Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: roverstillidie91 on September 23, 2020, 03:16:54 pm
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https://www.covid19.nhs.uk/
Comes live as of tomorrow so hopefully as many people as possible down load and share if possible then we can get out of this plus get fans back at matches :bbscarf:
& not forgetting the Covid 19 study through Kings College as well https://covid.joinzoe.com/
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I think I am right in saying that good number of vsc posters have said in the past that they won’t register with this type of thing because they don’t trust the government with their data.
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I think I am right in saying that good number of vsc posters have said in the past that they won’t register with this type of thing because they don’t trust the government with their data.
If people have that attitude what is the point in it?
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I think I am right in saying that good number of vsc posters have said in the past that they won’t register with this type of thing because they don’t trust the government with their data.
Not quite correct as far as I can recall. It would be fairer to say that people may have said there is a concern in society in general about giving up personal data without confidence that it would be safe - rather than individual posters’ views. Of course there may be some posters who are individually concerned, but I think it’s a wider issue in society than one small messageboard community..
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I think I am right in saying that good number of vsc posters have said in the past that they won’t register with this type of thing because they don’t trust the government with their data.
Not quite correct as far as I can recall. It would be fairer to say that people may have said there is a concern in society in general about giving up personal data without confidence that it would be safe - rather than individual posters’ views. Of course there may be some posters who are individually concerned, but I think it’s a wider issue in society than one small messageboard community..
There were definitely some posters who said they would not trust this government with their data.
It is fair to say though that it is a wider issue in society than in one small message board community because there are far more people in the wider society.
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I think I am right in saying that good number of vsc posters have said in the past that they won’t register with this type of thing because they don’t trust the government with their data.
Not quite correct as far as I can recall. It would be fairer to say that people may have said there is a concern in society in general about giving up personal data without confidence that it would be safe - rather than individual posters’ views. Of course there may be some posters who are individually concerned, but I think it’s a wider issue in society than one small messageboard community..
There were definitely some posters who said they would not trust this government with their data.
It is fair to say though that it is a wider issue in society than in one small message board community because there are far more people in the wider society.
It is also fair to say that the opinions of some posters on here will be replicated by many in the wider community. The majority of the population do not trust the PM.
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I think I am right in saying that good number of vsc posters have said in the past that they won’t register with this type of thing because they don’t trust the government with their data.
Not quite correct as far as I can recall. It would be fairer to say that people may have said there is a concern in society in general about giving up personal data without confidence that it would be safe - rather than individual posters’ views. Of course there may be some posters who are individually concerned, but I think it’s a wider issue in society than one small messageboard community..
There were definitely some posters who said they would not trust this government with their data.
It is fair to say though that it is a wider issue in society than in one small message board community because there are far more people in the wider society.
It is also fair to say that the opinions of some posters on here will be replicated by many in the wider community. The majority of the population do not trust the PM.
In response to the first sentence you wrote there E4D, isn’t that what I said.
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I think I am right in saying that good number of vsc posters have said in the past that they won’t register with this type of thing because they don’t trust the government with their data.
Not quite correct as far as I can recall. It would be fairer to say that people may have said there is a concern in society in general about giving up personal data without confidence that it would be safe - rather than individual posters’ views. Of course there may be some posters who are individually concerned, but I think it’s a wider issue in society than one small messageboard community..
There were definitely some posters who said they would not trust this government with their data.
It is fair to say though that it is a wider issue in society than in one small message board community because there are far more people in the wider society.
It is also fair to say that the opinions of some posters on here will be replicated by many in the wider community. The majority of the population do not trust the PM.
In response to the first sentence you wrote there E4D, isn’t that what I said.
Apologies Hound I was on a rant.
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I think I am right in saying that good number of vsc posters have said in the past that they won’t register with this type of thing because they don’t trust the government with their data.
Not quite correct as far as I can recall. It would be fairer to say that people may have said there is a concern in society in general about giving up personal data without confidence that it would be safe - rather than individual posters’ views. Of course there may be some posters who are individually concerned, but I think it’s a wider issue in society than one small messageboard community..
There were definitely some posters who said they would not trust this government with their data.
It is fair to say though that it is a wider issue in society than in one small message board community because there are far more people in the wider society.
It is also fair to say that the opinions of some posters on here will be replicated by many in the wider community. The majority of the population do not trust the PM.
In response to the first sentence you wrote there E4D, isn’t that what I said.
Apologies Hound I was on a rant.
Understandable mate, it happens a lot on here.
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I think I am right in saying that good number of vsc posters have said in the past that they won’t register with this type of thing because they don’t trust the government with their data.
Not quite correct as far as I can recall. It would be fairer to say that people may have said there is a concern in society in general about giving up personal data without confidence that it would be safe - rather than individual posters’ views. Of course there may be some posters who are individually concerned, but I think it’s a wider issue in society than one small messageboard community..
There were definitely some posters who said they would not trust this government with their data.
It is fair to say though that it is a wider issue in society than in one small message board community because there are far more people in the wider society.
It is also fair to say that the opinions of some posters on here will be replicated by many in the wider community. The majority of the population do not trust the PM.
And herein lies the problem. Having told so many lies himself and, having supported an open rule breaker and inveterate liar, and then advocating breaking international rules - why should anyone in this country trust him? As he seems to like proverbs all of a sudden, maybe the Boy That Cried Wolf Once Too Often is appropriate in his case.
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Most of the people couldn’t care who is in power that I have seen that won’t register there more bothered if the police get there details
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Downloaded the new app this morning. My only grumble with it is being Bluetooth based (kills my phone battery typically) but super easy to get, install and setup.
