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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: since-1969 on November 15, 2021, 02:25:36 pm
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…..that both manager and upper management perhaps underestimated the extent of the work required just to keep Rovers on an even keel.
So what finally made the penny drop .
Was recruitment or performances or our dreadful away record or paying for players who aren’t featuring or our managers amateur approach to everything he does and his excuses for how things end up. WHO KNOWS ?
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Put a link on
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/liam-hoden-in-building-for-the-long-term-doncaster-rovers-may-have-overlooked-the-short-to-great-cost-3457286
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It's an opinion piece from LH. Not from the club itself.
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
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…..that both manager and upper management perhaps underestimated the extent of the work required just to keep Rovers on an even keel.
So what finally made the penny drop .
Was recruitment or performances or our dreadful away record or paying for players who aren’t featuring or our managers amateur approach to everything he does and his excuses for how things end up. WHO KNOWS ?
Nobody from the club has said anything like that. This is purely a no news day opinion of Hodens to fill in the lack of match reports etc.
of course you jumped on that though you miserable sod
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
hi again Bob “Gobshite”
It says Manager and Upper management so who IS the upper Management? IF not the club owners ! Doh !
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
hi again Bob “Gobshite”
It says Manager and Upper management so who IS the upper Management? IF not the club owners ! Doh !
Since when has LH been the final arbiter of truth about Rovers? And since when have you started swallowing everything he says?
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Since he can’t slag anyone off this week, however it may be credible news in his universe of misery
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It is a news paper article. Do not see any quotes from RW or GB in that article 1969.
There maybe some truth in what he writes, in fact i think there is a lot of truths in there.
1969 you just simply have decided Wellens is no good and whatever he does is not going to be good enough.
He had a limited budget to re build the entire squad this summer and whoever he brought in there was always going to missing pieces of the jigsaw. He was never going to complete the squad he wants in that 1 transfer window.
Hindsight is also a wonderful thing and if RW had known we were going to have those long term injuries then he may have recruited differently.
Taylor and Fej were both supposed to be fully fit and ready for 1st team action by the end of August.
As for the board well you have made your mind up a long time ago have you not?
No need to repeat your dissatisfaction over and over again. Think we have got the message.
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
hi again Bob “Gobshite”
It says Manager and Upper management so who IS the upper Management? IF not the club owners ! Doh !
Since when has LH been the final arbiter of truth about Rovers? And since when have you started swallowing everything he says?
The article was NOT LHs opinion, it was a cumulation of interviews that brought about a response from the hierarchy at the club that are examining the poor slide in the clubs on the field fortunes . Richie Wellens isn’t all to blame and they “the club” know this ,but it is Wellens job to put things on a sound footing by demonstrating a collaborative plan to guide the club and it very much looks like they maybe having second thoughts ?
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
hi again Bob “Gobshite”
It says Manager and Upper management so who IS the upper Management? IF not the club owners ! Doh !
Since when has LH been the final arbiter of truth about Rovers? And since when have you started swallowing everything he says?
The article was NOT LHs opinion, it was a cumulation of interviews that brought about a response from the hierarchy at the club that are examining the poor slide in the clubs on the field fortunes . Richie Wellens isn’t all to blame and they “the club” know this ,but it is Wellens job to put things on a sound footing by demonstrating a collaborative plan to guide the club and it very much looks like they maybe having second thoughts ?
Where is the evidence the board are “having second thoughts” Total speculation. I do not see RW getting the boot. He needs time and firmly believe we will see a considerable improvement in the next few weeks and over the 2nd half of the season.
To change manager now would achieve nothing imo. A massive step to even less stability.
Give the man time. Pleased we have a board that will.
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Must be written in invisible ink between the lines then - that article does not reference anything from the club
Once again you’ve made it up to fit your agenda
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It’s journalistic claptrap, written to fill empty lines in a sports section.
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
hi again Bob “Gobshite”
It says Manager and Upper management so who IS the upper Management? IF not the club owners ! Doh !
Since when has LH been the final arbiter of truth about Rovers? And since when have you started swallowing everything he says?
The article was NOT LHs opinion, it was a cumulation of interviews that brought about a response from the hierarchy at the club that are examining the poor slide in the clubs on the field fortunes . Richie Wellens isn’t all to blame and they “the club” know this ,but it is Wellens job to put things on a sound footing by demonstrating a collaborative plan to guide the club and it very much looks like they maybe having second thoughts ?
