Brexit deal

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aaaannnddd cue the "Disciples" stage of a BB argument.

You DO know that the idea of Groundhog Day was that Bill Murray sorted out the balls ups he'd made the previous time. He didn't just keep repeating them.

[MachoMadness]

I would support a system where citizens of every country have the same rights to live in this country as Europeans, based on an Australian style points-based system.

Most immigrants come from outside Europe, so it seems to me like they have those rights already.

[SydneyRover]

''A Scottish judge has retired to consider a legal attempt to block the suspension of the UK Parliament.

Lord Doherty heard arguments from representatives of a cross-party group seeking an interim interdict that would halt the move by the government.

Arguing for the UK government, Roddy Dunlop QC said the issue "was not a matter for the courts".

The judge will return to give his decision at 10:00 on Friday.

The group of 75 parliamentarians are seeking the Scottish legal equivalent of an injunction to stop parliament being suspended, pending a full hearing on 6 September''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49509712

It would be quite amusing if one of those foreigners made a decision that thwarted guido johnson.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The main thing is ensuring that they operate within the law, if they've done that, which they likely have then there cannot be too many complaints IMO.

[bobjimwilly]

BYFP - what are you looking forward to most post brexit?

[SydneyRover]

The main thing is ensuring that they operate within the law, if they've done that, which they likely have then there cannot be too many complaints IMO.

So lawful 10/10 moral 0/10 OK?

[Donnywolf]

BYFP - what are you looking forward to most post brexit?

Dont know about BFYP but I will look forward to a representative Election / Voting process for the UK or England if the big split comes

Also I will look forward to a "movement" that will look to take us back into the EU at the earliest possible opportunity

[SydneyRover]

The main thing is ensuring that they operate within the law, if they've done that, which they likely have then there cannot be too many complaints IMO.

So if we could pass a law to declare the Conservative Party a proscribed organisation and then jailed all the members you'd be OK with that bfyp?

[Herbert Anchovy]

BYFP - what are you looking forward to most post brexit?

Dont know about BFYP but I will look forward to a representative Election / Voting process for the UK or England if the big split comes

Also I will look forward to a "movement" that will look to take us back into the EU at the earliest possible opportunity

And how would you feel if Parliament did everything in its power to overturn the result of election/voting process Wolf?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BYFP - what are you looking forward to most post brexit?

The realisation that it is nowhere near as horrific as some people are making out.  I am massively against no deal brexit make no mistake on that as much as I am also against the other extreme of stating it's a bit too hard, the people are thick let's ignore them.

The current uncertainty is more damaging than being in or out in the first place and whether you agree or not, the referendum should be honoured and we should have been out by now had the May government not have failed to deliver it.  The reality is parliament doesnt really want brexit and will do whatever it can to stop it.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The main thing is ensuring that they operate within the law, if they've done that, which they likely have then there cannot be too many complaints IMO.

So if we could pass a law to declare the Conservative Party a proscribed organisation and then jailed all the members you'd be OK with that bfyp?

Well that's a ludicrous comparison isn't it based upon today's position because its wholly unjustified.  But based upon that point is it right to make extremism illegal, yes it is.  Our main parties are not of that persuasion thankfully whether you disagree with them or not.

The laws in question on parliament are how old?  Also read my prior posts, I think it's a bad move from the government, but that doesnt mean they lack the power and legality to do it as far as I can see.

[SydneyRover]

As long as it's law forget the moral situation, is that what you are saying?

[Bentley Bullet]

Aaaannnddd cue the "Disciples" stage of a BB argument.

You DO know that the idea of Groundhog Day was that Bill Murray sorted out the balls ups he'd made the previous time. He didn't just keep repeating them.

Did it all end in Tears for him also?

Must be a Billy thing.

[Bentley Bullet]

I would support a system where citizens of every country have the same rights to live in this country as Europeans, based on an Australian style points-based system.

Most immigrants come from outside Europe, so it seems to me like they have those rights already.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/

[scawsby steve]

''A Scottish judge has retired to consider a legal attempt to block the suspension of the UK Parliament.

Lord Doherty heard arguments from representatives of a cross-party group seeking an interim interdict that would halt the move by the government.

Arguing for the UK government, Roddy Dunlop QC said the issue "was not a matter for the courts".

The judge will return to give his decision at 10:00 on Friday.

The group of 75 parliamentarians are seeking the Scottish legal equivalent of an injunction to stop parliament being suspended, pending a full hearing on 6 September''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49509712

It would be quite amusing if one of those foreigners made a decision that thwarted guido johnson.