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Downloaded the new app this morning. My only grumble with it is being Bluetooth based (kills my phone battery typically) but super easy to get, install and setup.
Think Bluetooth is the best way for them to do it though. Should communicate with others as you pass them.
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Downloaded the new app this morning. My only grumble with it is being Bluetooth based (kills my phone battery typically) but super easy to get, install and setup.
Think Bluetooth is the best way for them to do it though. Should communicate with others as you pass them.
Absolutely, no alternative I imagine, worth having though.
As for data security I've got a Chinese phone so I doubt this app is the least of my worries.
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Done.
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Done.
Will the club be using the QR Code in and around all locations, eg stadium, shops, training ground etc. ?
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Done.
Will the club be using the QR Code in and around all locations, eg stadium, shops, training ground etc. ?
I can't see why not. I'll check.
Under the proposals for re-opening of stadiums all clubs had/have to record details of those attending. This is probably a better substitute for that.
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Is a QR code safe and confidential?
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I've downloaded the app.
Not the most auspicious start for new tech.
Very first thing it asks you to do is to enter the first letter(s) and numbers of your postcode. Like DN12. I do this and it tells me I've entered an incorrect postcode.
Except I haven't. I'm looking at it and it's the right one. So I hit "Enter" again and it tells me it's an incorrect postcode.
After 5 goes I realise I've inadvertently put a space after the number. I delete the space and all is good.
Minor issue but it doesn't bode well for the quality of the app design. If it's not going to accept a space character, why allow you to enter a space character?
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I’ve downloaded it, all well and good on my iphone8, but will not download to my wifes and Sons iphone6, not very good really, surely the developers could have made it backward compatible
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Done.
Will the club be using the QR Code in and around all locations, eg stadium, shops, training ground etc. ?
I can't see why not. I'll check.
Under the proposals for re-opening of stadiums all clubs had/have to record details of those attending. This is probably a better substitute for that.
In my opinion it would make sense, and another point is would the stadium be covered as a whole or is there some onus on the various organisations that rent office space to generate their own QR code?
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Is a QR code safe and confidential?
The app only asks for the first part of your postcode, no other information, I should imagine once you have scanned the QR code and an issue arises within an establishment a push notification is sent to your phone
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I've downloaded the app.
Not the most auspicious start for new tech.
Very first thing it asks you to do is to enter the first letter(s) and numbers of your postcode. Like DN12. I do this and it tells me I've entered an incorrect postcode.
Except I haven't. I'm looking at it and it's the right one. So I hit "Enter" again and it tells me it's an incorrect postcode.
After 5 goes I realise I've inadvertently put a space after the number. I delete the space and all is good.
Minor issue but it doesn't bode well for the quality of the app design. If it's not going to accept a space character, why allow you to enter a space character?
BST, you can’t seriously blame the APP for your input error.
Anyone should know that you don’t leave a space between the DN and the 12.
If I went to post say, a Hermes parcel, and did the same thing then their system wouldn’t accept the postcode.
Is it any different to missing a letter or a dot out of an email address or putting a space between part of the address.
Come on, you can’t always be right.
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I’ve downloaded it, all well and good on my iphone8, but will not download to my wifes and Sons iphone6, not very good really, surely the developers could have made it backward compatible
It's bluetooth capability between Google-Apple only the latest IOS can handle apparently. Same with Android in that you need at least Android 6, which using Samsung as an example is anything over Galaxy 5 or older, can use it. It's not much really the app developers could do and Google/Apple didn't know this was gonna happen.
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I've downloaded the app.
Not the most auspicious start for new tech.
Very first thing it asks you to do is to enter the first letter(s) and numbers of your postcode. Like DN12. I do this and it tells me I've entered an incorrect postcode.
Except I haven't. I'm looking at it and it's the right one. So I hit "Enter" again and it tells me it's an incorrect postcode.
After 5 goes I realise I've inadvertently put a space after the number. I delete the space and all is good.
Minor issue but it doesn't bode well for the quality of the app design. If it's not going to accept a space character, why allow you to enter a space character?
BST, you can’t seriously blame the APP for your input error.
Anyone should know that you don’t leave a space between the DN and the 12.
If I went to post say, a Hermes parcel, and did the same thing then their system wouldn’t accept the postcode.
Is it any different to missing a letter or a dot out of an email address or putting a space between part of the address.
Come on, you can’t always be right.
Think he's saying he accidentally put in "DN12 " and it wanted "DN12". The space afterwards cocked it up. It's a teething issue which they'll probably address in a future update.
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I’ve downloaded it, all well and good on my iphone8, but will not download to my wifes and Sons iphone6, not very good really, surely the developers could have made it backward compatible
It's bluetooth capability between Google-Apple only the latest IOS can handle apparently. Same with Android in that you need at least Android 6, which using Samsung as an example is anything over Galaxy 5 or older, can use it. It's not much really the app developers could do and Google/Apple didn't know this was gonna happen.
They discussed this on the news this morning DO.
Apparently it is an issue with other T&T systems throughout the world.
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Is a QR code safe and confidential?
The app only asks for the first part of your postcode, no other information, I should imagine once you have scanned the QR code and an issue arises within an establishment a push notification is sent to your phone
Cheers Filo.
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Downloaded it. Seems like it has a decent amount of functionality, just hope I don't have to use it much.
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I've downloaded the app.
Not the most auspicious start for new tech.
Very first thing it asks you to do is to enter the first letter(s) and numbers of your postcode. Like DN12. I do this and it tells me I've entered an incorrect postcode.
Except I haven't. I'm looking at it and it's the right one. So I hit "Enter" again and it tells me it's an incorrect postcode.