An article based on 'cumulative interviews' with NOT ONE direct quote from ANYBODY? Of course it's his fecking opinion.
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
hi again Bob “Gobshite”
It says Manager and Upper management so who IS the upper Management? IF not the club owners ! Doh !
Since when has LH been the final arbiter of truth about Rovers? And since when have you started swallowing everything he says?
The article was NOT LHs opinion, it was a cumulation of interviews that brought about a response from the hierarchy at the club that are examining the poor slide in the clubs on the field fortunes . Richie Wellens isn’t all to blame and they “the club” know this ,but it is Wellens job to put things on a sound footing by demonstrating a collaborative plan to guide the club and it very much looks like they maybe having second thoughts ?
An article based on 'cumulative interviews' with NOT ONE direct quote from ANYBODY? Of course it's his fecking opinion.
Do honestly think he would write an article on the clubs thoughts , as he is considered the official local reporter on the club, without them giving him a nod to its content or direction .
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
hi again Bob “Gobshite”
It says Manager and Upper management so who IS the upper Management? IF not the club owners ! Doh !
Since when has LH been the final arbiter of truth about Rovers? And since when have you started swallowing everything he says?
The article was NOT LHs opinion, it was a cumulation of interviews that brought about a response from the hierarchy at the club that are examining the poor slide in the clubs on the field fortunes . Richie Wellens isn’t all to blame and they “the club” know this ,but it is Wellens job to put things on a sound footing by demonstrating a collaborative plan to guide the club and it very much looks like they maybe having second thoughts ?
An article based on 'cumulative interviews' with NOT ONE direct quote from ANYBODY? Of course it's his fecking opinion.
Do honestly think he would write an article on the clubs thoughts , as he is considered the official local reporter on the club, without them giving him a nod to its content or direction .
Well, he's done exactly that in that article, without giving ANY provenance or attribution whatsoever!
He doesn't even bother to tell us what the 'acknowledgement' he mentions in his very first line is or who gave it!
Even the title you used for this thread - 'it has become apparent' tells us it's an opinion!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
hi again Bob “Gobshite”
It says Manager and Upper management so who IS the upper Management? IF not the club owners ! Doh !
Since when has LH been the final arbiter of truth about Rovers? And since when have you started swallowing everything he says?
The article was NOT LHs opinion, it was a cumulation of interviews that brought about a response from the hierarchy at the club that are examining the poor slide in the clubs on the field fortunes . Richie Wellens isn’t all to blame and they “the club” know this ,but it is Wellens job to put things on a sound footing by demonstrating a collaborative plan to guide the club and it very much looks like they maybe having second thoughts ?
An article based on 'cumulative interviews' with NOT ONE direct quote from ANYBODY? Of course it's his fecking opinion.
Do honestly think he would write an article on the clubs thoughts , as he is considered the official local reporter on the club, without them giving him a nod to its content or direction .
Well, he's done exactly that in that article, without giving ANY provenance or attribution whatsoever!
He doesn't even bother to tell us what the 'acknowledgement' he mentions in his very first line is or who gave it!
Even the title you used for this thread - 'it has become apparent' tells us it's an opinion!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Without wishing to repeat what was written , his reference to the clubs hierarchy and upper management, says he had spoken to them and concluded that it was their accumulated belief that the job required by Wellens was indeed bigger that first assumed .
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Without wishing to repeat what was written , his reference to the clubs hierarchy and upper management, says he had spoken to them and concluded that it was their accumulated belief that the job required by Wellens was indeed bigger that first assumed .
How can you repeat something that wasn't written? lol
NOWHERE does he say he's spoken to anybody at the club about the contents of that article.
And then - and then!! - you say he CONCLUDED that it was their belief!!!
To CONCLUDE something is form a fecking opinion!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please, for the love of God, tell me you're not an English teacher.
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Without wishing to repeat what was written , his reference to the clubs hierarchy and upper management, says he had spoken to them and concluded that it was their accumulated belief that the job required by Wellens was indeed bigger that first assumed .
How can you repeat something that wasn't written? lol
NOWHERE does he say he's spoken to anybody at the club about the contents of that article.
