Brexit deal

[Hounslowrover]

No, Cameron put us in this mess, May is probably number two, but whichever Tory followed him had an impossible job. Not excusing May, she is poor.

[albie]

Over to speaker John Bercow;
https://news.sky.com/story/an-ancient-rule-means-bercow-could-take-drastic-action-on-brexit-11664555

Rules eh!

[Donnywolf]

It would be great if he intervened - as long as he did it within  the rules of precedent which are clearly there when you read the article above

He would get "slaughtered" but surely he would be acting more honourably than May offering the DUP even more money to support her third and maybe 4th attemps and THEM (the DUP) for even considering taking it

One thing that I would not blame the DUP for is to take the money and then abstain / vote against MV3 - I would probably die laughing

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see Nigel's Protest March is going well then.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1106882125574402049

[Glyn_Wigley]

I see Nigel's Protest March is going well then.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1106882125574402049

They're not marching all the way. They're cgoing to be transported during the night ie they're going to start each day miles ahead of where they finish the day before.

And despite Nigel promises of marching the whole thing he's not even going to be doing more than photo ops with the real marchers before going off to count their donations. I do hope someone is going to record exactly how far he walks!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye.

Old Nige eh?

He talks the talk but...

[Not Now Kato]

It isn't its the minority shouting there mouths of but a vote is a vote is a vote END OF weather you like it or not

Try telling that to TM.  She's put her deal forward for Parliament to vote on twice, (in a matter of weeks), and it's been defeated twice - yet she intends to put it forward AGAIN next week!  Oh, and Parliament knew what they were voting for - you didn't when you voted Leave!
 
What's good for the goose eh?

[MachoMadness]

I see Nigel's Protest March is going well then.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1106882125574402049

They're not marching all the way. They're cgoing to be transported during the night ie they're going to start each day miles ahead of where they finish the day before.

And despite Nigel promises of marching the whole thing he's not even going to be doing more than photo ops with the real marchers before going off to count their donations. I do hope someone is going to record exactly how far he walks!

So what you're saying is it's a bit of a mess, no one really knows what they're doing, it's built on lies, and Nigel Farage f**ks off long before it's done. Sounds familiar.

[Donnywolf]

It isn't its the minority shouting there mouths of but a vote is a vote is a vote END OF weather you like it or not

True and you may have seen me post this before on here

A vote is a vote is a vote - so what happened in 1976 ? 66% voted Remain 34 % voted Leave. Thats a 10 times bigger majority than 2016

The Tory euro sceptics never respected it and their spawn are still at it 40 years later
So is that a vote you accept whether you voted for Leave or Remain ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You remember when folk have said that if The Will of The People is not carried out, there'll be riots?

I think they are forgetting that we're British.

This is how Nigel's current attempt at a Mussolini-style March On London is going.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1107214750532947968

And if course, coward and charlatan that he is, he's f**ked off and washed his hands of it.

[wilts rover]

The first civil rights march in history to be campaigning for higher unemployment and poorer working conditions.

Still looks a better day for it....

[Glyn_Wigley]

You remember when folk have said that if The Will of The People is not carried out, there'll be riots?

I think they are forgetting that we're British.

This is how Nigel's current attempt at a Mussolini-style March On London is going.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1107214750532947968

And if course, coward and charlatan that he is, he's f**ked off and washed his hands of it.

I bet he doesn't give them their money back!

[SydneyRover]

Brexit: ''Not too late for real change to PM's deal'' - Johnson

He's always had a tenuous grip on reality.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47607186

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/woodgnomology/status/1107245529568813058

So why IS Labour MP Kate Hoey supporting Brexit?

[wing commander]

   Absolutely shocking..

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/54516037_2296730213915115_4759558108886335488_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=d99b2cb2c236ae050e3a8c90786d19af&oe=5D020896

[RedJ]

   Absolutely shocking..

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/54516037_2296730213915115_4759558108886335488_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=d99b2cb2c236ae050e3a8c90786d19af&oe=5D020896

What does it say? looks dodgy as f**k, that link.

[wing commander]

  it's a link to Ian Lucas Mp Twitter page were he answers a question put to him by one of his constituents.The links fine and safe by the way..

[BillyStubbsTears]

   Absolutely shocking..

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/54516037_2296730213915115_4759558108886335488_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=d99b2cb2c236ae050e3a8c90786d19af&oe=5D020896

Lucas is being stupidly blunt but he is technically correct.

We elect MPs to study, debate and decide on complex issues that we don't have the time, ability or interest in doing. If we don't like the decisions they take, we can vote them out.

It's a stupid concept that MPs are supposed to "represent" the 100,000 citizens in their constituency. How are they supposed to know what all those people think, whether their constituents are informed fully etc, etc.

PS. I said Lucas was stupidly blunt. But it's perhaps understandable.

This is what MPs are having to deal with at the moment. https://mobile.twitter.com/IanCLucas/status/1106934560426733568

[wing commander]

  I get what you are saying Billy but once again it's another case of total detachment the country feels as regard it MP's..I would have posted that whether it was a Labour,Tory,Liberal or independent Mp who reacted to it..