After 5 goes I realise I've inadvertently put a space after the number. I delete the space and all is good.
Minor issue but it doesn't bode well for the quality of the app design. If it's not going to accept a space character, why allow you to enter a space character?
BST, you can’t seriously blame the APP for your input error.
Anyone should know that you don’t leave a space between the DN and the 12.
If I went to post say, a Hermes parcel, and did the same thing then their system wouldn’t accept the postcode.
Is it any different to missing a letter or a dot out of an email address or putting a space between part of the address.
Come on, you can’t always be right.
Hound.
I didn't. As I clearly said, I put a space AFTER the number.
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I’ve downloaded it, all well and good on my iphone8, but will not download to my wifes and Sons iphone6, not very good really, surely the developers could have made it backward compatible
It's bluetooth capability between Google-Apple only the latest IOS can handle apparently. Same with Android in that you need at least Android 6, which using Samsung as an example is anything over Galaxy 5 or older, can use it. It's not much really the app developers could do and Google/Apple didn't know this was gonna happen.
They discussed this on the news this morning DO.
Apparently it is an issue with other T&T systems throughout the world.
I saw a clip of the news where they were having a go at Hancock for it not working on older phones, which is crazy. It's like having a go at Shapps for hoverboards not being rolled out.
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It is a serious point though, an app as important as this should work on older phone types too.
As for me, my concern with this isn’t about privacy it’s more about how accurately it works and false positives, ie if you walk past someone very briefly ie a few seconds - who has the app live and who later tests positive, will I get asked to self isolate.?
How much is “close contact”.?
I’m sure when they launched the test and trace call scheme the advice was to send in contact details of people who you had been within 2 metres of for 15 mins or so.?
That works ideally for public transport and the workplace but omits people whose details you don’t know - which the app can cover. However, does the app have the same contact distance/time limits or more stringent ones.?
I would like to see more details on this.
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It is a serious point though, an app as important as this should work on older phone types too.
As for me, my concern with this isn’t about privacy it’s more about how accurately it works and false positives, ie if you walk past someone very briefly ie a few seconds - who has the app live and who later tests positive, will I get asked to self isolate.?
How much is “close contact”.?
I’m sure when they launched the test and trace call scheme the advice was to send in contact details of people who you had been within 2 metres of for 15 mins or so.?
That works ideally for public transport and the workplace but omits people whose details you don’t know - which the app can cover. However, does the app have the same contact distance/time limits or more stringent ones.?
I would like to see more details on this.
Sadly, as technology progresses, there will be things that simply cannot work on older devices and operating systems. It has always been thus. The issue has been exacerbated by Apple particularly as they have consistently imposed limits on the implementation of 'standards' on their devices and operating systems - one of the major obstacles in getting seamless communications between Apple and Android mobile devices.
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I've downloaded the app.
Not the most auspicious start for new tech.
Very first thing it asks you to do is to enter the first letter(s) and numbers of your postcode. Like DN12. I do this and it tells me I've entered an incorrect postcode.
Except I haven't. I'm looking at it and it's the right one. So I hit "Enter" again and it tells me it's an incorrect postcode.
After 5 goes I realise I've inadvertently put a space after the number. I delete the space and all is good.
Minor issue but it doesn't bode well for the quality of the app design. If it's not going to accept a space character, why allow you to enter a space character?
BST, you can’t seriously blame the APP for your input error.
Anyone should know that you don’t leave a space between the DN and the 12.
If I went to post say, a Hermes parcel, and did the same thing then their system wouldn’t accept the postcode.
Is it any different to missing a letter or a dot out of an email address or putting a space between part of the address.
Come on, you can’t always be right.
Hound.
I didn't. As I clearly said, I put a space AFTER the number.
Yep, I see that now. Apologies for misquoting you.
However it was still your error and not a fault of the system.
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I see his point though, hound. A lot of people who'll really need this app won't be comfortable with technology, so they could come across a problem like that, not realise what's gone on, and just give up with it when the solution is simple. Hopefully it's something they patch later. It should be a simple fix. It seems like a fairly basic thing for a scheme that we've spent £12bn on so far, according to Sunak today.
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I've downloaded the app.
Not the most auspicious start for new tech.
Very first thing it asks you to do is to enter the first letter(s) and numbers of your postcode. Like DN12. I do this and it tells me I've entered an incorrect postcode.
Except I haven't. I'm looking at it and it's the right one. So I hit "Enter" again and it tells me it's an incorrect postcode.
After 5 goes I realise I've inadvertently put a space after the number. I delete the space and all is good.
Minor issue but it doesn't bode well for the quality of the app design. If it's not going to accept a space character, why allow you to enter a space character?
BST, you can’t seriously blame the APP for your input error.
Anyone should know that you don’t leave a space between the DN and the 12.
If I went to post say, a Hermes parcel, and did the same thing then their system wouldn’t accept the postcode.
Is it any different to missing a letter or a dot out of an email address or putting a space between part of the address.
Come on, you can’t always be right.
Hound.
I didn't. As I clearly said, I put a space AFTER the number.
Yep, I see that now. Apologies for misquoting you.
However it was still your error and not a fault of the system.
No problem.
Yes, of course it was my error, but it is a dead easy one to design against. Either read the text regardless of the space or don't allow spaces to be used. Or flash up a message saying "please use only letters and spaces". It would have taken thirty seconds and with something like this, it is very important that the design has been thought through carefully. I really don't like bad design. It smacks of thoughtlessness or rushing.
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What is crazy?
that it doesn't work on older phones or having a go at Wa*cock?
