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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Draytonian III on October 30, 2021, 06:25:42 pm
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….one way or the other, who do people want to replace him ? Remember we don’t usually poach managers from other clubs and Copps doesn’t want it
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SO …and your point Is
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Most likely, if Wellens stays, we go down. Any manager we can get is worth a try- they literally won't be able to do any worse, only better.
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Unless he walks he will be going nowhere.
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SO …and your point Is
I was asking a question, to open up a discussion
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Well, if the board go through their usual rigmarole in appointing a manager, then we'll be needing a caretaker first.
I wonder if Paul Green would fancy giving it a go?
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SO …and your point Is
I was asking a question, to open up a discussion
So you just haven’t got an answer either ?
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Thing is as fans we don’t have enough knowledge of who’s who and how well they are thought of within the industry so inevitably we go for the same old choices who we know.
The club has interviewed a lot of potential managers over the years. Some will have just missed out on the job and would have come well recommend. I’d start there if I were paid to run the club.
We always get 100s of applications for the job. Maybe they’d all have us on even fewer points than we are but I’d imagine a decent number would have done a better job in hindsight
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McSheffrey would be caretaker manager.
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If you read this forum after this many games into sods reign it would be full of people making comments like there is tonight.
Not saying he’s going to turn us into that but I am saying this many games into a tenure is not the time to sack a manager.
Moore has a lot to answer for and if we’d appointed wellens after mccann I don’t think we’d be struggling down the bottom of league one.
He would’ve signed someone like clarke Harris when Marquis left and wouldn’t have got rid of players like Blair and May.
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What we don't need is another rookie manager. We need someone who has knowledge of this division and knows how to make a team resilient.
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If you read this forum after this many games into sods reign it would be full of people making comments like there is tonight.
Not saying he’s going to turn us into that but I am saying this many games into a tenure is not the time to sack a manager.
Moore has a lot to answer for and if we’d appointed wellens after mccann I don’t think we’d be struggling down the bottom of league one.
He would’ve signed someone like clarke Harris when Marquis left and wouldn’t have got rid of players like Blair and May.
I agree it is too soon. But when does the decision need to be made in your opinion? I think by the of November to give the new man time before January.
Everyone is going to be buzzing if Wellens can turn it around like SOD that doesn’t mean question shouldn’t be asked
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Most likely, if Wellens stays, we go down. Any manager we can get is worth a try- they literally won't be able to do any worse, only better.
I’ve always said we’ll stay up, I’m getting worried now.
I still say you’ve got to give until he’s had a few games with Fej, John, Taylor etc before you give him the nudge. What worries me is we don’t seem to have any knowledge or idea of how to defend and some of his signings have been the worst I’ve seen, don’t know if they’re his mates or what.
I just think if you change the manager now, it’ll cost a lot of money and the new man has got an excuse if we get relegated. I know people will say if we keep him and go down it’ll cost a lot of money but we’re stuck with the players we’ve got now we might as well see if he has got a plan.
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What we don't need is another rookie manager. We need someone who has knowledge of this division and knows how to make a team resilient.
Not something that is going to happen with these players.
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Fifteen games into O'Driscoll's reign he'd picked up 23 points. We'd just won 3 league games on the bounce. There weren't many calling for his head.
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Sol Campbell. He got Macc out of the shit and maybe his stature would elicit some response from the players who clearly are not reacting to anything Wellens is doing.
Campbell also did well at Southend.
Both Southend and Macc are not now in the FL so proves what a good job he did. He claims to be desperate for a job and wouldn't cost the earth and is a free agent. Rather have Campbell than Wellens in terms of experience and desire.
Wellens just doesn't look up to it. Doesn't seem to have the grit to succeed at management.
Given the board are tightening the ship and mugging off us fans on the cheap, i don't think the next manager would be coming here if he wasn't desperate,
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Fifteen games into O'Driscoll's reign he'd picked up 23 points. We'd just won 3 league games on the bounce. There weren't many calling for his head.
I was just going to look that up...
To be fair to Richie though, I think a Sean inherited a better squad and he didn't have the injury nightmare.
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If you read this forum after this many games into sods reign it would be full of people making comments like there is tonight.
Not saying he’s going to turn us into that but I am saying this many games into a tenure is not the time to sack a manager.
Moore has a lot to answer for and if we’d appointed wellens after mccann I don’t think we’d be struggling down the bottom of league one.
He would’ve signed someone like clarke Harris when Marquis left and wouldn’t have got rid of players like Blair and May.
I agree it is too soon. But when does the decision need to be made in your opinion? I think by the of November to give the new man time before January.
Everyone is going to be buzzing if Wellens can turn it around like SOD that doesn’t mean question shouldn’t be asked
It’s only my opinion but I wouldn’t sack him,
I’m much more comfortable with him in charge than I was with Moore.
I agree with what he’s trying to do and the way Moore dismantled our squad was a disgrace really
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Fifteen games into O'Driscoll's reign he'd picked up 23 points. We'd just won 3 league games on the bounce. There weren't many calling for his head.
Have a look back at the forum, it was awash with people demanding he go back down south and complaining about terrible signings like stock
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SO …and your point Is
I was asking a question, to open up a discussion
but you have to allow for posters on here (with negative I . Q's like minus 69 and goldfish memories) not understanding or remembering how the site works .. :scarf:
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If you read this forum after this many games into sods reign it would be full of people making comments like there is tonight.
Not saying he’s going to turn us into that but I am saying this many games into a tenure is not the time to sack a manager.
Moore has a lot to answer for and if we’d appointed wellens after mccann I don’t think we’d be struggling down the bottom of league one.
He would’ve signed someone like clarke Harris when Marquis left and wouldn’t have got rid of players like Blair and May.
