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This is getting a bit pointless now..Despite what we may perceive as generally better performances, or not, the only stats that count are goals for and against and therefore the results and the table..Remember the first 24 games of season 2008/9? Rock bottom yet having played our best football for decades..We can argue about stats and tweak which set of games we include to skew any argument but that ultimately makes bugger all difference..We need to pick up points, regardless of performances..
Why would you rip up a 5 year plan when you're only 2 years into it?
QuoteWhy would you rip up a 5 year plan when you're only 2 years into it?Read that within the context that it was written, SM. Do not misconstrue what the theme of the piece said. I could wax lyrical for ages about what I think is right, wrong or indifferent, but it's not what I think, it's what the Board think and do. The argument I am putting forward is that to get rid of the manager is to basically say......right, that didn't work, we go again. The manager being removed from office basically stirs up a whole hornets nest of questions, which are, quite frankly, unanswerable. There is no way the Board would say to a new manager - by the way, we're already halfway through our 5 year plan, so you have to get us in the Championship in half the time we were prepared to give Fergie jnr. Just not feasible. Therefore, the previous 5 year plan would become null and void and we would start again with something else!
Quote from: Alan Southstand on December 12, 2017, 01:12:11 pmQuoteWhy would you rip up a 5 year plan when you're only 2 years into it?Read that within the context that it was written, SM. Do not misconstrue what the theme of the piece said. I could wax lyrical for ages about what I think is right, wrong or indifferent, but it's not what I think, it's what the Board think and do. The argument I am putting forward is that to get rid of the manager is to basically say......right, that didn't work, we go again. The manager being removed from office basically stirs up a whole hornets nest of questions, which are, quite frankly, unanswerable. There is no way the Board would say to a new manager - by the way, we're already halfway through our 5 year plan, so you have to get us in the Championship in half the time we were prepared to give Fergie jnr. Just not feasible. Therefore, the previous 5 year plan would become null and void and we would start again with something else!I would disagree. Of course the board are quite within their rights to spell out, as part of initial interviews, that the club is 2 years into a 5 year plan to be a settled championship side when interviewing new managers. The plan is a plan for Club Doncaster and shouldn't rely on any individual for that to succeed, its either a sound and solid objective for the club to aim for or its not. Of course business plans are always subject to continuous review and no doubt frequent updates will be given at the clubs board meetings with the strategy filtered down throughout the club at regular exec or management meetings. But to scrap the plan because of a change of manager means the strategy isn't flexible enough and is far too heavily biased in one direction.At work we've just appointed a new Sales Director after something like 17 years continuous service, but have we changed any of our objectives or targets? No, not a single one. And that's exactly how it should be.
I would expect the board to revise its plans at least every year, regardless of the original longevity.. Football is full of too many variables - there is no way that every clubs’ plans will be successfully achieved..
We should be more positive about what we can achieve as a team rather than constantly worrying about what we may not achieve.
The fundamental point that surely all folk must agree on is that given resources available, it is not much cop is it? Kinda “doing ok” or “look alright”. Fact is that over two years on and god knows how much cash shovelled into club by our generous owners, we are three points off the relegation zone. Injuries, “bad luck”, “played well and should have had something”, “ref was biased”, all of this must make us the unluckiest club in the world these last two years. It is not good enough and shows no sign of consistently getting better, to at least reflect the resources we have available. How we improve is another question, but surely nobody credible can doubt that these have been two lost years and we are back where we started pretty much, three points off the relegation places.
Interesting bit of information BRR. Good bye the play-offs it seems. Which, give the 12 point gap and one game advantage Charlton have (plus 12 teams to overcome), seems to be a realistic thing to say at this point.
Do you think it was completely written off by management, players, fans?If it wasn't an objective what is the point of the 5 year plan to get into the championship? 4 years of consolidation and when we're fully consolidated actually go for it?
Yes but when we got relegated do you not think this plan may have been revised? As has been stated previously it would be ludicrous not to reassess. In august 2016 we would all have been happy to be 21st in the league above in 15 months time
Quote from: anne honemous on December 12, 2017, 06:40:31 pmWe should be more positive about what we can achieve as a team rather than constantly worrying about what we may not achieve.See I don't get this? Do you think Fergie sends the team out saying 'stop worrying about what we may not achieve'?. Of course he doesn't, he tries to instill every bit of positivity he can - and the end result is exactly where we find ourselves and exactly the performances we put in.
Quote from: Copps is Magic on December 12, 2017, 06:58:15 pmQuote from: anne honemous on December 12, 2017, 06:40:31 pmWe should be more positive about what we can achieve as a team rather than constantly worrying about what we may not achieve.See I don't get this? Do you think Fergie sends the team out saying 'stop worrying about what we may not achieve'?. Of course he doesn't, he tries to instill every bit of positivity he can - and the end result is exactly where we find ourselves and exactly the performances we put in.I think as a fanbase, certainly this forum, we could be a lot more positive.There's some folk who still bang on about the screw up in the last 4/5 games of last season and how we should have won the league (which is correct), but they then choose to ignore the fact we achieved our target with five games to spare.So they're seeking a negative when there's plenty to be positive about.Whether that rubs off onto the players, I don't know, but collectively they seem to have a big problem of going weak in the backside when it's getting towards the end of the game and they are having to defend for something.But when all is said and done, our initial aim is to stay up and right now we're not in the relegation zone, so we're on target for what we want to achieve this season.Of course, that's not hiding away from the fact that there's lots of things we could be better at and need to improve, if we want to challenge teams such as Oxford who have greater expectations than ourselves right now.