Asked for his thoughts on the fact that older people or low income families might not have a modern or even any kind of phone he twisted the question totally saying he shouldn't be held responsible for people not having phones.
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I used to have a smart phone. It was bigger than I wanted although smaller than a lot. It was forever running low on charge and most of the apps and functions I never used.
I now have a Doro clam type that I can use to ring,text and take a photo.
That's all that I want it for and I pay £7:50 a month and never run out of minutes. The downside of not being able to scan barcodes etc. doesn't cause me any problems.
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You should see the phone my wife uses idler. It is so old it runs on gas. She just refuses to swap it and turns it off as soon as she has checked messages or made a call.
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That sounds like my mother-in-law. She will phone or text and then a lot of the time immediately turns if off meaning she is immediately not available for a reply.
It might be an age thing she's 86 and has a Doro like me and the wife.
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It would be interesting to know how many downloads of the app there was today
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thirty million forty five with sixty hundreds and four said priti patel
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Dont forget to tell Marr - thats capacity - wave hands skywards - and thats ramping up to 500 000 soon =- well as soon as we can
Yesterday you did 82151 Tests - hardly world beating - ah yes but dont forget that capacity rising and rising
How many people were tested and how many swabs did you stick in each of them - SO (always a prelude to a non answer) - as the PM says Moonshot will uprate capacity to a million a day
Marr - answer you were not going to give is 51854 people tested as quite a few of them were double swabbed as there were just over 80000 tests done (thats what he would have said had he been an inquisitive diligent interviewer
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Downloaded it today doesn't seem too bad and it doesn't ask for any personal details or anything.
On the upside the more people that download it the more the population especially vulnerable, elderly and with underlying health conditions will be protected as if they get tested they will be self isolating... well you would like to hope they are and reduce the spread.
Plus it might get the trials back at Football if the rates are brought down again.
Inevitably the more people that download it and give feedback on it then the app can be improved and there was an update on it only yesterday as it has been highlighted there will be regular updates to improve it.
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Do you need to leave the app active on your phone at all times? Or does it work in the background even if you close the app?
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I think it just works in the background?
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You only need Bluetooth active.
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As I was saying, it feels like there's been some poor design in this app.
It appears that if you register symptoms on the app, then have a test which comes back negative, you cannot enter that test result. And the app continues to tell you to self-isolate.
Given that 96% of people with symptoms who have tests get a negative test result, this basically affects pretty much everyone.
How could that not have been picked up in the app development?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54307526
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I blame Boris. He's a shit computer programmer.
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As I was saying, it feels like there's been some poor design in this app.
It appears that if you register symptoms on the app, then have a test which comes back negative, you cannot enter that test result. And the app continues to tell you to self-isolate.
Given that 96% of people with symptoms who have tests get a negative test result, this basically affects pretty much everyone.
How could that not have been picked up in the app development?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54307526
All apps make lots of updates fixing bugs within the first couple of weeks of live release. You won't pick up everything in alpha and beta.
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Now this I can't defend.
https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1309756246321438721?s=19
How can an "NHS" app not validate an NHS test?
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Now this I can't defend.
https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1309756246321438721?s=19
How can an "NHS" app not validate an NHS test?
And on that note I’ve now uninstalled the app, totall useless if it only recognises serco tests
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DO.
I'd hardly call it a "bug" if 96% of people tested can't enter the fact that their test result was negative.
But yes, that fact that people who have had tests through the NHS can't enter the data on what is called an NHS app (but actually of course, is a Servo/Deloitte app) is simply breathtaking.
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Can we pleae stop calling it the NHS app or the NHS track and trace, it's wrong just wrong
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With a compliant media the seed is already sewn and nobody in the media can (even if they try) dislodge the messages / suggestions that are put there by the Government
In the NHS example above you are absolutely right - it ISN'T NHS Track and Trace but it is there and spouted at every opportunity
Wonder if when Johnson gets round to flooging off the NHS (which of course he said he wouldnt) will Track and Trace be hailed as an example of why the NHS has to go as "it" repeatedly failed during the pandemic
Almost certainly yes
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The 'advert' shown on telly last night encouraging people to download it actually has 'NHS Track and Trace' emblazoned on the screen throughout.
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Johnson aint going to let us forget its NHS Track and Trace despite what others are saying
He will get it in at every opportunity and like (I feel childishly) his other sh*tty statements " A stitch in Time" is the latest fit them into every session at which he speaks - and must insist that all the minions do the same.
Hancock and others just cant wait to get in "Super simple" Rules and we've got Hands Face Space doing the rounds as well as Build Build Build and all the other stuff they cant wait to trot out. Its like a sword of damocles - you know its coming - its just when they choose to get it in
Still reckon the NHS one is there simply to point to its failings even though D Harding has presided over the s**t storm and even though you cant enter NHS supplied results into the (supposed) NHS Track and Trace App which is "Quite Sh*te Right ?"
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"Quite Sh*te Right ?" now you're getting into the spirit, Wolfie. Yours is one they should adopt to sum up their handling of the crisis.
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I got a text today to download track and trace from the NHS and all it is called NHS covid 19 app on the app store and the NHS is on all the QR codes in shop windows to scan , what a scam and a load of shit if you cannot put your results on their unless it was done private
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Surely they'll be adding the ability to do so soon? Bit of a shambles if not.
Didn't Germany offer us the use of the one they'd designed for nothing months ago?
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Now this I can't defend.
https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1309756246321438721?s=19
How can an "NHS" app not validate an NHS test?
And on that note I’ve now uninstalled the app, totall useless if it only recognises serco tests
Hows that social conscience of yours shaping up?