I agree it is too soon. But when does the decision need to be made in your opinion? I think by the of November to give the new man time before January.
Everyone is going to be buzzing if Wellens can turn it around like SOD that doesn’t mean question shouldn’t be asked
It’s only my opinion but I wouldn’t sack him,
I’m much more comfortable with him in charge than I was with Moore.
I agree with what he’s trying to do and the way Moore dismantled our squad was a disgrace really
I get that and we could be in a better place if he can bring us back up and give us the stability we’ve needed. I worry it’s a gamble that would be so expensive if we’re poor next season in the league below with another summer of poor recruitment.
If he shows no sign of improvement throughout this season that gamble on the second season will just get riskier and riskier. If it was my money I’d not be too happy about the risk
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I don’t think his signings are bad players, they’re maybe struggling with confidence due to the start we had when we had so many players missing.
But close, Galbraith, knoyle, hiwulu, doodoo, etc are all good enough pedigree for this league to. Or be sat at the bottom
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Rowe is a decent signing too.
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Hiwula and Dodoo are strikers who don't score many and don't create many. They are poor signings.
Vilca is a poor addition. Too lightweight and go missing for large periods in games like the above 2.
Galbraith is the only signing of any real quality.
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In a team playing like this it's difficult to have a serious opinion on strikers.
Not until they stop leaking goals and start to play with confidence.
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Hiwula is shocking and only wants to know when in acres of space.
Dodoo tries.....
Vilca is the likeliest of the 3 to actually do something with the ball. Young Kyle Bennett.
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We have plenty of the ball in midfield. Too much in fact. The problem is the lack of movement from the likes of Dodoo and Hiwula. Talk about lazy. No movement from anyone. Times when Bostock has the ball, looks up for someone to hit but there is nobody because nobody can be arsed to f**king run and move.
Maybe sort this out too Richie whilst you are at it?
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Again Padge,
Unntil the midfield have confidence in the back line, until they are confident to go forward and create, you can't have a serious opinion on strikers.
Today they weren't creating the chances.
You can't build a house without firm foundations.
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How can you create chances for strikers who have zero off the ball movement??
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What do they do on the training ground? We regularly have thros-ins and nobody is moving or even looking kike they want the ball. We are so slow in the build-up that most attacking options disappear. We can all see these problems, but is it anything done in training to try and rectify them
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Fifteen games into O'Driscoll's reign he'd picked up 23 points. We'd just won 3 league games on the bounce. There weren't many calling for his head.
I remember one particular Tuesday night at home to Yeovil, half the stadium emptied after about 60 mins in disgust
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How can you create chances for strikers who have zero off the ball movement??
Perhaps they are just demoralised?
I'm not saying there are not problems upfront but it's difficult to know while it's so shambolic at the back.
They've just got to defend better, that's the start. Defence. Always.
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Demoralised???? They should be cock a hoop cos they’ve hit the jackpot in conning us out of a wage!!
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Another pointless thread feeding the fanbase more regurgitated opinions without realistic solutions….
I’ll say this fkin slowly for the half-witted!
Richie- had - to- build- a-team- with-his-initial-budget-, the-team-was-decimated-by-previous-mismanagement, So-Richie-used-all-of-his-budget-to-get-enough-players-to-be-able-to-fulfill-fixtures!
I’m-sure-he-would-have-preferred-to-add-quality-players-to-an-existing-squad-to-strengthen-it, - but-that-wasn’t-the-case-as-you-all-well-know!
You were there, you saw what happened, yet you expect so much more than can be realistically achieved under the circumstances…..
I’m more Disapointed in the so called supporters who have chosen to forget how Richies tenure started, and assume that he started with a level playing field….
Donny has really shitty supporters!
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Fifteen games into O'Driscoll's reign he'd picked up 23 points. We'd just won 3 league games on the bounce. There weren't many calling for his head.
I remember one particular Tuesday night at home to Yeovil, half the stadium emptied after about 60 mins in disgust
That was the following season. The one where week after week he kept picking Wilson and leaving Green in the bench.
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Sha66y
Don’t always agree with you but that is spot on
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Wonder if Dingle Mick would fancy it?! Probably too low profile.
Said before Wellens that I could see someone like Neil Harris getting it and I don't see why he couldn't do a job in League One.
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Fifteen games into O'Driscoll's reign he'd picked up 23 points. We'd just won 3 league games on the bounce. There weren't many calling for his head.
I remember one particular Tuesday night at home to Yeovil, half the stadium emptied after about 60 mins in disgust
That was the following season. The one where week after week he kept picking Wilson and leaving Green in the bench.
It was also in his first season I can remember early into his reign away at Scunthorpe and people saying he had no passion for a derby and it was the worst derby performance in years.
Even later on that first season we went on a bad run lost away to Yeovil and also got battered 4-0 by someone.
We ended that season very poorly,
Point is it takes a manager longer than 15 games to get the side playing how he wants them to, there’s loads of examples.
We need to give him time
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Sha66y
Don’t always agree with you but that is spot on
you're on one tonight trying to fight fires in defending Wellens. You did the same with Dickov. That ended well…..
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I’ve defended most of our managers, Moore is the only one that I thought didn’t really have a clue what he was doing.
I defended dickov in the championship because he did a very good job for us for 90% of that time he was poor in league one
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Sha66y
Don’t always agree with you but that is spot on
you're on one tonight trying to fight fires in defending Wellens. You did the same with Dickov. That ended well…..
It’s not about defending Wellens….it’s about pointing out what happened prior to the season starting, of which you and the rest of the narrow heads seem to have forgotten…….are you saying that you weren’t aware of the team being decimated, then having to be rebuilt??….
