that there is complete silence from number 10 suggests they want something done, then the question to all MP's is if they want it finishing or whether they say no again!

It's surely too complex than just to say let's finish it?
Both sides should want the best possible outcome for the future whether it's in or out of the EU.
I have no confidence in anybody that I have seen so far getting us a good trade deal.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, if Johnson did sort a deal it would "not be the end, nor the beginning of the end. But it might, perhaps, be the end of the beginning".

Irrespective of the deal that gets struck, this country would be in for a serious period of economic adjustment - 5-10 years at least in my view - as it tries to recover the lost opportunity cost of being a full member of the EU.