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Now this I can't defend.
https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1309756246321438721?s=19
How can an "NHS" app not validate an NHS test?
And on that note I’ve now uninstalled the app, totall useless if it only recognises serco tests
Hows that social conscience of yours shaping up?
Fine, thanks for asking
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Now this I can't defend.
https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1309756246321438721?s=19
How can an "NHS" app not validate an NHS test?
And on that note I’ve now uninstalled the app, totall useless if it only recognises serco tests
Hows that social conscience of yours shaping up?
Fine, thanks for asking
Such a cop out. Tell me, do you wake up every morning determined to find something to be indignant about?
The app is a part of the T&T system, its not just there to record tests and I would assume everybody with a desire to protect those nearest and dearest would install it. I certainly wouldn't expect responsible people to be determined to find a half baked reason to remove it.
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SM
I agree with you that we should be using this app. But I think you need to accept that some people are sick to the back teeth of being lied to and misled by this Govt. Labelling a Deloitte/Serco project an "NHS App" is insulting to people's intelligence, but sadly all too typical of the way this crisis has been managed.
I myself said loudly at the start of the crisis that we needed to get behind the Govt and we needed to be guided by them if we were going to minimise the scale of the crisis. On the very day I said that, we got the first lie from the Govt when Hancock said on QT that the Govt had been liaising with supermarkets over getting supplies to the vulnerable. They hadn't. That was the first of a torrent of lies and half-truths. On the very topic of the App, Hancock was pushing it vigorously in the Spring, then when the first trials were poor, played down the need to have an App, now pushes it as vital to the control of the virus. That is typical of the news agenda management that has been prioritised over a consistent and firm message. On top of all that, the Govt has given out hundreds of millions of pounds in uncontested contracts to companies with little track record in the tasks set for them, but in several cases, a long history of funding the Tory party.
You can't have a Govt act like that and then criticise people for not trusting them. And I shouldn't need to say this but I truly wish that this wasn't the case. I wish we'd had responsible, strong and correct leadership from the start and if that had buttressed Johnson's popularity, fine. But we haven't.
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Riddled with lies for years and here is the only truth Gove has told in years ... and to his credit he was proved 100% CORRECT. Watch it - it is worth it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36677028
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BST,
I'm not going to disagree with anything you've posted on this subject, apart from one issue which I'll come to. But that's not the point I was addressing. It's the politicizing of everything that annoys me. Are we going to let the good become a victim of the best? It might not be the ideal app, it might not have all the bells and whistles people would want to see, but it does serve a purpose and appears to do that reasonably well. It will add to the jigsaw of complex issues that will eventually contain this virus.
Its the flippancy and indignation that some people use as an excuse to not comply that worries me. Certain people from day one said they wouldn't use this app when it was up and running, yet surely in an environment we're all living in we should take the precautions that are offered? I fail to see that the dislike of the Tory party decides whether we should install an app or not. As a member of this society I'll do my best to keep those around me safe and its got bugger all to do with this government. That doesn't mean I like them, agree with them or whatever. What it means is we are faced with a shit show which will get worse if we adopt the attitude that whatever the government touches can't be trusted. We have to trust the scientific community, and I hope that they are driving these issues from behind the scenes.
The one issue I disagree with you though is that the NHS app isn't an NHS app. I work for a global manufacturer of products, we have 70 factories dotted around the world, yet even we can't produce everything we need. We will employ others to build and deliver products for us. The fact it isn't made by us is completely irrelevant, it has our name on the box and that's all that matters.
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Can we really trust anything this shower does or says? As for downloading the NOT the NHS app that is purely a personal choice as for the NOT the NHS track and trace ............
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Now this I can't defend.
https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1309756246321438721?s=19
How can an "NHS" app not validate an NHS test?
And on that note I’ve now uninstalled the app, totall useless if it only recognises serco tests
Hows that social conscience of yours shaping up?
Fine, thanks for asking
Such a cop out. Tell me, do you wake up every morning determined to find something to be indignant about?
The app is a part of the T&T system, its not just there to record tests and I would assume everybody with a desire to protect those nearest and dearest would install it. I certainly wouldn't expect responsible people to be determined to find a half baked reason to remove it.
I downloaded the app on it’s release day, when it came to light that only private serco tests were able to be processed by it, that made my mind up to delete it, it’s not fit for purpose if it can’t process the vast majority of tests, if it were a Political decision by me I would n’t have downloaded it in the first place, I want it to work I want to get some normality back, and I want an app that would be inclusive of all tests not just private tests, at the moment we don’t have that from our “world beating” app
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SM
When it was launched, the App didn't allow you to upload details of any non-Serco COVID test! And yet they call it an NHS app. THAT is what I mean by the half-truths that make people instinctively mistrust this Govt.
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Whether you trust them or not it's worth having. Some places I visited last week said one of the group had to use the app or you don't enter. I tend to agree with that stance.
It's not perfect, neither is the government, but you can get the bloody app and still criticise it etc.
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I've got the app. If you have an Android or Apple phone (which 99% of people with smartphones will do) there's no additional security risk as it's based on their platforms anyway. And all your NHS data is in Cummings' little goblin hands anyway, so that ship has long since sailed.
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Actually, ALL your Govt data is in Cummings's hands. The Govt quietly announced on the day Parliament broke for the Summer that as of that day, the Cabinet Office which Cummings runs is now responsible for ALL Govt data.
So Cummings, who illegally used data mining to decide who to target lies to in the Brexit campaign, now knows what tax you pay, what car you drive, whether you have a TV licence and the last time you were tested for clap.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but anyone who isn't shit scared by that is either living in a hole in the ground or just not thinking about it.