Or isn’t that important enough for you and the narrow heads to consider!??
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It wasn't about taking time for O'Driscoll to get his side playing as he wanted. He did that very quickly. The problems that led to underperformance for the first 12 months were entirely self inflicted - predominantly his bizarre insistence that Wilson and Guy were better than Green and Heffernan. Once he ditched that obsession, out of necessity, we were fine.
Meantime, the very first thing O'Driscoll did when he arrived was to instigate a style of play that emphasised solidity. He started off with three 0-0s on the bounce and we kept 6 clean sheets in his first 10 league games. It was f**king grim watching but it gave us a foundation.
Wellens on the other hand has out together the worst defensive unit since the days of Darren Finley. That means that we are finding it impossible to grit out results and give some breathing space for Wellens to work on the style he wants to bring to the club.
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Sha66y
Don’t always agree with you but that is spot on
you're on one tonight trying to fight fires in defending Wellens. You did the same with Dickov. That ended well…..
It’s not about defending Wellens….it’s about pointing out what happened prior to the season starting, of which you and the rest of the narrow heads seem to have forgotten…….are you saying that you weren’t aware of the team being decimated, then having to be rebuilt??….
Or isn’t that important enough for you and the narrow heads to consider!??
Spot on, Shag.
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Another pointless thread feeding the fanbase more regurgitated opinions without realistic solutions….
I’ll say this fkin slowly for the half-witted!
Richie- had - to- build- a-team- with-his-initial-budget-, the-team-was-decimated-by-previous-mismanagement, So-Richie-used-all-of-his-budget-to-get-enough-players-to-be-able-to-fulfill-fixtures!
I’m-sure-he-would-have-preferred-to-add-quality-players-to-an-existing-squad-to-strengthen-it, - but-that-wasn’t-the-case-as-you-all-well-know!
You were there, you saw what happened, yet you expect so much more than can be realistically achieved under the circumstances…..
I’m more Disapointed in the so called supporters who have chosen to forget how Richies tenure started, and assume that he started with a level playing field….
Donny has really shitty supporters!
Good grief, I wish there were some political threads to argue on tonight.
(Imaginary tongue in cheek emoji here).
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The idea that Wellens was given a budget that doomed him to failure is nonsense IMHO- he has built a team that would struggle in League 2. That is the key question for the board though when weighing up whether to trust him with more money in January or to find a new manager.
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I’m well aware of what happened before the season me old fruit bat. I wanted Wellens at this club wholeheartedly. I still did until a few weeks ago. But whilst watching the team, regardless of their ability, I see absolutely no organisation, shape, structure, method of play or any evidence that they’re being adequately coached. And then the bullshit he spouts afterwards makes me think that no player would want to play for that type of bloke. Fathead!!
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Another pointless thread feeding the fanbase more regurgitated opinions without realistic solutions….
I’ll say this fkin slowly for the half-witted!
Richie- had - to- build- a-team- with-his-initial-budget-, the-team-was-decimated-by-previous-mismanagement, So-Richie-used-all-of-his-budget-to-get-enough-players-to-be-able-to-fulfill-fixtures!
I’m-sure-he-would-have-preferred-to-add-quality-players-to-an-existing-squad-to-strengthen-it, - but-that-wasn’t-the-case-as-you-all-well-know!
You were there, you saw what happened, yet you expect so much more than can be realistically achieved under the circumstances…..
I’m more Disapointed in the so called supporters who have chosen to forget how Richies tenure started, and assume that he started with a level playing field….
Donny has really shitty supporters!
Ok. Maybe i'm half-witted
I've just looked at each clubs in's and out's this summer just in terms of numbers. Every club had a similar amount of new players come in and old ones leave. Confidence was decimated by Moore but it's normal for lower division teams to have a high turnover. So i don't buy that.
Also you don't seem to understand a budget. If the last manager decimated the squad that means there's a lot of surplus budget to be spent i.e. the wages of the players who have left. That gives the manager a great position of been able to make the squad his own pretty quick with only a couple of hangovers from the last manager (Bogle & Williams). Wellens has his own new team other than Anderson & Bostock.
I honestly believe the squad is better than it's current league position and for all the talk of reduced money to spend we will have a better budget than a lot of teams above us. Maybe i'm too willing to believe in our players but a lot have decent experience at this level. Remember the issue people have isn't that we aren't top it's that we are second bottom. This isn't a case of supporters demanding too much please understand this.
Do you also not understand that while Richie had to fill a team he has a say in the type of player we go after. We're looking at a season of struggle you accept that so why sign lightweight inexperienced players who aren't going to thrive in a relegation battle. It's not money our competition at the bottom of the table fill their squads with robust fighters we could have done the same but chose to run before we can walk.
Realistically we can expect better than relegation so i think a level of irritation and concern is very reasonable. Also if we are to offer a realistic solution i don't think it's too far fetched to suggest a new manager could at least get performances out of the players that would be considered par for their ability. Currently we're way under that. But you don't acknowledge that as a solution which is fine. Others will though so get over it.
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If you read this forum after this many games into sods reign it would be full of people making comments like there is tonight.
Not saying he’s going to turn us into that but I am saying this many games into a tenure is not the time to sack a manager.
Moore has a lot to answer for and if we’d appointed wellens after mccann I don’t think we’d be struggling down the bottom of league one.
He would’ve signed someone like clarke Harris when Marquis left and wouldn’t have got rid of players like Blair and May.