Your lot have lost; yet again.

[wilts rover]

I would support a system where citizens of every country have the same rights to live in this country as Europeans, based on an Australian style points-based system.

Most immigrants come from outside Europe, so it seems to me like they have those rights already.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/

Sorry BB - what is it you are trying to say with this link - because all it does is prove Macho is correct? Most migrants in the UK are from outside the EU and thus the government has full control of whether they can come into the country or not.

[Bentley Bullet]

Wilts. Are you deliberately missing the point or just plain trying to deceive people into believing you've got a point?

NON-EU MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS EU MEMBERS.

The government DOES have full control of whether none-EU members can come here but NOT full control of EU members.

[wilts rover]

Wilts. Are you deliberately missing the point or just plain trying to deceive people into believing you've got a point?

NON-EU MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS EU MEMBERS.

The government DOES have full control of whether none-EU members can come here but NOT full control of EU members.

Hence my confusion at the link to the article you posted - which interesting as it is - does not discuss comparable rights of EU and non-EU citizens.

What it says is: here are countries EU citizens come from, this is why they come, this is what they are entitled to, there has been a fall since the referendum - and by the way more people come to the UK from outside the EU anyway.

So again what is the point of that article in relation to Macho's point that most migrants come from outside Europe?

[wilts rover]

Johnson believes that the only way to get a 'good' deal is not to take No Deal off the table because the EU don't want No Deal.

Well if that is so they are bluffing it very well. Yesterday Michael Gove went to watch the first day of a MONTH of No Deal rehearsal preparations in Calais.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/30/gove-watches-no-deal-brexit-practice-run-in-port-of-calais

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes but Johnson doesn't believe anything if the sort does he.

No one who stops to think about this for a moment believes that No Deal is a credible threat. You don't win negotiations by threatening to shoot yourself if you don't get what you want.

No one believes that the UK will willingly take the path of No Deal.

What Johnson wants, f**king Kitson that he is, is for the responsibility for stopping No Deal to hang on Parliament.

Then, at the resulting General Election, he'll paint himself as the frustrated champion of Brexit, who WOULD have taken us out with No Deal if the t**ts in Parliament hadn't stopped him.

Anyone who falls for this is giving up on the ability to think.

[Bentley Bullet]

Wilts. Are you deliberately missing the point or just plain trying to deceive people into believing you've got a point?

NON-EU MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS EU MEMBERS.

The government DOES have full control of whether none-EU members can come here but NOT full control of EU members.

Hence my confusion at the link to the article you posted - which interesting as it is - does not discuss comparable rights of EU and non-EU citizens.

What it says is: here are countries EU citizens come from, this is why they come, this is what they are entitled to, there has been a fall since the referendum - and by the way more people come to the UK from outside the EU anyway.

So again what is the point of that article in relation to Macho's point that most migrants come from outside Europe?

The VERY FIRST paragraph in understanding the evidence.

"EU citizens are a key group in UK immigration policy as they currently enjoy free movement within the European Union and the government cannot limit their rights to live and work in the UK in the same way that it does for non-EU nationals"

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes BB.

Thank you for hammering home the bleeding obvious.

That's the sort of thing that happens when you strike trading deals and arrangements.

India has already said that if we want a post Brexit trade deal the price will include easing of work visas for Indians coming to Britain.

Presumably, by your "What can I have a childish row about today" logic, that would be racist too.

[Bentley Bullet]

So why didn't you correct MachoMadness then? Why didn't you correct Mr Wilts then? Keeping the Britain Surrendering Together members under your wing, are we?

[Donnywolf]

BYFP - what are you looking forward to most post brexit?

Dont know about BFYP but I will look forward to a representative Election / Voting process for the UK or England if the big split comes

Also I will look forward to a "movement" that will look to take us back into the EU at the earliest possible opportunity

And how would you feel if Parliament did everything in its power to overturn the result of election/voting process Wolf?

