Brexit deal

[wilts rover]

REFERENDUM RESULT TO CUT OUT THE VAGUE FIGURES BANDED ABOUT :

13,000,000 DID NOT VOTE OR HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO VOTE !!

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Total       46,500,001
Leave   17,410,742   51.89%
Remain   16,141,241   48.11%
Valid    33,551,983   99.92%
Invalid or blank votes   25,359   0.08%
Total votes   33,577,342   100.00%
Registered voters/turnout

Yep, 13 million didn’t bother to vote.
I wonder how many of those are primary moaners now (whichever side they are whinging about).

I wonder how many more would have voted it it were a mandatory referendum rather than an advisory one?

[IDM]

Thing is, with this referendum, the only vote choosing for something other than maintaining the status quo was “leave”. 

It’s too late now obviously, but the referendum should have been based on all the electorate and if you didn’t vote you were not actively voting for change, ie non voters = remain.

Leave would only win by exceeding 50% of the electorate..

[IDM]

If those numbers are accurate, only 37.4% of the electorate voted to leave..

[Donnywolf]

Yes compulsory voting would probably be a way forward although in this case (we will never know) might still have produced a majority for Leave but that of course is pure speculation by me

I would of course (here we go again alert) prefer PR of some sort but dont know if that would be more or less affected by no show voters ?

In other words if there are millions of missing voters in a GE would it affect the result in FPTP or PR more or less or cant we tell - or do we not give a Donald anyway. Be honest I can take it 

[hoolahoop]

 

REFERENDUM RESULT TO CUT OUT THE VAGUE FIGURES BANDED ABOUT :

13,000,000 DID NOT VOTE OR HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO VOTE !!

---------------------------------------------------------
Total       46,500,001
Leave   17,410,742   51.89%
Remain   16,141,241   48.11%
Valid    33,551,983   99.92%
Invalid or blank votes   25,359   0.08%
Total votes   33,577,342   100.00%
Registered voters/turnout

Yep, 13 million didn’t bother to vote.
I wonder how many of those are primary moaners now (whichever side they are whinging about).

If you don't vote, you don't have any right to complain about the outcome, in my opinion.

Need to find out why that many people DIDN'T vote - that's a lot of folk who SHOULD have had an opinion if they truly believed it could result in the mess it has !

Yes ONLY  37.4% of the electorate.

62.6% either wanted to Remain or didn't  think this would affect their lives to this extent

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting what that champion of democracy, Arron Banks said on this topic.

"If turnout is low, we win. If it’s high, we lose," Mr Banks said. "Our strategy is to bore the electorate into submission, and it’s working."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/anti-eu-leave-campaign-chief-arron-banks-nhs-privatised-a7022306.html%3famp

Oh, the bankroller of Leave.EU and Farage's Mayfair flat (these elites, eh?) also said in that article that he wanted the NHS privatised.

Still, he sticks it to the libs, dunt he, so he must be on the side of the working man.

[DonnyOsmond]

And that oversimplification is exactly why binary referendums shouldn't be used on such complex issues.

it was a vote and as such should stand or democracy is dead

David Davis disagrees. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-countries-democracy-brexit-vote-article-50-second-referendum-a7629636.html

I don't give a flying chit what he says we voted out and the courts said there will be no second vote so what the flock has it got to do with him

Why did you you vote out?

[BigH]

If those numbers are accurate, only 37.4% of the electorate voted to leave..

The numbers are accurate and you are correct.

'Democracy' in action eh!

[drfchound]

REFERENDUM RESULT TO CUT OUT THE VAGUE FIGURES BANDED ABOUT :

13,000,000 DID NOT VOTE OR HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO VOTE !!

---------------------------------------------------------
Total       46,500,001
Leave   17,410,742   51.89%
Remain   16,141,241   48.11%
Valid    33,551,983   99.92%
Invalid or blank votes   25,359   0.08%
Total votes   33,577,342   100.00%
Registered voters/turnout

Yep, 13 million didn’t bother to vote.
I wonder how many of those are primary moaners now (whichever side they are whinging about).

If you don't vote, you don't have any right to complain about the outcome, in my opinion.

I totally agree AL, that is what I was getting at.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

If those numbers are accurate, only 37.4% of the electorate voted to leave..

The numbers are accurate and you are correct.

'Democracy' in action eh!

And even lower % wanted to stay in.  The EU since that point has done absolutely nothing to change the problems that some had with it.

[SydneyRover]

That's a big ask bfyp for 27 countries to change their modus operandi for a small %age of ppl from a single country when the benefits received for the many are great.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

There are nearly half a billion people in the EU. 17 million of them, many self-admitting to having little knowledge on the topic, voted for us to leave. You expect the EU to make major changes to satisfy the 3%?

