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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 09, 2019, 09:30:55 pmStraight to Hell?Ever Fallen in Love with a Brexit You Shouldn't Have Fallen In Love With?It's (not) Gonna Happen?By the way, I strongly recommend this.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0004vyd/storyville-brexit-behind-closed-doors-part-1Eye-opening, informative and (as someone who is proud to be British) shaming.Surely the ultimate Brexit soundtrack is Hotel California by The Eagles."You can check out any time you like, but you can never Leave."
Straight to Hell?Ever Fallen in Love with a Brexit You Shouldn't Have Fallen In Love With?It's (not) Gonna Happen?By the way, I strongly recommend this.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0004vyd/storyville-brexit-behind-closed-doors-part-1Eye-opening, informative and (as someone who is proud to be British) shaming.
Quote from: The Red Baron on May 10, 2019, 11:19:16 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 09, 2019, 09:30:55 pmStraight to Hell?Ever Fallen in Love with a Brexit You Shouldn't Have Fallen In Love With?It's (not) Gonna Happen?By the way, I strongly recommend this.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0004vyd/storyville-brexit-behind-closed-doors-part-1Eye-opening, informative and (as someone who is proud to be British) shaming.Surely the ultimate Brexit soundtrack is Hotel California by The Eagles."You can check out any time you like, but you can never Leave."Au contraire.You can check out any time you want but you might not get the leaving package that Nigel and Boris promised you.I've never been an Eagles fan, but every time I see Farage, "You can't hide your lyin' eyes" plays in my head.
Billy's a bit of a Desperado these days.
SSAll politicians have to duck and dive and dissemble and evade. Because if they were 100% truthful all the time, they would get slaughtered. That is the fault of society that is too immature to deal with complexity and accept that all politicians have to compromise and can't please everyone all the time.There are politicians that reflect every type of person, but if you genuinely, genuinely think that none of them are honest,then I despair.The idea that has taken hold, that all politicians in this country are venal, self-serving liars is one of THE most dangerous threats to the country at the moment.The reason is, that is enough people are jaundiced and assume that they are ALL lying bas**rds, the real lying bas**rds are let off the hook.And that's precisely what's happened in recent years.Farage is the poster boy for it in this country. Trump in America. They hurl abuse on ALL politicians and convince people that they are all liars. Then their own lies get buried.Farage wrote the executive summary to the UKIP 2010 manifesto. He lead the launch of it. Then when people pointed out that it was utter batshit (they wanted to pass laws to make train companies paint their trains in pre-nationalisation colours, to make all taxi drivers have to wear uniforms, and to give millionaires tax cuts of greater than 20%) Farage sat across the table from an interviewer and said "I had nothing to do with that document."After the 2016 vote, he said in an interview "I never said there'd be £350m/week for the NHS."During the campaign, he frequently said we should have a relationship with the EU like Norway. After it, he said that a Norway deal would be a humiliation.THAT is dishonesty. He does it week after week. Hiding in plain sight. Accepted, because folk like you lazily assume that they are all as bad.
SS.we were talking about dishonesty. Is Cable being dishonest?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 10, 2019, 04:00:54 pmSSAll politicians have to duck and dive and dissemble and evade. Because if they were 100% truthful all the time, they would get slaughtered. That is the fault of society that is too immature to deal with complexity and accept that all politicians have to compromise and can't please everyone all the time.There are politicians that reflect every type of person, but if you genuinely, genuinely think that none of them are honest,then I despair.The idea that has taken hold, that all politicians in this country are venal, self-serving liars is one of THE most dangerous threats to the country at the moment.The reason is, that is enough people are jaundiced and assume that they are ALL lying bas**rds, the real lying bas**rds are let off the hook.And that's precisely what's happened in recent years.Farage is the poster boy for it in this country. Trump in America. They hurl abuse on ALL politicians and convince people that they are all liars. Then their own lies get buried.Farage wrote the executive summary to the UKIP 2010 manifesto. He lead the launch of it. Then when people pointed out that it was utter batshit (they wanted to pass laws to make train companies paint their trains in pre-nationalisation colours, to make all taxi drivers have to wear uniforms, and to give millionaires tax cuts of greater than 20%) Farage sat across the table from an interviewer and said "I had nothing to do with that document."After the 2016 vote, he said in an interview "I never said there'd be £350m/week for the NHS."During the campaign, he frequently said we should have a relationship with the EU like Norway. After it, he said that a Norway deal would be a humiliation.THAT is dishonesty. He does it week after week. Hiding in plain sight. Accepted, because folk like you lazily assume that they are all as bad.And that honest, cuddly old guy Vince Cable introduced a foul-mouthed slogan that basically told 17.4 million people to f*ck off; but it's not true to say that all politicians are as bad as each other.Either I'm being cynical here, or you're being naive. I think I know what most people would think.
Can't argue with that Sidney. You're clearly better at talking b*llocks than I am.
TRBStrange isn't it? Farage was all over that sort of Brexit in 2016. I wonder what led to his honest and principled change of mind. Straight after the vote.
TRBYou're being far too understanding of Farage. He"changed his mind" because he's a lying shite. He never wanted a Norway style deal, but saying "Wouldn't it be great if we had a deal like Norway" enabled him to neutralise the argument that leaving the EU would be economically harmful.He's an unprincipled, treacherous liar. It's horrifying how many people are blind to it.