  Wrexham is as safe a Labour seat as you are going to get,but the hundreds of comments on social media are mainly coming from Labour voters who are upset with it and how he voted.Wrexham was 60% leave 40% remain..

  Taking Politics as a whole right now each main Party has both split into two..The Tory's have both the traditional conservative centre right and the ERG hard right and Labour has the same problem in reverse with momentum and the hard left as opposed to the majority of centre left mp's..You could argue a good case right now that there should be 4 party's plus the rest...

[BillyStubbsTears]

WingCo

This isn't a personal slight, but I do get pissed off with people quoting incorrect facts that can be checked in 5 seconds.

Lucas's majority is 1,800. If his constituency is strongly pro-Brexit it would be far more in his interests to be pro-Brexit.

There's no excuse for building up an argument based on "facts" that aren't facts. We've all got a duty to do better than that.

[wing commander]

   And facts can be taken in many different ways Billy which again without any disrespect is something your guilty of on occasions to suit your view,we all do it..I could counter that argument though by saying that Wrexham has been a Labour seat in every election since 1935 unless I'm mistaken..Thats 20 odd elections in a row.

   However whether it was Labour or Conservative is immaterial, that was irrelevant to the point regardless of Political affiliation..The fact still remains that both Party's are totally disenfranchised from the British Public,..If there was a GE next week you would probably see the lowest turnout in history...

   

[Donnywolf]

Dare Mr Speaker finish this Speech off by disallowing MV 3 ? Hes building up to it !

[bobjimwilly]

  it's a link to Ian Lucas Mp Twitter page were he answers a question put to him by one of his constituents.The links fine and safe by the way..

BTW It's not a link to a twitter page. It's a link to a "screenshot" that looks like it was photoshopped. A quick visit to both the MP's actually twitter page (https://twitter.com/IanCLucas) and the twitter page of the person who asked the question (https://twitter.com/Stella020612) and you can't find any reference to the "you thought wrong" comment. Just saying.

[Donnywolf]

Dare Mr Speaker finish this Speech off by disallowing MV 3 ? Hes building up to it !

Thats a big shout ! Good for him

May must change the Deal fundamentally or she cant bring it back !

[wing commander]

  it's a link to Ian Lucas Mp Twitter page were he answers a question put to him by one of his constituents.The links fine and safe by the way..

BTW It's not a link to a twitter page. It's a link to a "screenshot" that looks like it was photoshopped. A quick visit to both the MP's actually twitter page (https://twitter.com/IanCLucas) and the twitter page of the person who asked the question (https://twitter.com/Stella020612) and you can't find any reference to the "you thought wrong" comment. Just saying.

   Well I've just gone on his twitter page scrolled down and found it mate,its still on there..March 15th..Along with 609 angry reply's

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Dare Mr Speaker finish this Speech off by disallowing MV 3 ? Hes building up to it !

Thats a big shout ! Good for him

May must change the Deal fundamentally or she cant bring it back !

It's an interesting decision from someone who divides opinion.  Seems fair enough on the face of it unless you have the proposition of the vote being passed but not getting through.  It seems to disregard that other circumstances can lead to a change in result without the proposition being changed.

Our politics is very, very strange....

[MachoMadness]

Rees-Mogg asking if the same deal can be put before a new parliament - ie, after a general election. The little tinker!

E: Jumped the gun, I didn't consider government could actually prorogue a new parliamentary session outside of normal procedure. Which would certainly be an interesting take on the whole democracy thing, to say the least.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Rees-Mogg asking if the same deal can be put before a new parliament - ie, after a general election. The little tinker!

Do you think he's dropping a rather large hint to Jeremy Corbyn?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Dare Mr Speaker finish this Speech off by disallowing MV 3 ? Hes building up to it !

Thats a big shout ! Good for him

May must change the Deal fundamentally or she cant bring it back !

It's an interesting decision from someone who divides opinion.  Seems fair enough on the face of it unless you have the proposition of the vote being passed but not getting through.  It seems to disregard that other circumstances can lead to a change in result without the proposition being changed.

Our politics is very, very strange....

It's not strange at all, it's based on Erskine May, which has laid down the rules that apply to Parliamentary business for nearly 200 years.

[wing commander]

 

Dare Mr Speaker finish this Speech off by disallowing MV 3 ? Hes building up to it !

Thats a big shout ! Good for him

May must change the Deal fundamentally or she cant bring it back !

It's an interesting decision from someone who divides opinion.  Seems fair enough on the face of it unless you have the proposition of the vote being passed but not getting through.  It seems to disregard that other circumstances can lead to a change in result without the proposition being changed.

Our politics is very, very strange....

It's a interesting point..it would have been interesting to see how much closer the vote would have been, but doesn't that rule out a second peoples vote based on voting for the same thing twice..??

 On second thoughts don't answer that I know what some would say..lol. Not a surprise this, Bercow of course has been accused a number of times for picking resolutions and amendments to suit his own personal agenda..However on this occasion I believe he is correct on this ruling..