I'm not being funny dickos, some of the signings wellens has made are awful, most of them are from struggling teams in our division or lower and have been released, olowu couldn't get a contract at a non league team, Williams well he just struggles every game, Barlow Gardner are a waste of funds, cakur is nowhere near ready for men's football and vilca is ok at best, smith offers no more than any of the other midfielders, he has not signed a defensive midfielder or anyone in fact that's can challenge anyone with any strength
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The idea that Wellens was given a budget that doomed him to failure is nonsense IMHO- he has built a team that would struggle in League 2. That is the key question for the board though when weighing up whether to trust him with more money in January or to find a new manager.
Absolute nonsense that we’d struggle in league 2.
With our strongest 11 we would piss that league there’s a massive difference between the two leagues
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I hope you are right Dickos but remember last time we were in L2 we had Whiteman, Copps and Marquis to steer us through
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If you read this forum after this many games into sods reign it would be full of people making comments like there is tonight.
Not saying he’s going to turn us into that but I am saying this many games into a tenure is not the time to sack a manager.
Moore has a lot to answer for and if we’d appointed wellens after mccann I don’t think we’d be struggling down the bottom of league one.
He would’ve signed someone like clarke Harris when Marquis left and wouldn’t have got rid of players like Blair and May.
I'm not being funny dickos, some of the signings wellens has made are awful, most of them are from struggling teams in our division or lower and have been released, olowu couldn't get a contract at a non league team, Williams well he just struggles every game, Barlow Gardner are a waste of funds, cakur is nowhere near ready for men's football and vilca is ok at best, smith offers no more than any of the other midfielders, he has not signed a defensive midfielder or anyone in fact that's can challenge anyone with any strength
I agree but don’t you think if he’d had more in the budget he’d have signed better players than Barlow and gardener. They were signed because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
Vilca I think is decent, Williams and knoyle will improve, knoyle is obviously a good player but he’s short of Confidence.
Rowe, Galbraith, close, hiwulu, are very good signings for league one
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We do have to accept he's had a lot of key players out for a long time. So i can understand our lack of cutting edge up top. But the lack of organisation and the awful defending are nothing to do with injuries.
So yes some slack there for our predicament but even taking that into account we aren't getting the best out of the players.
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I hope you are right Dickos but remember last time we were in L2 we had Whiteman, Copps and Marquis to steer us through
League two was a better league then with Portsmouth, us, Plymouth etc
Look at some of the clubs in league one this season it’s ridiculous
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If you read this forum after this many games into sods reign it would be full of people making comments like there is tonight.
Not saying he’s going to turn us into that but I am saying this many games into a tenure is not the time to sack a manager.
Moore has a lot to answer for and if we’d appointed wellens after mccann I don’t think we’d be struggling down the bottom of league one.
He would’ve signed someone like clarke Harris when Marquis left and wouldn’t have got rid of players like Blair and May.
I'm not being funny dickos, some of the signings wellens has made are awful, most of them are from struggling teams in our division or lower and have been released, olowu couldn't get a contract at a non league team, Williams well he just struggles every game, Barlow Gardner are a waste of funds, cakur is nowhere near ready for men's football and vilca is ok at best, smith offers no more than any of the other midfielders, he has not signed a defensive midfielder or anyone in fact that's can challenge anyone with any strength
I agree but don’t you think if he’d had more in the budget he’d have signed better players than Barlow and gardener. They were signed because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
Vilca I think is decent, Williams and knoyle will improve, knoyle is obviously a good player but he’s short of Confidence.
Rowe, Galbraith, close, hiwulu, are very good signings for league one
I agree with you on the players most we signed are good or were before they came. So why are we where we are?
Injuries have played a part but it's not the only reason or even the main reason imo.
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Nigel Adkins. Fully aware he just got sacked at Charlton but he is in our price range I would think, experienced at this level, that was his squad today really who look a decent outfit so obviously has an eye for a player and most importantly he’s available
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Nigel Adkins. Fully aware he just got sacked at Charlton but he is in our price range I would think, experienced at this level, that was his squad today really who look a decent outfit so obviously has an eye for a player and most importantly he’s available
Best will in the world JR, but that's like suggesting the Captain of the Titanic for the new position at the head of the Torrey Canyon.
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Fifteen games into O'Driscoll's reign he'd picked up 23 points. We'd just won 3 league games on the bounce. There weren't many calling for his head.
We won 6 out of his first 15 games, in a season that we were told we were going for it.
And regardless of what you say, you can look back and see for yourself this forum was awash with people unhappy with sod.
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If you read this forum after this many games into sods reign it would be full of people making comments like there is tonight.
Not saying he’s going to turn us into that but I am saying this many games into a tenure is not the time to sack a manager.
Moore has a lot to answer for and if we’d appointed wellens after mccann I don’t think we’d be struggling down the bottom of league one.
He would’ve signed someone like clarke Harris when Marquis left and wouldn’t have got rid of players like Blair and May.
I'm not being funny dickos, some of the signings wellens has made are awful, most of them are from struggling teams in our division or lower and have been released, olowu couldn't get a contract at a non league team, Williams well he just struggles every game, Barlow Gardner are a waste of funds, cakur is nowhere near ready for men's football and vilca is ok at best, smith offers no more than any of the other midfielders, he has not signed a defensive midfielder or anyone in fact that's can challenge anyone with any strength
I agree but don’t you think if he’d had more in the budget he’d have signed better players than Barlow and gardener. They were signed because we couldn’t even fill the bench.
Vilca I think is decent, Williams and knoyle will improve, knoyle is obviously a good player but he’s short of Confidence.
Rowe, Galbraith, close, hiwulu, are very good signings for league one
I said that about Barlow and Gardner but I'm sure sm said they were targets of his or something similar
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Not sure because they were both on trial all summer, it was like we kept them here just in case we couldn’t get anyone better in
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Fifteen games into O'Driscoll's reign he'd picked up 23 points. We'd just won 3 league games on the bounce. There weren't many calling for his head.
