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Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2640 on April 01, 2019, 10:02:38 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
If there's a positive vote and wonder of wonders May takes it on board and says 'I'll pursue this', is there any way for Parliament to say 'Oh no you won't, we don't trust you not to make a shambles of this as well'? Apart from a Vote Of Confidence, that is.



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big fat yorkshire pudding

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2641 on April 01, 2019, 10:03:47 pm by big fat yorkshire pudding »
Here's a guess BFYP.

700  of the 650 MPs vote for Common Market 2.0 and May says she's bringing her deal back for a 4th go.

Quite. Not sure on your maths mind ;)

The result of tonight's vote will be interesting and something will probably win.

Interesting also labour sources saying despite backing some things it may not become their policy - bizarre.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #2642 on April 01, 2019, 10:05:07 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
That'll be the Fox who has negotiated 7 of his target 40 deals in the past 2.5 years will it?

The one who's failed to get deals with Japan and Canada, but did get deals with Palestine and the Faroe Islands?

big fat yorkshire pudding

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2643 on April 01, 2019, 10:07:17 pm by big fat yorkshire pudding »
And again all no.  One day they'll want something.

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2644 on April 01, 2019, 10:08:31 pm by Filo »
And round and round we go, reject everything again, just shoot the f**king lot of them!

The Red Baron

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2645 on April 01, 2019, 10:08:52 pm by The Red Baron »
All four lost, although Ken Clarke's Customs Union only lost by three votes.

SydneyRover

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2646 on April 01, 2019, 10:12:25 pm by SydneyRover »
Stephen Barclay, the Brexit secretary, says no solution has won a majority.

Which dick put up ''No Solution" as an option?

bpoolrover

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2647 on April 01, 2019, 10:12:37 pm by bpoolrover »
While it’s close I think if it came to it a lot of the ones who abstained would not vote for it so the margin will be bigger

The Red Baron

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2648 on April 01, 2019, 10:13:02 pm by The Red Baron »
Nick Boles has crossed the floor. Dramatic stuff.

big fat yorkshire pudding

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2649 on April 01, 2019, 10:13:57 pm by big fat yorkshire pudding »
All four lost, although Ken Clarke's Customs Union only lost by three votes.

Bear in mind the abstentions though.

bpoolrover

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2650 on April 01, 2019, 10:14:23 pm by bpoolrover »
Yes Bpool. And Rees-Mogg replied approvingly. So he's agreeing with a neo-Nazi party.
he was agreeing with a certain part of what they said, there are some awful people in the world but it does nit mean you have to disagree with everything they say

Copps is Magic

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2651 on April 01, 2019, 10:14:52 pm by Copps is Magic »
Right wing of the conservative party just dont want to compromise.

bpoolrover

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2652 on April 01, 2019, 10:16:23 pm by bpoolrover »
Really as the speaker won’t the them vote in mays deal again none of these should be voted on in the same format as it’s at least twice now they have lost

bpoolrover

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2653 on April 01, 2019, 10:16:45 pm by bpoolrover »
Right wing of the conservative party just dont want to compromise.
left wing labour don’t either

Copps is Magic

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2654 on April 01, 2019, 10:17:31 pm by Copps is Magic »
Right wing of the conservative party just dont want to compromise.
left wing labour don’t either

What are you talking about?

Copps is Magic

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2655 on April 01, 2019, 10:18:18 pm by Copps is Magic »
The left wing of the labour party are on the front bench and whipped for three of the options today!!!

big fat yorkshire pudding

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2656 on April 01, 2019, 10:19:02 pm by big fat yorkshire pudding »
Really as the speaker won’t the them vote in mays deal again none of these should be voted on in the same format as it’s at least twice now they have lost

It is of course the option on the table with most votes so far...

There appears to be no agreeable solution within this parliament.

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2657 on April 01, 2019, 10:19:15 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
Right wing of the conservative party just dont want to compromise.