[wilts rover]

I thought it worthwhile bring this tweet to people's attention. We shall soon see if he is correct:

Q: What does it tell you when in one 24 hour period No.10 floats:

-daring the Queen to sack the PM
-daring the police to arrest him
-threatening to sabotage the EU if A50 is extended
-a Commons vote on a Deal the EU has flatly rejected?

A: That it has no plan & is desperate.

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1180770547438931968

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BFYP

There are nearly half a billion people in the EU. 17 million of them, many self-admitting to having little knowledge on the topic, voted for us to leave. You expect the EU to make major changes to satisfy the 3%?

Bear in mind even the remain vote was waged on changing the relationship with the eu, that is conveniently forgotten.

I wonder how many eu citizens and where like the eu as is or would want change.  We will of course not ever know that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I thought it worthwhile bring this tweet to people's attention. We shall soon see if he is correct:

Q: What does it tell you when in one 24 hour period No.10 floats:

-daring the Queen to sack the PM
-daring the police to arrest him
-threatening to sabotage the EU if A50 is extended
-a Commons vote on a Deal the EU has flatly rejected?

A: That it has no plan & is desperate.

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1180770547438931968

That's Cummings' MO.

Fire out dummies left right and centre to try to wrong foot everyone.

Whether or not it works, it is very damaging to any residual trust in politics. But then that's part of Cummings' MO too. Feed on the fact that many people are so anaesthetised to distrustful politicians that they'll just shrug when you take it up to a whole new level.

[IDM]

If those numbers are accurate, only 37.4% of the electorate voted to leave..

The numbers are accurate and you are correct.

'Democracy' in action eh!

And even lower % wanted to stay in.  The EU since that point has done absolutely nothing to change the problems that some had with it.

And a very significant  % didn’t vote at all - my point being by not voting, you are not actively choosing the change..

If the government had arbitrarily decided to leave the EU with a referendum on the leave options, then that would be a different matter..

[IDM]

BFYP

There are nearly half a billion people in the EU. 17 million of them, many self-admitting to having little knowledge on the topic, voted for us to leave. You expect the EU to make major changes to satisfy the 3%?

Bear in mind even the remain vote was waged on changing the relationship with the eu, that is conveniently forgotten.

I wonder how many eu citizens and where like the eu as is or would want change.  We will of course not ever know that.

It’s easier to change how the club is run from within. 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Read this Twitter thread. All of it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1180543762205986821

This Financial Times journalist is NOT some soft as shite lefty. Far from it.

And look what he is saying. The UK economy has tanked since the 2016 vote.

Then remember. This tanking doesn't mean we all lose our jobs and pensions overnight. It means a long, slow decline.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AnitaCTHF/status/1180750977772769280

That's what you've given your grandkids. You older folk who voted Leave because...well why?

You've put the country your grandkids will inherit onto a long term slower growth trajectory.

That means they'll be poorer than they should have been. They'll work harder to pay the mortgage and the gas bill than they should have done.

They'll have a shitter NHS than they should have done, and worse pensions than you have.

But f**k it eh? You took back control.

[albie]

If folk thought they were "taking back control", then who did they think was going to have it?

Well, it looks like Borump is getting ready to sell off control to US corporations:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/agriculture/news/107053/brexit-uk-moves-scrap-%e2%80%98level-playing-field%e2%80%99-eu

Protections removed, then sell the asset...just like Bury FC really.
True to form, eh!

[wilts rover]

or put another way:

Leaked government briefing paper concludes that UK will not be able to resist pressure to massively weaken environment & health standards in pursuit of trade deals post Brexit & this will..”irreparably damage the environment & public health”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trump-food-hygiene-standards-trade-department-memo-a9145971.html
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/10/07/brexit-liz-truss-theresa-villiers-defra/

Put that on the side of your bus...

[SydneyRover]

There's so much to tell your grandkids as they grow up, how you voted for the referendum and the party to give back control as you cook the 3 legged chicken for dinner with a corn syrup gravy.

[BigH]

Read this Twitter thread. All of it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1180543762205986821

This Financial Times journalist is NOT some soft as shite lefty. Far from it.

And look what he is saying. The UK economy has tanked since the 2016 vote.

Then remember. This tanking doesn't mean we all lose our jobs and pensions overnight. It means a long, slow decline.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AnitaCTHF/status/1180750977772769280

That's what you've given your grandkids. You older folk who voted Leave because...well why?

You've put the country your grandkids will inherit onto a long term slower growth trajectory.

That means they'll be poorer than they should have been. They'll work harder to pay the mortgage and the gas bill than they should have done.

