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Just a thought though. I'm in Holland at the moment. Do you reckon THEY think of themselves as a proud nation?
Economists have regularly said the U.K. would be better off under the tories than labour, so going by that bst, why would you vote labour and make yourself poorer? Yes you will find ones that say otherwise but the markets and the majority say different?
Why do we have a different outlook?
But you DO realise that a) Holland used to be an Imperial power. France used to be an Imperial power. Spain and Portugal used to be Imperial powers. That was generations ago. None of us will be Imperial powers again. Isn't it time to look to our futures rather than our pasts?
Quote from: The Red Baron on March 23, 2019, 08:59:15 amWhen the indicative votes happen (probably next week) one option I expect to be roundly defeated is the Second Referendum. I don't think MPs now trust people to vote the way they want.I have a feeling that if anything commands a majority it will be Norway-plus or "Common Market 2.0." Whether either will be acceptable to EU is a moot point, as it may involve amending the WA. However before we adopt either it would be good to understand how much they differ from EU membership (other than the fact we won't have a vote in any EU decisions).The best way of testing would be a Referendum. Whatever Parliament and the EU agrees to vs. Remain. I think that is very unlikely to be allowed by either party. So those well-intentioned folk who are marching today in London are wasting their time and energy.Maybe Im not reading things right here, and Im not sure who the indicative votes will work, but does anyone think thisis a cynical ploy to split the votes against the PMs deal?
When the indicative votes happen (probably next week) one option I expect to be roundly defeated is the Second Referendum. I don't think MPs now trust people to vote the way they want.I have a feeling that if anything commands a majority it will be Norway-plus or "Common Market 2.0." Whether either will be acceptable to EU is a moot point, as it may involve amending the WA. However before we adopt either it would be good to understand how much they differ from EU membership (other than the fact we won't have a vote in any EU decisions).The best way of testing would be a Referendum. Whatever Parliament and the EU agrees to vs. Remain. I think that is very unlikely to be allowed by either party. So those well-intentioned folk who are marching today in London are wasting their time and energy.
Axholme, not sure if you've said but out of interest what is your preferred Brexit?
It's House Of Cards on steroids..https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/cabinet-ministers-are-plotting-to-oust-theresa-may-as-her
ALIf I piece together your argument correctly then, you are saying that, because we ruled India before you were born, you decided to vote to make us poorer.
17 million have already signed up to leave that’s 13 million more or does that not count
If you look at the protests today most of the signs were for unions or against the tories nothing to do with brexit
I find the petition fascinating - nearly 5 million signatures now - especially the map that tells you the area the signatures have come from. And where they haven't.https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584There is also a site where you can view it by constituency. 33% in Bristol West the highest - 2% in Walsall the lowest.https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584If you think that shows the majority have clearly switched - that's fine.If you think it shows the country is still just as divided as ever - then you are seeing it the same as I am.