Brexit deal

[SydneyRover]

More workers spending every penny they have makes business and the economy grow, increase the wages of the low paid because they are the ones that will spend it and not squirrel it away.

[Axholme Lion]

AL
That is folksy common sense but it doesn't mesh with the real world.

It assumes an economy is static with a fixed amount of work to go round. That ain't how the real world works.

Study after study after study have shown that hard working immigrants grow economies faster than they take out. So there's more work available. And wages don't get depressed.

I've just heard Philip Hammond on the radio bumbling through an interview about why wages haven't risen for ordinary workers over the past decade. He and Osborne are the problem. They were the ones who took growth out of the economy through their insane Austerity policies. And then the far Right moves in and says "Them f**king immigrants are what's keeping your living standards down".

It's the oldest story in politics. Goes back centuries. And have a guess who was the most successful exponent of that game (for a decade or so).

What about all the ones here on the take though who have no intention of working, we've enough of our own on that game without importing them?

[BillyStubbsTears]

AL
1) So you've accepted the argument that working immigrants don't depress wages?

2) How many idle scrounging immigrants are there?

3) How much do they cost us?

4) How does that cost compare to the £150bn we've already lost from the Brexit vote, and the £1trn or so we're forecast to lose over the next decade?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48451024

Head of the Society of Motor Manufacturers
"Today's figures are evidence of the vast cost and upheaval Brexit uncertainty has already wrought on UK automotive manufacturing businesses and workers.

"Prolonged instability has done untold damage, with the fear of 'no deal' holding back progress, causing investment to stall, jobs to be lost and undermining our global reputation."

Right lads. You've had your emotional spasm. You've bought into the bullshit from Farage and Rees-Mogg about the brave new world we could have with a hard Brexit. Don't you think it's time to start facing the consequences now?

[Bentley Bullet]

Billy lad. Instead of searching endlessly on the internet for figures that support your argument, why don't you do a bit of your own research and walk round Doncaster town centre?

When you've done that get back to me.

I was going to suggest walking through Hexthorpe but somehow I don't think you've got that Kate Adie instinct.

[SydneyRover]

Billy lad. Instead of searching endlessly on the internet for figures that support your argument, why don't you do a bit of your own research and walk round Doncaster town centre?

When you've done that get back to me.

I was going to suggest walking through Hexthorpe but somehow I don't think you've got that Kate Adie instinct.

How about you tell us BB instead of dog whistling?

[Bentley Bullet]

Why so you can play your usual racist card?

Go and find out for yourself. Take Billy with you.

[SydneyRover]

Why so you can play your usual racist card?

Go and find out for yourself. Take Billy with you.

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[BillyStubbsTears]

Good to see the EU election results spreading joy through the continent.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveWardGS/status/1132988677360103424

[bpoolrover]

Could this be a problem? http://www.theweek.co.uk/101500/how-would-italy-s-parallel-currency-work

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134207549249654786

Sooner or later it's going to sink in to the tiny group that insulated Corbyn from the real world.

Labour is in existential danger unless it unequivocally supports Ref2.

It doesn't matter what people claim about that losing them support. Labour has already lost more than half its support this year. By definition, it could not be worse.

It's bleeding obvious that the Tories are going to respond by electing a Hard Brexit PM. That will take them back up into the 30s. It is so painfully obvious what Labour must do. Politics is currently defined by Brexit. To wrong your hands and say "We support both sides" is a pathetic cop out. It's decision time. Now.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, why don't you put your 'Britain Surrendering Together' party into the Mix? You can get Suicidal Syd as your number 2 and bend over to Juncker & co and beg for forgiveness.

I can just see the headline now. Bend-Over Billy and Suicidal Syd restore British pride!

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.

I much prefer you when you're funny.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST. This is far too serious a subject to be funny.

Have you walked through Donny town centre with Suicidal Syd yet?

[SydneyRover]

BST. This is far too serious a subject to be funny.

Have you walked through Donny town centre with Suicidal Syd yet?

You're sounding a bit desperate BB, I'll put it down to a tough week and I agree with BST you're funny side is best.

[SydneyRover]

This is funny BB and a bit sad.