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The 'NHS' app is killing the battery on both mine and my wife's mobile phone! It's clear that the app, like the book a test web site app, hasn't been tested properly!
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Just a thought on the running down on the phone batteries.
If I use my GPS tracking on my phone to Fitbit watch when I go out on my bike for three or four hours the phone battery always runs down more quickly than when I am not using the GPS facility.
Would this not be a reason why the NHS App runs phone batteries low quickly and if so, why is it such a surprise to people.
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Correct, but there's ways you can optimise the app to have as little an effect as possible on your battery.
You'd imagine that the government would have had that seen to, until you look at their track record...
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I agree it's a battery killer but I find everything Bluetooth is not just this app. I tend to only switch it on in the car or syncing my Garmin watch.
I will have it on out and about now though, it's the right thing to do.
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OK.
The Serco App has just sent a notification to my phone. It said on a banner at the top of my screen "Someone you were close to has repo..."
I click on the notification banner and it vanishes.
I open the App. Nothing.
So what do I do now?
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Ok. This.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-some-users-of-nhs-tracing-app-incorrectly-given-covid-19-exposure-alerts-12086225
Not really inspiring confidence is it?
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OK.
The Serco App has just sent a notification to my phone. It said on a banner at the top of my screen "Someone you were close to has repo..."
I click on the notification banner and it vanishes.
I open the App. Nothing.
So what do I do now?
That happened to me today too!
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Happened to me yesterday. You'd have thought at the very least that it'd tell you WHERE the notification was triggered.
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So there’s no certainty that was a real notification or not.?
This is my concern over the app - how it works and if it doesn’t work properly..
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OK.
The Serco App has just sent a notification to my phone. It said on a banner at the top of my screen "Someone you were close to has repo..."
I click on the notification banner and it vanishes.
I open the App. Nothing.
So what do I do now?
Just happened again. This is a right chuffing mess.
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OK.
The Serco App has just sent a notification to my phone. It said on a banner at the top of my screen "Someone you were close to has repo..."
I click on the notification banner and it vanishes.
I open the App. Nothing.
So what do I do now?
Just happened again. This is a right chuffing mess.
And again at 4am this morning.
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'technical' issues delayed the release of worse figures till 900pm Sat and will me
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So I have downloaded the Serco track and trace app app and gone into my local cafe this morning. Scanned the code on the table to check in and guess what? Yep you got it. It doesn't register it.
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That's odd as every single one I've done has worked so far in all parts of the country.
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That's odd as every single one I've done has worked so far in all parts of the country.
lucky you
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Different phones, is there a list of phones that accept the app?
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I've had four of those erroneous "someone you were near..." messages today. What an utter bloody shambles. Why can't we get any of these systems to work properly?
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I haven't had any. I feel left out.
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Just had another one while typing! Do you want mine?
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Seriously, I've absolutely no idea if I am regularly coming into contact with cases. Or if it's an error that's been going on, unfixed for days and days. I THINK it's the latter, but since this was known to be an error over a week ago, why the hell hasn't it been sorted?
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Stolen from Twitter Statement from Han-cog
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I haven't had any. I feel left out.
Billy no mates. 😉
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Seriously, I've absolutely no idea if I am regularly coming into contact with cases. Or if it's an error that's been going on, unfixed for days and days. I THINK it's the latter, but since this was known to be an error over a week ago, why the hell hasn't it been sorted?
What phone do you have? I've had nothing, it pops up in notifications but no message in the notification (many apps do that).
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They wouldnt let me in a McDonalds last night because I dont have the App and would not downlad the App
I asked to fill in the Paper to do tracing but was refused. It laws that you have the App they said (I think its a Mcs own App)
I dont WANT an App - aha they said if you have NHS App that is just a straight forward record that you were here with no other "information"
I said I have opted to fill in paperwork everywhere I have benn rather than an App at which point they conceded that some phones dont work - and if they dont then we use the I Pad
I pointed out that I had been recorded on that very branch's IPad several times but was still refused.
Then they further conceded if the IPad didnt work their back up plan WAS the Paper and Pen - and I said well lets go for that. No sorry you have to go through the procedure starting with the App
Mrs Wolfie said when I went back to the Car without the Coffees I had gone for "you should have said your battery was flat - or you didnt have a Mobile"
Apart from the last sentence which of course makes perfect sense does any of the other stuff make any sense ?
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Just had another one while typing! Do you want mine?
Why don't you just uninstall it and install it again?
The one on my phone works perfectly.
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I wonder if it's an OS issue? I'm on an Android. Is it an iPhone thing?
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Just had another one while typing! Do you want mine?
Why don't you just uninstall it and install it again?
The one on my phone works perfectly.
Will that solve it
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MM. No, I'm on Android.
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According to an article in Der Spiegel the Germans are not that happy with their track and trace app, they are having problems as well but it is probably a secret our media want to keep.
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That's the extent of my IT support expertise, BST! Uninstalling and reinstalling it may help as SM says.
According to an article in Der Spiegel the Germans are not that happy with their track and trace app, they are having problems as well but it is probably a secret our media want to keep.
Evidently, it's a secret you want to keep too as you haven't provided a link, and there's nowt on the Spiegel homepage about this critical story...
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Macho, don't give up just try harder. It is a German international editorial about a German problem try the bloody Germany section on the headings.
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Selby.
Why don't you just post a link? It's the courteous thing to do.
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Maybe he doesn’t know how to post a link.
Not everyone does.