We won 6 out of his first 15 games, in a season that we were told we were going for it.
And regardless of what you say, you can look back and see for yourself this forum was awash with people unhappy with sod.
Where can people see this? I can only see back to page 1,377 of this forum, with posts from 2010. O’Driscoll took over 4 years before that.
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Another pointless thread feeding the fanbase more regurgitated opinions without realistic solutions….
I’ll say this fkin slowly for the half-witted!
Richie- had - to- build- a-team- with-his-initial-budget-, the-team-was-decimated-by-previous-mismanagement, So-Richie-used-all-of-his-budget-to-get-enough-players-to-be-able-to-fulfill-fixtures!
I’m-sure-he-would-have-preferred-to-add-quality-players-to-an-existing-squad-to-strengthen-it, - but-that-wasn’t-the-case-as-you-all-well-know!
You were there, you saw what happened, yet you expect so much more than can be realistically achieved under the circumstances…..
I’m more Disapointed in the so called supporters who have chosen to forget how Richies tenure started, and assume that he started with a level playing field….
Donny has really shitty supporters!
What-a-stupid-f*cking-arrogant-halfwitted-post.
Donny has shitty supporters? I'll tell you about shitty supporters. Almost 60000 Spurs fans tonight booed every single misplaced pass by their players in the last 30 minutes of that game. THAT'S what you call shitty supporters.
When have you ever heard anything like that at the Keepmoat?
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Well, if the board go through their usual rigmarole in appointing a manager, then we'll be needing a caretaker first.
I wonder if Paul Green would fancy giving it a go?
Honestly couldn't care less if Paul Green fancies "giving it a go", the last thing we need is another bloody amateur manager.
Our next appointment needs to be a proven manager who can bring some professionalism back to the club.
And please for crying out loud, when Wellens does eventually get the sack, can we not have the farce of the month long application process. The board's Plan B cannot be invite CVs, as when Dickov got sacked. Identify your man early and get him in.
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….one way or the other, who do people want to replace him ? Remember we don’t usually poach managers from other clubs and Copps doesn’t want it
And to go back to my original opening post ….
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Get a manager who's done really well at turning around a nightmare situation. There's one at chesterfield who looks to be doing just that with a great record.
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We were rightly looking for a manager we could rely on over the medium to long term, after being messed around by managers these last few years. Also a manger who bought into our whole philosophy and had some degree of commitment to us as a club. Wellens ticked all these boxes. Not sure anyone looked too deeply beyond that in terms of his transfer dealings or managerial style and ability. Getting someone in who can keep us up in manner of Warnock or Big Sam is not going to meet our long term goals.
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Another pointless thread feeding the fanbase more regurgitated opinions without realistic solutions….
I’ll say this fkin slowly for the half-witted!
Richie- had - to- build- a-team- with-his-initial-budget-, the-team-was-decimated-by-previous-mismanagement, So-Richie-used-all-of-his-budget-to-get-enough-players-to-be-able-to-fulfill-fixtures!
I’m-sure-he-would-have-preferred-to-add-quality-players-to-an-existing-squad-to-strengthen-it, - but-that-wasn’t-the-case-as-you-all-well-know!
You were there, you saw what happened, yet you expect so much more than can be realistically achieved under the circumstances…..
I’m more Disapointed in the so called supporters who have chosen to forget how Richies tenure started, and assume that he started with a level playing field….
Donny has really shitty supporters!
What-a-stupid-f*cking-arrogant-halfwitted-post.
Donny has shitty supporters? I'll tell you about shitty supporters. Almost 60000 Spurs fans tonight booed every single misplaced pass by their players in the last 30 minutes of that game. THAT'S what you call shitty supporters.
When have you ever heard anything like that at the Keepmoat?
Firstly…you read my post and found only the reference to shitty supporters unpalatable?
This is exactly what a shitty supporter does….he reads a post and extracts the bit that he doesn’t agree with, then argues that bit……???
What about the bit I wrote for the slow-witted…was that all just a lie od did you already know that, hence my original point!
The supporters on this forum who continually point out the obvious shortfalls of the team already knowing the task faced by Richie are as Shitty as you are going to get !
I care little for Spurs fans behaviour, but I read the continuous bile aimed at the players, the manager and the board and wonder whether Doncaster needs a football team at all……
Here’s another tidbit for you that I referred to about 15 games ago…
This team is pretty much going to get relegated barring a miracle,
We are fire fighting from a perilous position, a great reset is required!
Yes we might lose some support, so what, it happens…..
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You always get some fans on all clubs forums who like to take the moral high ground and call other supporters out for not supporting the team or whatever.
People pay their money and they can say what they like about the manager and players, so long as they aren't abusive.
Nobody is right or wrong. Just all opinions.
Other people being 'shitty supporters' is just your opinion. Which i happen to find absolute virtue signalling b*llocks.
A fan who pays to get in to the keepmoat has a right to boo for 90 minutes if they so wish. Their support is financial, if not vocal. Doesn't make them shitty. Most won't be doing it for a laugh. They'll be doing it for a good reason. Such as booing a manager who is shit and has not yet proven otherwise.
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You always get some fans on all clubs forums who like to take the moral high ground and call other supporters out for not supporting the team or whatever.
People pay their money and they can say what they like about the manager and players, so long as they aren't abusive.
Nobody is right or wrong. Just all opinions.
Other people being 'shitty supporters' is just your opinion. Which i happen to find absolute virtue signalling b*llocks.
A fan who pays to get in to the keepmoat has a right to boo for 90 minutes if they so wish. Their support is financial, if not vocal. Doesn't make them shitty. Most won't be doing it for a laugh. They'll be doing it for a good reason. Such as booing a manager who is shit and has not yet proven otherwise.