Unsure about what your question is asking but I will try to put my post a different way

My original bit is saying nothing new - I am a fan of Proportional Representation and I hope that if we leave the EU and there is a massive falling out of the Electorate with Parliament that PR emerges which should (I would hope) put an end to extremism either way

The second bit is me saying that if we are taken out of the EU (however it is done) I expect new Parties will emerge / maybe some current Parties may merge and there will be a move by them to take us back into the EU

Dont forget (you cant as I post this often) that the 1975 Referendum was a massive 67 - 33 to Remain in the EU and people got on with their lives EXCEPT for a hard core of a few (mainly) Tory MPs but they have managed over the years to finally get a Referendum in which just over 50% of those Voting - voted Leave

So think what a base of almost 50% of those opposed to Leaving might achieve if they had a vehicle (Political Party or movement) to get behind - to get the UK (or England if the Union splits) back into the EU. I reckon it would not take 44 years

Hope I have answered your question. I AM believe it or not trying to stay out of all EU debates lol and having been on the losing side in 75 and 16 I hope I get another go before I peg it

[SydneyRover]

Javid says that even though you sacked my advisor without telling me and are running my portfolio from a pirate ship on the thames and made me look like a complete chump "I still love you guido johnson"

[SydneyRover]

Oh no not porkies again?

"A myth has been propagated by Brexiteers. There is a single “British fishing industry” which will benefit from reclaiming the “60/70/80% of British fish” caught by EU boats.

No, there isn’t. There are competing interests. English v Scottish; deep-sea fishing v inshore fishing; industrial v family-scale boats; fishers v processors. Some of the most vibrant, locally important and ecologically respectful parts of the UK industry have nothing to gain and everything to lose from Brexit.

They depend on shellfish, lobsters, crabs and langoustines (crayfish) that are quota-free or are overwhelmingly allocated to the UK. More than 80% is sold to the continent (mostly Spain and France). This trade has grown large because of the border-free EU single market''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/31/myth-brexit-bonanza-uk-fishing-exposed-no-deal

[wilts rover]

Wilts. Are you deliberately missing the point or just plain trying to deceive people into believing you've got a point?

NON-EU MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS EU MEMBERS.

The government DOES have full control of whether none-EU members can come here but NOT full control of EU members.

Hence my confusion at the link to the article you posted - which interesting as it is - does not discuss comparable rights of EU and non-EU citizens.

What it says is: here are countries EU citizens come from, this is why they come, this is what they are entitled to, there has been a fall since the referendum - and by the way more people come to the UK from outside the EU anyway.

So again what is the point of that article in relation to Macho's point that most migrants come from outside Europe?

The VERY FIRST paragraph in understanding the evidence.

"EU citizens are a key group in UK immigration policy as they currently enjoy free movement within the European Union and the government cannot limit their rights to live and work in the UK in the same way that it does for non-EU nationals"

That's not evidence! Of anything. It's a statement.

And don't go accusing me of requiring correcting when all I am doing is asking you why you have put up a pointless link.

It's up to you to explain this new Australian points system that you are looking forward too - not me.

[wilts rover]

Yes BB.

Thank you for hammering home the bleeding obvious.

That's the sort of thing that happens when you strike trading deals and arrangements.

India has already said that if we want a post Brexit trade deal the price will include easing of work visas for Indians coming to Britain.

Presumably, by your "What can I have a childish row about today" logic, that would be racist too.

Yes I mentioned that in a post on the previous page and he ignored it. Just like he is going to ignore you saying it.

[Bentley Bullet]

What is there to ignore? As long as we don't get undesirables from India I've no problem with them coming here.

[Bentley Bullet]

Wilts. Are you deliberately missing the point or just plain trying to deceive people into believing you've got a point?

NON-EU MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS EU MEMBERS.

The government DOES have full control of whether none-EU members can come here but NOT full control of EU members.

Hence my confusion at the link to the article you posted - which interesting as it is - does not discuss comparable rights of EU and non-EU citizens.

What it says is: here are countries EU citizens come from, this is why they come, this is what they are entitled to, there has been a fall since the referendum - and by the way more people come to the UK from outside the EU anyway.

So again what is the point of that article in relation to Macho's point that most migrants come from outside Europe?

The VERY FIRST paragraph in understanding the evidence.

"EU citizens are a key group in UK immigration policy as they currently enjoy free movement within the European Union and the government cannot limit their rights to live and work in the UK in the same way that it does for non-EU nationals"

That's not evidence! Of anything. It's a statement.

And don't go accusing me of requiring correcting when all I am doing is asking you why you have put up a pointless link.

It's up to you to explain this new Australian points system that you are looking forward too - not me.

Mr Wilts, it shows evidence that EU nationals get more right of entry into the UK than Non-EU nationals. Is that not true?

Why the f**k should I have to explain the Australia points system to you?

Seeing as I'm that kind of guy you can read this if you like.
https://workpermit.com/immigration/australia/australian-skilled-immigration-points-requirements