And then - and then!! - you say he CONCLUDED that it was their belief!!!
To CONCLUDE something is form a fecking opinion!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please, for the love of God, tell me you're not an English teacher.
Why does he say that the upper management etc if he meant it was his in his opinion? Never in the article does he say it is not an assumption or what he believes to be so or offers his OPINION . Why ?… because it’s their opinion NOT his !! Wellens out !!
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Pike ........... I'll leave the rest to you
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Without wishing to repeat what was written , his reference to the clubs hierarchy and upper management, says he had spoken to them and concluded that it was their accumulated belief that the job required by Wellens was indeed bigger that first assumed .
How can you repeat something that wasn't written? lol
NOWHERE does he say he's spoken to anybody at the club about the contents of that article.
And then - and then!! - you say he CONCLUDED that it was their belief!!!
To CONCLUDE something is form a fecking opinion!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please, for the love of God, tell me you're not an English teacher.
Why does he say that the upper management etc if he meant it was his in his opinion? Never in the article does he say it is not an assumption or what he believes to be so or offers his OPINION . Why ?… because it’s their opinion NOT his !! Wellens out !!
Where does he say it's THEIR opinion?
If you had access to the interviews you claim he's had with them, what CONCLUSION would you draw from them? You don't know, and neither does anybody else. All we have is the word of a journalist so bad he can't tell the difference between allusive and elusive.
Your last post is merely your CONCLUSION about his CONCLUSION!!
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
Not sure this level of abuse is really called for. The forum should be more respectful of other opinions.
I know Bob G posts a lot on here and has very different views to 1969 but the personal attacks are often started by regular more senior posters.
Last week many of us spoke on how good this forum is - we should try and keep the comments/insults to a minimum.
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
Not sure this level of abuse is really called for. The forum should be more respectful of other opinions.
I know Bob G posts a lot on here and has very different views to 1969 but the personal attacks are often started by regular more senior posters.
Last week many of us spoke on how good this forum is - we should try and keep the comments/insults to a minimum.
if he Doesn't dish it out it etc etc !!
This forums is FULL of it . When a point of view or an opinion begins to attract the opposite views etc it descends to rubbishing it by personal attacks .
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No. When assholes like 1969 continue to peddle claptrap that is solely designed to foster is own ego, then said assholes will get what they deserve. 1969 is uneducated, opinionated and a t**t of the highest order.
Anyone who offers cogent, logical arguments based upon verifable fact can reach whatever conclusion he likes and neither I nor anyone else of intelligence will mind one bit. Opinion masquerading as fact and 'facts' made up to suit the writer will always be shot down. How that shooting down is done depends upon the behaviour of the originator. 1969 deserves all he gets. And more.
BobG
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And 1969 didn't give any attribution either. Spouting b*llocks again as if his own tiny mind had made it up...
BobG
Not sure this level of abuse is really called for. The forum should be more respectful of other opinions.
I know Bob G posts a lot on here and has very different views to 1969 but the personal attacks are often started by regular more senior posters.
Last week many of us spoke on how good this forum is - we should try and keep the comments/insults to a minimum.
if he Doesn't dish it out it etc etc !!
This forums is FULL of it . When a point of view or an opinion begins to attract the opposite views etc it descends to rubbishing it by personal attacks .
So that article IS an opinion!
I knew we'd get there!!
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Thats un called for bob g.
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No one has to read 1969 posts. Let alone reply to them.
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No one has to read 1969 posts. Let alone reply to them.
No-one has to post 1969 posts either, let alone post them as a means to misrepresent other people's words.
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I just feel bob g rant was bang out of order. If other posters was to say what he said I'm sure words would be had. If 1969 said same about Bob what would be said. Anyway nothing to do with me not even read the thread or even bothered. Just felt it was uncalled for thats all and I'm voicing my concern. Its kind of bully tactics.
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I just feel bob g rant was bang out of order. If other posters was to say what he said I'm sure words would be had. If 1969 said same about Bob what would be said. Anyway nothing to do with me not even read the thread or even bothered. Just felt it was uncalled for thats all and I'm voicing my concern. Its kind of bully tactics.
Then report it to the mods.
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I suspect the OP's intention was to be mischievous and provoke, so he's achieved his aim.