That’s tantamount to owning an old crippled dog that not only is immobile but blind and can’t swallow, yet because you own it you can shout at it and kick it because it won’t eat or walk…..
When you already know the ailments the dog has , it’s pointless to keep stressing them unless you can open up a discussion for a solution…..if no viable solution exists then the ignorant will continue to kick the crippled dog …….
Donny fans are not so shitty as crippled dog kickers then ! ……lol
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You always get some fans on all clubs forums who like to take the moral high ground and call other supporters out for not supporting the team or whatever.
People pay their money and they can say what they like about the manager and players, so long as they aren't abusive.
Nobody is right or wrong. Just all opinions.
Other people being 'shitty supporters' is just your opinion. Which i happen to find absolute virtue signalling b*llocks.
A fan who pays to get in to the keepmoat has a right to boo for 90 minutes if they so wish. Their support is financial, if not vocal. Doesn't make them shitty. Most won't be doing it for a laugh. They'll be doing it for a good reason. Such as booing a manager who is shit and has not yet proven otherwise.
That’s tantamount to owning an old crippled dog that not only is immobile but blind and can’t swallow, yet because you own it you can shout at it and kick it because it won’t eat or walk…..
When you already know the ailments the dog has , it’s pointless to keep stressing them unless you can open up a discussion for a solution…..if no viable solution exists then the ignorant will continue to kick the crippled dog …….
Donny fans are not so shitty as crippled dog kickers then ! ……lol
In English please if you could.
You sound like Eric Cantona.
Any seagulls knocking about?
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Just thought of another example of a manager coming in for a struggling team and turning it around.
Burton a year or two ago looked out of it. Then Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink came back to manage and they couldn't stop winning. If they had given the manager then benefit of the doubt, they'd be in League 2 now when they didn't need to be.
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Burton let hasselbaink sign 12 players in January, that more than anything enabled them to stay up
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They also had a wage bill of £4.5m in 19/20 which I imagine was more than us.
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Burton let hasselbaink sign 12 players in January, that more than anything enabled them to stay up
Ah, fair enough. Didn't know that dickos. Makes sense then.
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Maybe and this is only a maybe if the present manager wasn’t an ex player the board and the majority of supporters wouldn’t be so tolerant with him. At the minute I am personally undecided
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On the flipside, I remember Wycombe avoiding relegation under Ainsworth on the last day at Torquay a few years ago, the year Torquay dropped into the NL.
Look where Wycombe are now, and where they have been (Championship) under Ainsworth.
So i'm not saying that sticking with a poorly performing manager is always bad. Some can come good once they get things into place. I guess that is what some fans are hoping for with Wellens.
I don't know. Just feels wrong to be supporting a manager who seems to have so many deficits already, even accounting for injuries etc. Our away record is the killer for me. Even if we could see out some draws and be a bit more robust away, that would give me a bit of optimism.
I'd appreciate it if Richie could engage a bit more with fans though rather than just apologizing for defeats all the time.
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The worst aspect is that we all know if the opposition scores first, we ain’t going to get anything from the game, even against poor sides. That points to something mentally wrong, not just tactical or physical.
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The worst aspect is that we all know if the opposition scores first, we ain’t going to get anything from the game, even against poor sides. That points to something mentally wrong, not just tactical or physical.
I agree. Which is why i was stunned when we beat MK after being pegged back. Mindset being they are level and so there is now only one winner.
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The worst aspect is that we all know if the opposition scores first, we ain’t going to get anything from the game, even against poor sides. That points to something mentally wrong, not just tactical or physical.
Although we did last week
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You always get some fans on all clubs forums who like to take the moral high ground and call other supporters out for not supporting the team or whatever.
People pay their money and they can say what they like about the manager and players, so long as they aren't abusive.
Nobody is right or wrong. Just all opinions.
Other people being 'shitty supporters' is just your opinion. Which i happen to find absolute virtue signalling b*llocks.
A fan who pays to get in to the keepmoat has a right to boo for 90 minutes if they so wish. Their support is financial, if not vocal. Doesn't make them shitty. Most won't be doing it for a laugh. They'll be doing it for a good reason. Such as booing a manager who is shit and has not yet proven otherwise.
That’s tantamount to owning an old crippled dog that not only is immobile but blind and can’t swallow, yet because you own it you can shout at it and kick it because it won’t eat or walk…..
When you already know the ailments the dog has , it’s pointless to keep stressing them unless you can open up a discussion for a solution…..if no viable solution exists then the ignorant will continue to kick the crippled dog …….
Donny fans are not so shitty as crippled dog kickers then ! ……lol
In English please if you could.
You sound like Eric Cantona.
Any seagulls knocking about?
When something is wrong and you know exactly what it is, and why it came to be wrong….why keep talking about it as if it’s something new!
Every single Rovers fan knew that we were going to struggle this year,
many said they’d be happy to get 20th place…….
Yet when this is being tested it appears that many fans have forgotten quite a few things that happened and are not happy with a struggle ……….
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I think most thought mid table from memory not relegation.
You keep pointing out that our aliments are known but Wellens had only 7 players on the books. A great position for a new manager to make a team his own and correct any ailments. He's not done that. Does that mean we just see the season out and try again next year with no consequence? He won't be able to make as many additions to the squad next summer because he's given decent contracts out.
We're not showing any fight as a club that's the issue we could buy into a scrapping for relegation team that battles but we signed a bunch of technical players as if we were going to be top of the league bossing every game. We're not at the bottom because it's predetermined and there's nothing the manager can do about it. Please understand this.
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There's a difference if you say 7 players some of very poor quality most of whom we are stuck with
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I think most thought mid table from memory not relegation.
