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Plus being mismanaged for all these years and we don;t even have trade agreements of any note set up with ready markets, if the UK was a business the receivers would have been called in already.
Voting for brexit is voting for an open season for carpetbaggers as they hang around like piranha in the sewers.''Dominic Cummings accused of conflict of interest over NHS fundBoris Johnson’s aide was consultant for AI startup that could win share of £250m fund''https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/11/dominic-cummings-accused-of-conflict-of-interest-over-nhs-fund
I hope that most of you do realise, that if Bojo does get a deal over the line, and the markets are looking like it is feasible, that is the opposition parties finished for quite a while.
I bet you won't read about this in the Sun, Mail Express etc...... https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2019/1307/contents/made Explained here...... https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/10/11/hmrc-plan-to-suspend-the-rule-of-law-in-the-event-of-brexit/ And Brexiters still think it's a good Idea!
Sproty?And? Someone can have different political views to you and still be correct in the way they identify, interpret and report facts.Your post sums up the shithole that we are in. "He's from the other side of the political fence to me, therefore I'll ignore him because he must be lying."
You haven't and I shouldn't have said that. But it doesn't change the fact that you are playing the man, not the issue.What difference does it make which "camp" he is in? And why on earth would you feel the need to point that out?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 12, 2019, 01:44:34 pmYou haven't and I shouldn't have said that. But it doesn't change the fact that you are playing the man, not the issue.What difference does it make which "camp" he is in? And why on earth would you feel the need to point that out?It's hardly an un biased source, he has a view but it's his interpretation of the Law, which in this case is not correct.
Quote from: Sprotyrover on October 12, 2019, 02:03:19 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 12, 2019, 01:44:34 pmYou haven't and I shouldn't have said that. But it doesn't change the fact that you are playing the man, not the issue.What difference does it make which "camp" he is in? And why on earth would you feel the need to point that out?It's hardly an un biased source, he has a view but it's his interpretation of the Law, which in this case is not correct. I posted a link to the full government article. So, having read it fully - what's your interpretation?
Sproty.So yeah. As the man was saying. The Govt are giving HMRC the power to suspend collecting certain taxes in the event that Brexit is a clusterf**k.Once again. What was he saying that you disagreed with? And if you're not disagreeing with him, why did you bring up his political leanings?
Sproty.The point is WHY they need that "flexibility" (and by the way, when have you ever known HMRC be given sweeping powers to suspend tax before in your lifetime?)You reckon planning like that is not something that the public should be aware of and discuss?
GlynAgreed, but it's the "writ large" bit that is critical, surely?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2019, 01:46:35 pmGlynAgreed, but it's the "writ large" bit that is critical, surely?Only if it's used, and what it's used for. At the moment, it's just a necessary piece of delegated legislation that's needed to make any possible form of Brexit work without having to take the time to refer a decision back to Parliament in the short term. It certainly doesn't mean that Parliament is bypassed altogether, Parliament can scrutinise any usage of this Statutory Instrument whenever it likes.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 13, 2019, 02:56:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2019, 01:46:35 pmGlynAgreed, but it's the "writ large" bit that is critical, surely?Only if it's used, and what it's used for. At the moment, it's just a necessary piece of delegated legislation that's needed to make any possible form of Brexit work without having to take the time to refer a decision back to Parliament in the short term. It certainly doesn't mean that Parliament is bypassed altogether, Parliament can scrutinise any usage of this Statutory Instrument whenever it likes. Indeed it can, AFTER THE EVENT! And after the event there is nothing parliament can do about it retrospectively other than to say 'well that wasn't very good was it?' if they believed it was very bad for the country. Brexit has been so badly thought through and so badly actioned that has led to a mess like this. Abdicating responsibility is hardly taking back control, nor is it getting back our sovereignty - two of leaves principal drivers!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on October 13, 2019, 03:28:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 13, 2019, 02:56:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2019, 01:46:35 pmGlynAgreed, but it's the "writ large" bit that is critical, surely?Only if it's used, and what it's used for. At the moment, it's just a necessary piece of delegated legislation that's needed to make any possible form of Brexit work without having to take the time to refer a decision back to Parliament in the short term. It certainly doesn't mean that Parliament is bypassed altogether, Parliament can scrutinise any usage of this Statutory Instrument whenever it likes. Indeed it can, AFTER THE EVENT! And after the event there is nothing parliament can do about it retrospectively other than to say 'well that wasn't very good was it?' if they believed it was very bad for the country. Brexit has been so badly thought through and so badly actioned that has led to a mess like this. Abdicating responsibility is hardly taking back control, nor is it getting back our sovereignty - two of leaves principal drivers!Yes, the same as every other use of Statutory Instruments...ever! This is NOTHING new, it's been standard practice for decades.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 13, 2019, 03:32:46 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on October 13, 2019, 03:28:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 13, 2019, 02:56:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2019, 01:46:35 pmGlynAgreed, but it's the "writ large" bit that is critical, surely?Only if it's used, and what it's used for. At the moment, it's just a necessary piece of delegated legislation that's needed to make any possible form of Brexit work without having to take the time to refer a decision back to Parliament in the short term. It certainly doesn't mean that Parliament is bypassed altogether, Parliament can scrutinise any usage of this Statutory Instrument whenever it likes. Indeed it can, AFTER THE EVENT! And after the event there is nothing parliament can do about it retrospectively other than to say 'well that wasn't very good was it?' if they believed it was very bad for the country. Brexit has been so badly thought through and so badly actioned that has led to a mess like this. Abdicating responsibility is hardly taking back control, nor is it getting back our sovereignty - two of leaves principal drivers!Yes, the same as every other use of Statutory Instruments...ever! This is NOTHING new, it's been standard practice for decades. The argument that 'we've always done it like that' is hardly a sound basis to justify something! We always used to send small boys up chimneys........
Quote from: Not Now Kato on October 13, 2019, 03:40:22 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 13, 2019, 03:32:46 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on October 13, 2019, 03:28:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 13, 2019, 02:56:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2019, 01:46:35 pmGlynAgreed, but it's the "writ large" bit that is critical, surely?Only if it's used, and what it's used for. At the moment, it's just a necessary piece of delegated legislation that's needed to make any possible form of Brexit work without having to take the time to refer a decision back to Parliament in the short term. It certainly doesn't mean that Parliament is bypassed altogether, Parliament can scrutinise any usage of this Statutory Instrument whenever it likes. Indeed it can, AFTER THE EVENT! And after the event there is nothing parliament can do about it retrospectively other than to say 'well that wasn't very good was it?' if they believed it was very bad for the country. Brexit has been so badly thought through and so badly actioned that has led to a mess like this. Abdicating responsibility is hardly taking back control, nor is it getting back our sovereignty - two of leaves principal drivers!Yes, the same as every other use of Statutory Instruments...ever! This is NOTHING new, it's been standard practice for decades. The argument that 'we've always done it like that' is hardly a sound basis to justify something! We always used to send small boys up chimneys........It has to be done like that because there just isn't the time to put every tiny detail of every bloody policy through both Houses of Parliament, there simply isn't enough hours in the day to physically do it!