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https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/lots-of-work-but-little-utility-germans-disappointed-by-coronavirus-tracking-app-a-7c30191e-b225-4c37-917d-41dc2a6078a1
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They wouldnt let me in a McDonalds last night because I dont have the App and would not downlad the App
I asked to fill in the Paper to do tracing but was refused. It laws that you have the App they said (I think its a Mcs own App)
I dont WANT an App - aha they said if you have NHS App that is just a straight forward record that you were here with no other "information"
I said I have opted to fill in paperwork everywhere I have benn rather than an App at which point they conceded that some phones dont work - and if they dont then we use the I Pad
I pointed out that I had been recorded on that very branch's IPad several times but was still refused.
Then they further conceded if the IPad didnt work their back up plan WAS the Paper and Pen - and I said well lets go for that. No sorry you have to go through the procedure starting with the App
Mrs Wolfie said when I went back to the Car without the Coffees I had gone for "you should have said your battery was flat - or you didnt have a Mobile"
Apart from the last sentence which of course makes perfect sense does any of the other stuff make any sense ?
Why do they assume that everyone has a smart phone? I don't have one or want one so does that give them the right to exclude me, not that I would want to eat their crap in any case?
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Maybe he doesn’t know how to post a link.
Not everyone does.
Then maybe you cold have suggested that he just has to highlight the text in the address bar, copy it and paste it into the message?
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Maybe he doesn’t know how to post a link.
Not everyone does.
Then maybe you cold have suggested that he just has to highlight the text in the address bar, copy it and paste it into the message?
Perhaps I could but I was suggesting a reason why he may not have added a link.
Perhaps you might have thought so too and made your other suggestion to him.
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It never dawned on me that Selby wouldn't know how to paste a link.
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I'm fairly sure he knows, he just chooses not to because it means he gets to say stuff like "the Germans are not happy with their track and trace app", while ignoring the other side of the argument that article presents.
Even the critical arguments put forward in that article don't come close to the problems our track and trace system faces. Of course Selby doesn't want to actually talk about it constructively, he just wants to go after the Germans. I'm not sure why, as other countries having problems doesn't make UK govt failings any better, but I suppose that's what happens when everything is a weird competition to you.
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Macho not at all, I just read different news outlets to the norm I suppose I got fed up with the British press some time ago.
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Again this is not a sneer but shows how different the approach is.
Hundreds of Victorians are self-isolating and undergoing testing as a result of two Covid-19 cases linked to a cafe in Kilmore, 60km north of Melbourne.
The source of the Kilmore cases was a person connected to Melbourne’s Chadstone shopping centre outbreak, who obtained a work permit to travel to regional Victoria, and stopped to dine at Oddfellows Cafe in Kilmore during that trip.
The person did not know they were infected at the time of travel but broke the rules by dining in despite being from metropolitan Melbourne, which is still under strict lockdown. People permitted to travel to regional Victoria from metropolitan Melbourne are only allowed takeaway.
The head of Victoria’s Covid-19 testing program, Jeroen Weimar, said on Wednesday: “Kilmore is a highly risky transmission site for us”.
He said the cafe had kept meticulous records of all the people who had been through its establishment, allowing tracers to identify the link to Chadstone shopping centre and 177 people who had been through the cafe through the relevant period of 30 September to 4 October.
“Each of those people has been followed up and as a result we have 177 people and the people that they live with … now self-isolating. That’s a big ask.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/07/hundreds-of-victorians-self-isolating-after-two-covid-cases-linked-to-kilmore-cafe
The Oz covid app hardly gets a mention so I'm assuming there's not a lot for it to notify or it's not working or both.
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An up to date article makes interesting reading in why we should be using the NHS Track and Trace App alongside the Covid 19 Symptom Track App through Kings College @ London.
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/nhs-app-covid-symptom-study
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I had an notification when I woke up this morning but nothing when I opened the app. I dont feel left out now
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Just watching sky news and it seems the qr coding on the new Serco track and trace app doesn't work!!
In any industry or company not being friends or donors to the Tory party the CEO would have been sacked or forced to resign by now.
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Macho not at all, I just read different news outlets to the norm I suppose I got fed up with the British press some time ago.
The Beano?
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'The Victor' ?
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What's your mag Kato The Loser?
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What's your mag Kato The Loser?
Nope, the FT and the Independent mostly. For a laugh I'll ocasionally take a look at the front page of the Mail just to see how they are currently mugging their readers. Also Aljazeera. Nothing like keeping abreast of the current situation. Can you point me to a link to The Loser, I don't seem to be able to find it on the net.
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What's your mag Kato The Loser?
Nope, the FT and the Independent mostly. For a laugh I'll ocasionally take a look at the front page of the Mail just to see how they are currently mugging their readers. Also Aljazeera. Nothing like keeping abreast of the current situation. Can you point me to a link to The Loser, I don't seem to be able to find it on the net.
Selby doesn’t do links.. ;)
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I was advised by the app to self isolate for 10 days and get a test when I reported symptoms to it at 18:58 today, Was offered a drive through test window between 19:00 - 19:30 tonight, 2.5 miles away. Just got back. Whole set up is like something out of a zombie apocalypse film. multiple testing bays, ppl everywhere in full protective kit, 40 mins from advised to get test to been home typing this.
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Brilliant service.
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Odd isn’t it that when you used the service properly it worked perfectly.
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Gov website said 95 slots available, There was also 2 other sites within 3 miles available. guess this is where the resource is
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Good luck with the result Ldr.
Still waiting for my son's so that's both kids off school tomorrow and my wife not able to go to work. Going to be fun me working from home...
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Thanks BST
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Good luck with the result Ldr.