They'll have a shitter NHS than they should have done, and worse pensions than you have.

But f**k it eh? You took back control.

Funny how Professor Patrick Minford has slunk from view...

Even he - the doyen of the Brexit economist brigade - realises that there is no longer a basis for peddling the nonsense about the supposed economic case for Brexit.

[Not Now Kato]

The Cummings Plan revealed
 
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/how-number-10-view-the-state-of-the-negotiations/
 

Our legal advice is clear that we can do all sorts of things to scupper delay which for obvious reasons we aren’t going into details about. Different lawyers see the “frustration principle” very differently especially on a case like this where there is no precedent for primary legislation directing how the PM conducts international discussions.

We will make clear privately and publicly that countries which oppose delay will go the front of the queue for future cooperation — cooperation on things both within and outside EU competences. Those who support  delay will go to the bottom of the queue.

we won’t engage in further talks, we obviously won’t given any undertakings about cooperative behaviour, everything to do with ‘duty of sincere cooperation’ will be in the toilet, we will focus on winning the election on a manifesto of immediately revoking the entire EU legal order without further talks, and then we will leave.

Be afraid people, be very afraid!
 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Read this Twitter thread. All of it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1180543762205986821

This Financial Times journalist is NOT some soft as shite lefty. Far from it.

And look what he is saying. The UK economy has tanked since the 2016 vote.

Then remember. This tanking doesn't mean we all lose our jobs and pensions overnight. It means a long, slow decline.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AnitaCTHF/status/1180750977772769280

That's what you've given your grandkids. You older folk who voted Leave because...well why?

You've put the country your grandkids will inherit onto a long term slower growth trajectory.

That means they'll be poorer than they should have been. They'll work harder to pay the mortgage and the gas bill than they should have done.

They'll have a shitter NHS than they should have done, and worse pensions than you have.

But f**k it eh? You took back control.

Funny how Professor Patrick Minford has slunk from view...

Even he - the doyen of the Brexit economist brigade - realises that there is no longer a basis for peddling the nonsense about the supposed economic case for Brexit.

Did you see that comment in Chris Giles's tweet about how Mumford has deleted the predictions he made about the economy booming after the Brexit vote?

But he did his job. There's folk on here still quote him as a serious economist who says we'll be great after Brexit.

[Not Now Kato]

The governments jus published No Deal Readiness Report makes interesting reading....
 
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/837312/DExEUReportWEB.PDF?fbclid=IwAR0nnCQ6KBQsK6uLVyOZIugKdA8dlUe_ZxYvgisCr_zcyXwaSfpBmTdt0ms
 
Basically, it says we're not actually ready, (though we've done a bit of work in the background), and we're passing the buck to business, financial institutions and consumers.  But don't worry BJ's Foreword and Gove's Preface mean everything's going to be just hunky dory - and I doubt leavers will read any more of it than that!

[albie]

Flint and the Labour rebels have written to the EU to urge agreeing a deal...unfortunately it is unclear what deal they think the EU should agree;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGXXkNBWsAMZd0_.jpg
and
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGXXkNCXYAUqNaf.jpg

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just electioneering Albie. So they can say "Well, WE wanted to vote for a deal" on the doorsteps in November.

[wilts rover]

Posted without comment from Tom Peck but I advise you to read the article:

I can’t recall many days in the last few years like this one. There is absolutely nothing funny to say. A clique of liars, frauds, degenerates and psychopaths, shielded from the misery they spread, have broken their country for nothing. They will be reviled for all time.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-boris-johnson-cummings-gove-merkel-no-deal-a9147696.html

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've just heard possibly THE most disgraceful interview by a politician in my lifetime.

Head of the Tory backbench MPs' 1922 Committee on R4.

When asked about Cummings' manic ramble this morning he answered, "His do we know that happened? You in the media could be making it up."

Just deliberately and wilfully spreading the message that there is no objective truth anymore. Dismiss anything difficult as Fake News. Encourage people to disconnect from facts and trust their gut.

This is so, so dangerous. There'll be a reckoning eventually, but the damage this is doing to public discussion is horrific.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And when the reckoning comes, this Kitson, this disgusting, horrible, evil bas**rd Banks will be the perfect example of how this country lost its soul.

Just look at the filth his and Farage's Leave.EU are pumping out today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Arron_banks/status/1181599586672156672

It's 20-f**king-19. Who sees this, 75 years after the fighting stopped and feels anything but revulsion?

And when you've got a repulsive rabble rouser like Morgan telling you you've gone too far...

Anyone, ANYONE who supports the Brexit Party is putting themselves in line with this shit. Take a look at yourselves and ask where your souls are.