You keep pointing out that our aliments are known but Wellens had only 7 players on the books. A great position for a new manager to make a team his own and correct any ailments. He's not done that. Does that mean we just see the season out and try again next year with no consequence? He won't be able to make as many additions to the squad next summer because he's given decent contracts out.
We're not showing any fight as a club that's the issue we could buy into a scrapping for relegation team that battles but we signed a bunch of technical players as if we were going to be top of the league bossing every game. We're not at the bottom because it's predetermined and there's nothing the manager can do about it. Please understand this.
It’s only a great position if the funds are sufficient to bring in real quality…..
Clearly ( and this is quite obvious) there wasn’t!
Covid and a lack of gate money must have impacted on monies available,
Actual players available during preseason would have determined how thin the budget would need to be spread to get the right amount,
hence we ended up with a few “ Blue stripers”
I’m sure Richie assumed the existing players (7) would be a lot better than they have proven to be, the likes of Anderson a perfect example, he should have been commanding the back line and leading by example , but he appears to be part of the defensive problem!
Richie must be absolutely dumbfounded with the sick, lame and lazy that he adopted and the players he brought in to compliment them now look just as lost!
When the rumblings coming out of the dressing room are for change then I’ll agree that Richie has done all that he can, but until that time ( regardless of results) he will have my total support, and I won’t ever call for a managers head especially when I understand the issues we have….
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I think most thought mid table from memory not relegation.
You keep pointing out that our aliments are known but Wellens had only 7 players on the books. A great position for a new manager to make a team his own and correct any ailments. He's not done that. Does that mean we just see the season out and try again next year with no consequence? He won't be able to make as many additions to the squad next summer because he's given decent contracts out.
We're not showing any fight as a club that's the issue we could buy into a scrapping for relegation team that battles but we signed a bunch of technical players as if we were going to be top of the league bossing every game. We're not at the bottom because it's predetermined and there's nothing the manager can do about it. Please understand this.
It’s only a great position if the funds are sufficient to bring in real quality…..
Clearly ( and this is quite obvious) there wasn’t!
Covid and a lack of gate money must have impacted on monies available,
Actual players available during preseason would have determined how thin the budget would need to be spread to get the right amount,
hence we ended up with a few “ Blue stripers”
I’m sure Richie assumed the existing players (7) would be a lot better than they have proven to be, the likes of Anderson a perfect example, he should have been commanding the back line and leading by example , but he appears to be part of the defensive problem!
Richie must be absolutely dumbfounded with the sick, lame and lazy that he adopted and the players he brought in to compliment them now look just as lost!
When the rumblings coming out of the dressing room are for change then I’ll agree that Richie has done all that he can, but until that time ( regardless of results) he will have my total support, and I won’t ever call for a managers head especially when I understand the issues we have….
Richie could have watched every game from the second half of last season to know what he was getting. For someone going to a new club it’d be negligent not to.
The budget is higher than Moore had that’s been said a few times by SM and others who know these things.
The budget is clearly good enough to build a side capable of staying up relatively comfortably. Just look at our squad and it’s experience/pedigree compared to our current competition at the bottom. You talk like relegation was a certainty and it’s crazy to expect better. Please accept that most people wouldn’t deem relegation a successful season.
Re calling for the sack I actually want him to have till the end of this month. I think he’ll get it too. But at a certain point if it’s not working you can’t keep giving funds in Jan or even next summer to be squandered. At some point the buck has to stop or else we’d still have Dickov signing players on 3 year deals for our national league north campaign. Much easier to be self sufficient in L1 than L2 it’s in the clubs interest not to go down with a whimper.
I know you’d be coming to watch even if that was the case before you give it all that. Good for you.
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I think most thought mid table from memory not relegation.
You keep pointing out that our aliments are known but Wellens had only 7 players on the books. A great position for a new manager to make a team his own and correct any ailments. He's not done that. Does that mean we just see the season out and try again next year with no consequence? He won't be able to make as many additions to the squad next summer because he's given decent contracts out.
We're not showing any fight as a club that's the issue we could buy into a scrapping for relegation team that battles but we signed a bunch of technical players as if we were going to be top of the league bossing every game. We're not at the bottom because it's predetermined and there's nothing the manager can do about it. Please understand this.
It’s only a great position if the funds are sufficient to bring in real quality…..
Clearly ( and this is quite obvious) there wasn’t!
Covid and a lack of gate money must have impacted on monies available,
Actual players available during preseason would have determined how thin the budget would need to be spread to get the right amount,
hence we ended up with a few “ Blue stripers”
I’m sure Richie assumed the existing players (7) would be a lot better than they have proven to be, the likes of Anderson a perfect example, he should have been commanding the back line and leading by example , but he appears to be part of the defensive problem!
Richie must be absolutely dumbfounded with the sick, lame and lazy that he adopted and the players he brought in to compliment them now look just as lost!
When the rumblings coming out of the dressing room are for change then I’ll agree that Richie has done all that he can, but until that time ( regardless of results) he will have my total support, and I won’t ever call for a managers head especially when I understand the issues we have….
Get in your hot tub & put your Gary Glitter compilation (on vinyl) on before you have a heart attack Squadron Leader.
Sorry, forgot a few………..& the good old………lol!
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They also had a wage bill of £4.5m in 19/20 which I imagine was more than us.
I bet that’s more than ours is now but we don’t know because are well run club and yet the figures are not published.
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Totally unfair to judge Wellens on one transfer window when we knew a rebuild was required that would take at least two windows.
Totally unfair to judge Wellens with the unforseen absences due to the injuries and covid at the start of the season.
Totally unfair to expect Wellens to wave a magic wand and somehow beat stronger teams when he has even fewer players to choose from given Close, John's, Seamans and Rowes more recent absences to add to Fejiri's and Taylors longer term injuries.