''Elton John: 'I am a European – not a stupid, imperialist English idiot''

''The singer says Brexit has made him ashamed to be British, while performing in Verona during his final world tour''

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/31/elton-john-brexit-not-imperialist-english-idiot-verona

[Bentley Bullet]

I can't be doing with pop stars being political usually, but in dear old Elton's case, I might vote for him.

Is he still standing?

[SydneyRover]

Yeah yeah yeah

[Axholme Lion]

This is funny BB and a bit sad.

''Elton John: 'I am a European – not a stupid, imperialist English idiot''

''The singer says Brexit has made him ashamed to be British, while performing in Verona during his final world tour''

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/31/elton-john-brexit-not-imperialist-english-idiot-verona

Guess what Reg? I'm ashamed you're British as well.

[Not Now Kato]

AL

2) How many idle scrounging immigrants are there?

3) How much do they cost us?

He'll just have to check with the Mail and the Express to answer those questions BST.
 
But I'm feeling generous, so I'll help him out
 

 
 

 
 
The worrying thing to me is that people like AL not only believe these lies, they propagate them.  No wonder we're in the mess we are!

[Bentley Bullet]

NNK. What is racist about wanting a points-based system based on migrants from all over the world?

[Not Now Kato]

NNK. What is racist about wanting a points-based system based on migrants from all over the world?

Where have I mentioned racism BB?
 
But if you want to talk about a points based system then a few questions....  Who sets the points? Who chooses the criteria for those points? Who ensures that the system is operated fairly?
 
Oh, and you are aware that non-EU immigration is higher that EU immigration aren't you?
 
Time to stop believing what you read in the Sun/Mail/Express or wherever you get your sound-bites from.

[foxbat]

What's the collective noun for right wing ,sh1te publishing ,newspapers ?

[Bentley Bullet]

NNW. So you're not suggesting that the Mail and Express front pages you show are racist?

[foxbat]

Well played Elton John -

Sir Elton John has declared he is “ashamed” of the UK in an on-stage tirade about Brexit.

Before performing his hit “Believe” in Verona, Italy, Sir Elton launched into a rant about being “European” as opposed to a “colonial English idiot”.

He was filmed saying on Wednesday: “I’m compassionate, and I really believe that we need more love and compassion in the world today. A lot more.

“I am so sick to death of politicians, especially British politicians.“I am sick to death of Brexit. I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.

[Axholme Lion]

AL

2) How many idle scrounging immigrants are there?

3) How much do they cost us?

He'll just have to check with the Mail and the Express to answer those questions BST.
 
But I'm feeling generous, so I'll help him out
 

 
 

 
 
The worrying thing to me is that people like AL not only believe these lies, they propagate them.  No wonder we're in the mess we are!

This country is vastly overpopulated. FACT
Getting rid of people who shouldn't be here should the first step in putting this right and returning this country into a green and pleasant land it once was, rather than the grey, concrete, scum ridden, shithole it has become thanks to the likes of Tony Blair teaching us all a lesson.

[Not Now Kato]

NNW. So you're not suggesting that the Mail and Express front pages you show are racist?

BB. I'm suggesting that they are, at best grossly misleading, at worst downright lies.  Neither more nor less.
 

[Bentley Bullet]

So they're not racist then, sorted.

Now then, back to the points-based system. Let's reword it for you.  What is wrong about wanting a points-based system based on migrants from all over the world, instead of one where European's get preference?

[Not Now Kato]

This country is vastly overpopulated. FACT
Getting rid of people who shouldn't be here should the first step in putting this right and returning this country into a green and pleasant land it once was, rather than the grey, concrete, scum ridden, shithole it has become thanks to the likes of Tony Blair teaching us all a lesson.

And how many people are here that shouldn't be, (real numbers, not the exaggerations/lies of the Sun/Mail/Express )?
 
Who determines who should be here and who shouldn't?
 
Why have successive governments failed to implement the border controls they always had the right to implement under EU rules but chose not to?
 
The problem isn't across the channel, it's right here, has been for years and years, and won't change when we leave the EU. 

[Not Now Kato]

So they're not racist then, sorted.

Now then, back to the points-based system. Let's reword it for you.  What is wrong about wanting a points-based system based on migrants from all over the world, instead of one where European's get preference?

Again, for the avoidance of doubt, I never brought up the subject of racism - you did!
 
And regarding a points based immigration system, I asked you three very pertinent questions.  Care to answer them?