To be honest, the problem has been that despite the mechanism of leaving always having to be some form of compromise, when the Leavers 'won' the referendum, it seemed to make them think they should get everything they thought they were voting for without having to actually negotiate. Because they 'won'.

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2658 on April 01, 2019, 10:20:41 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
Really as the speaker won’t the them vote in mays deal again none of these should be voted on in the same format as it’s at least twice now they have lost

It is of course the option on the table with most votes so far...

There appears to be no agreeable solution within this parliament.

Looks like the individual government MPs have abstained again. Anyone would think they don't want Parliament to get a positive result, despite what May says.

bpoolrover

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2659 on April 01, 2019, 10:21:20 pm by bpoolrover »
Unfortunately not the hard right just want no deal and labour a general election it will amaze me if any of them back down

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #2660 on April 01, 2019, 10:22:32 pm by Copps is Magic »
Unfortunately not the hard right just want no deal and labour a general election it will amaze me if any of them back down

Labour has backed down and changed its position several times.

bpoolrover

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2661 on April 01, 2019, 10:22:38 pm by bpoolrover »
The dup will never vote for any of them either and if it came to it would vote against which is another 10 votes

bpoolrover

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2662 on April 01, 2019, 10:23:10 pm by bpoolrover »
Unfortunately not the hard right just want no deal and labour a general election it will amaze me if any of them back down

Labour has backed down and changed its position several times.
labour are doing what it takes to get a general election nothing more

big fat yorkshire pudding

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2663 on April 01, 2019, 10:23:33 pm by big fat yorkshire pudding »
Really as the speaker won’t the them vote in mays deal again none of these should be voted on in the same format as it’s at least twice now they have lost

It is of course the option on the table with most votes so far...

There appears to be no agreeable solution within this parliament.

Looks like the individual government MPs have abstained again. Anyone would think they don't want Parliament to get a positive result, despite what May says.

Assumption is that they would all vote one way so it's not needed.  If a proposal is taken forward it would need further vote anyway.

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2664 on April 01, 2019, 10:29:34 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
Really as the speaker won’t the them vote in mays deal again none of these should be voted on in the same format as it’s at least twice now they have lost

It is of course the option on the table with most votes so far...

There appears to be no agreeable solution within this parliament.

Looks like the individual government MPs have abstained again. Anyone would think they don't want Parliament to get a positive result, despite what May says.

Assumption is that they would all vote one way so it's not needed.  If a proposal is taken forward it would need further vote anyway.

If the Tories don't use the whip, you can't make that assumption at all. It's well known that there's quite a wide spectrum of opinions, even in the Cabinet itself.

SydneyRover

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2665 on April 01, 2019, 10:32:21 pm by SydneyRover »
As it's blindingly obvious that agreement cannot be found by the politicians then a second vote with options should be had or we stay.

 6,044,432 signatures

DonnyOsmond

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2666 on April 01, 2019, 10:42:13 pm by DonnyOsmond »
As it's blindingly obvious that agreement cannot be found by the politicians then a second vote with options should be had or we stay.

 6,044,432 signatures

That's the obvious but nope we're heading for Mays MV4 failure then no deal as the default.

selby

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2667 on April 01, 2019, 10:44:56 pm by selby »
 Syd that is 11 million short

The Red Baron

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2668 on April 01, 2019, 10:47:36 pm by The Red Baron »
As it's blindingly obvious that agreement cannot be found by the politicians then a second vote with options should be had or we stay.

 6,044,432 signatures

That's the obvious but nope we're heading for Mays MV4 failure then no deal as the default.

The ERG, or at least its representatives who have spoken, are cock-a-hoop tonight. In some ways I can't blame them. They have held firm and other MPs have failed to coalesce around an option.

DonnyOsmond

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Re: Brexit deal
« Reply #2669 on April 01, 2019, 10:50:56 pm by DonnyOsmond »
General election incoming?

 

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