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Nope it was to continue to drive his petty anti Rovers agenda
Bob only put in words what we all (sorry most of us) think
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No. When assholes like 1969 continue to peddle claptrap that is solely designed to foster is own ego, then said assholes will get what they deserve. 1969 is uneducated, opinionated and a t**t of the highest order.
Anyone who offers cogent, logical arguments based upon verifable fact can reach whatever conclusion he likes and neither I nor anyone else of intelligence will mind one bit. Opinion masquerading as fact and 'facts' made up to suit the writer will always be shot down. How that shooting down is done depends upon the behaviour of the originator. 1969 deserves all he gets. And more.
BobG
Listen Bob the big GOB..go back through your trolls and find any comments where YOU didn’t start the abuse !! So get back to sleep it’s winter now !!
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Just looked at the tweet that Hoden posted to introduce his article. And I quote
“ Some thoughts from me on how the short term may have been overlooked a little in Rovers’ bid to build for the long #drfc”
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No. When assholes like 1969 continue to peddle claptrap that is solely designed to foster is own ego, then said assholes will get what they deserve. 1969 is uneducated, opinionated and a t**t of the highest order.
Anyone who offers cogent, logical arguments based upon verifable fact can reach whatever conclusion he likes and neither I nor anyone else of intelligence will mind one bit. Opinion masquerading as fact and 'facts' made up to suit the writer will always be shot down. How that shooting down is done depends upon the behaviour of the originator. 1969 deserves all he gets. And more.
BobG
Listen Bob the big GOB..go back through your trolls and find any comments where YOU didn’t start the abuse !! So get back to sleep it’s winter now !!
Don’t worry about it, been on the drink again. Always gets violent when pissed up.
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FWIW, I read that as totally LH's opinion on things....
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So calling someone a gobsh!te isn't personal abuse? Think you should look back of some of 69s post to see where abuse starts
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Just looked at the tweet that Hoden posted to introduce his article. And I quote
“ Some thoughts from me on how the short term may have been overlooked a little in Rovers’ bid to build for the long #drfc”
I don't use twitter so I never saw that, I only went on the article itself.
Obviously 1969 doesn't twitter as well because he can't have seen it either, otherwise he wouldn't still be obstinately trying to twist the article into being the club's thoughts. When anyone with eyes can see that it isn't.
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I don’t use twitter either and read the article initially as LH’s opinion, it was only afterwards that I was made aware of Hodens twitter account and the preamble to his article.
Purely a no news day filler that some people have jumped on to support their own blinkered viewpoint
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I don’t use twitter either and read the article initially as LH’s opinion, it was only afterwards that I was made aware of Hodens twitter account and the preamble to his article.
Purely a no news day filler that some people have jumped on to support their own blinkered viewpoint
It's not his use of it to support what he thinks I object to, that I expect. I object to his twisting of it as being a direct communication from the club in order to try and prove that his vitriol about the club has been right all along. When it isn't. Goebbels would be proud of him.
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I don’t use twitter either and read the article initially as LH’s opinion, it was only afterwards that I was made aware of Hodens twitter account and the preamble to his article.
Purely a no news day filler that some people have jumped on to support their own blinkered viewpoint
It's not his use of it to support what he thinks I object to, that I expect. I object to his twisting of it as being a direct communication from the club in order to try and prove that his vitriol about the club has been right all along. When it isn't. Goebbels would be proud of him.
Exactly Glyn. If the OP had only said, 'Liam Hoden agrees with me/I agree with Liam Hoden' then it could have been a short discussion on the same old ground. It was once it became obvious (ie by reading it yourself) that he was twisting it into being the club's point of view wwhen it wasn't - and then trying to defend that - it degenerates.
If you are going to make stuff up - be prepared to be called out on it.
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Can we all start to be a bit more respectful of people on the forum? And that includes all members.
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Can we all start to be a bit more respectful of people on the forum? And that includes all members.
If people were a bit more respectful to the truth in the first place it would help too.
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I just feel bob g rant was bang out of order. If other posters was to say what he said I'm sure words would be had. If 1969 said same about Bob what would be said. Anyway nothing to do with me not even read the thread or even bothered. Just felt it was uncalled for thats all and I'm voicing my concern. Its kind of bully tactics.
You must be unfamiliar with the set up here if this surprises you.