He wants us to play the right way, he sees the same weaknesses we do so he's in the best position to improve it.
Judge him when he has the better players available when he has to make the right selections and formations.
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I think most thought mid table from memory not relegation.
You keep pointing out that our aliments are known but Wellens had only 7 players on the books. A great position for a new manager to make a team his own and correct any ailments. He's not done that. Does that mean we just see the season out and try again next year with no consequence? He won't be able to make as many additions to the squad next summer because he's given decent contracts out.
We're not showing any fight as a club that's the issue we could buy into a scrapping for relegation team that battles but we signed a bunch of technical players as if we were going to be top of the league bossing every game. We're not at the bottom because it's predetermined and there's nothing the manager can do about it. Please understand this.
It’s only a great position if the funds are sufficient to bring in real quality…..
Clearly ( and this is quite obvious) there wasn’t!
Covid and a lack of gate money must have impacted on monies available,
Actual players available during preseason would have determined how thin the budget would need to be spread to get the right amount,
hence we ended up with a few “ Blue stripers”
I’m sure Richie assumed the existing players (7) would be a lot better than they have proven to be, the likes of Anderson a perfect example, he should have been commanding the back line and leading by example , but he appears to be part of the defensive problem!
Richie must be absolutely dumbfounded with the sick, lame and lazy that he adopted and the players he brought in to compliment them now look just as lost!
When the rumblings coming out of the dressing room are for change then I’ll agree that Richie has done all that he can, but until that time ( regardless of results) he will have my total support, and I won’t ever call for a managers head especially when I understand the issues we have….
Get in your hot tub & put your Gary Glitter compilation (on vinyl) on before you have a heart attack Squadron Leader.
Sorry, forgot a few………..& the good old………lol!
Bit early for the red old lad!
I’m assuming your not actually knocking the post, just rattling ya little tin sabre,
I see you have jumped ship regarding the positivities?
When the going gets tough ….the ………
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In suggesting that it is “Totally unfair” to make judgments on Wellens record so far is highly debatable. The length of time that you may reasonably allow any kind of manager to prove themselves is based on the activity or business. Losing customers or in the case of a professional sporting team, spectators, are major considerations. Another factor is the relative quality of the performance, the evidence of improvement. I am not saying that the mitigating factors should not be weighed, but the situation should not make judgment at this stage “totally unfair”.
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We all knew the plan this season was to build a squad over two windows to consolidate this season and then next season we would have a more competitive budget to push on.
We all knew this, we were all happy with this but now it’s being played out everyone is crying about it
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We all knew the plan this season was to build a squad over two windows to consolidate this season and then next season we would have a more competitive budget to push on.
We all knew this, we were all happy with this but now it’s being played out everyone is crying about it
Do you know what consolidate means?
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Consolidation and Relegation are two different things entirely.
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We all knew the plan this season was to build a squad over two windows to consolidate this season and then next season we would have a more competitive budget to push on.
We all knew this, we were all happy with this but now it’s being played out everyone is crying about it
Do you know what consolidate means?
I think he is fully aware of what consolidate means. You can't pick your league position during the season but the end game is to maintain your league status and hope you are better at the end of the season than when you started it.
Finishing mid table could mean at some point you've flirted with the play offs or at some point flirted with relegation.
Last season we ended up mid table and this season we could easily achieve the same but it will be the polar opposite way of consolidating our league one status.
We crave the stability of a manager who's prepared to build in the longer term but those expecting instant success from Wellens have very selective memories about our historical performance in the league pyramid and hopefully, will come to realise that this is a blip compared to the real hardship we've suffered in the past. Judging Wellens on just 16 games is unfair.
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I think most thought mid table from memory not relegation.
You keep pointing out that our aliments are known but Wellens had only 7 players on the books. A great position for a new manager to make a team his own and correct any ailments. He's not done that. Does that mean we just see the season out and try again next year with no consequence? He won't be able to make as many additions to the squad next summer because he's given decent contracts out.
We're not showing any fight as a club that's the issue we could buy into a scrapping for relegation team that battles but we signed a bunch of technical players as if we were going to be top of the league bossing every game. We're not at the bottom because it's predetermined and there's nothing the manager can do about it. Please understand this.
It’s only a great position if the funds are sufficient to bring in real quality…..
Clearly ( and this is quite obvious) there wasn’t!
Covid and a lack of gate money must have impacted on monies available,
Actual players available during preseason would have determined how thin the budget would need to be spread to get the right amount,
hence we ended up with a few “ Blue stripers”
I’m sure Richie assumed the existing players (7) would be a lot better than they have proven to be, the likes of Anderson a perfect example, he should have been commanding the back line and leading by example , but he appears to be part of the defensive problem!
Richie must be absolutely dumbfounded with the sick, lame and lazy that he adopted and the players he brought in to compliment them now look just as lost!
When the rumblings coming out of the dressing room are for change then I’ll agree that Richie has done all that he can, but until that time ( regardless of results) he will have my total support, and I won’t ever call for a managers head especially when I understand the issues we have….
Get in your hot tub & put your Gary Glitter compilation (on vinyl) on before you have a heart attack Squadron Leader.
Sorry, forgot a few………..& the good old………lol!
Bit early for the red old lad!
I’m assuming your not actually knocking the post, just rattling ya little tin sabre,
I see you have jumped ship regarding the positivities?
When the going gets tough ….the ………
‘Onward, onward rode the 600….’
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….one way or the other, who do people want to replace him ? Remember we don’t usually poach managers from other clubs and Copps doesn’t want it
I think you lost the plot . We haven’t got a manager that’s the f***ing point !!