Still waiting for my son's so that's both kids off school tomorrow and my wife not able to go to work. Going to be fun me working from home...
You'll adapt, I've had 2 days in the office in 7 months. It has many negatives that's for sure but is the right thing. Main thing is being safe.
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Fully agree BFYP. Personally I've had 4 days in my office in 7 months, but I was getting used to being able to work in a quiet home.
As it happens, we've just got my kid's result and it's -ve so back to (new) normal tomorrow. And a big relief.
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And no complaints from me about the efficiency of the testing process.
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As it happens, we've just got my kid's result and it's -ve so back to (new) normal tomorrow. And a big relief.
That’s great news BST.!
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Fully agree BFYP. Personally I've had 4 days in my office in 7 months, but I was getting used to being able to work in a quiet home.
As it happens, we've just got my kid's result and it's -ve so back to (new) normal tomorrow. And a big relief.
Great news on a dismal Monday morning
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Thanks folks. Hope you get the same result Ldr.
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Only issue I have with the whole experience is that it's a hell of a test to try to administer to a 12 year old in a car. I'm not at all convinced that I properly swabbed his tonsils because I just couldn't see properly. And I assume "negative" means "no virus on the swab" not "definitely no virus in your system".
Having that experience, I'd be absolutely amazed if there were not a hell of a lot of false negatives in people who carry out the test themselves or apply it to a kid. That never gets raised by the "false positive" obsessives.
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Only issue I have with the whole experience is that it's a hell of a test to try to administer to a 12 year old in a car. I'm not at all convinced that I properly swabbed his tonsils because I just couldn't see properly. And I assume "negative" means "no virus on the swab" not "definitely no virus in your system".
Having that experience, I'd be absolutely amazed if there were not a hell of a lot of false negatives in people who carry out the test themselves or apply it to a kid. That never gets raised by the "false positive" obsessives.
I'd echo that but swap the 12 year old for a 7 month old at the time, nigh on impossible and agree it can't be perfect.
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Only issue I have with the whole experience is that it's a hell of a test to try to administer to a 12 year old in a car. I'm not at all convinced that I properly swabbed his tonsils because I just couldn't see properly. And I assume "negative" means "no virus on the swab" not "definitely no virus in your system".
Having that experience, I'd be absolutely amazed if there were not a hell of a lot of false negatives in people who carry out the test themselves or apply it to a kid. That never gets raised by the "false positive" obsessives.
Had the choice of self swab or nurse swabbed. Advised to choose the latter so they did it
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All clear just arrived
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Only issue I have with the whole experience is that it's a hell of a test to try to administer to a 12 year old in a car. I'm not at all convinced that I properly swabbed his tonsils because I just couldn't see properly. And I assume "negative" means "no virus on the swab" not "definitely no virus in your system".
Having that experience, I'd be absolutely amazed if there were not a hell of a lot of false negatives in people who carry out the test themselves or apply it to a kid. That never gets raised by the "false positive" obsessives.
My 32 year old daughter had to do it herself at the airport centre, her test came back inconclusive, so fathom out what that means against posative or negative
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Nice one Ldr. Something like 95% of test result are coming back negative which is a blessing I guess.
We weren't given the option of having someone else do the test. I'd have definitely taken that if it was on offer.
Filo. I think that means that the chemicals they use to assess presence of the virus has had some response but not enough to make it over the level that is officially classed as a +ve. It happens.
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I've been working as normal since early May. Many of the staff here are under 30 and don't care. They totally ignore all social distancing and don't wear masks at all. One of them openly admitted he has not stuck to any restrictions at all because he doesn't give a F because he'll be ok. He even carried on as normal out and about when he returned from Spain and was supposed to be self isolating. The company has done the bare minimum other than stick up a load of signs to tick all the right boxes. This is why i'm hacked off with missing the football because I have no choice but to be at risk for five days a week.
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I've been working as normal since early May. Many of the staff here are under 30 and don't care. They totally ignore all social distancing and don't wear masks at all. One of them openly admitted he has not stuck to any restrictions at all because he doesn't give a F because he'll be ok. He even carried on as normal out and about when he returned from Spain and was supposed to be self isolating. The company has done the bare minimum other than stick up a load of signs to tick all the right boxes. This is why i'm hacked off with missing the football because I have no choice but to be at risk for five days a week.
That's one reason why we used to have Unions...
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I have a son-in-law that works for Leeds council he likes Boris but hates unions.
I asked him if he liked the paid holidays,shorter working week, sick scheme, pension plan and National Health.
Unions were the main reason that these benefits are now expected by workers. He just doesn't get it.
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I've only just come on off-topic.
Great news about BST and Ldr.
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So the government says South Yorkshire is High risk. My Serco (NHS) app says we are medium. Who do I believe?
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Cheers SS. Much appreciated.
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Thanks SS
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I've been working as normal since early May. Many of the staff here are under 30 and don't care. They totally ignore all social distancing and don't wear masks at all. One of them openly admitted he has not stuck to any restrictions at all because he doesn't give a F because he'll be ok. He even carried on as normal out and about when he returned from Spain and was supposed to be self isolating. The company has done the bare minimum other than stick up a load of signs to tick all the right boxes. This is why i'm hacked off with missing the football because I have no choice but to be at risk for five days a week.
That's one reason why we used to have Unions...
I agree with you totally, but they didn't really help themselves in the seventies did they with the winter of discontent and all that. They sowed the seeds of their own downfall hence Thatcher coming into power and here we are today.
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I've been working as normal since early May. Many of the staff here are under 30 and don't care. They totally ignore all social distancing and don't wear masks at all. One of them openly admitted he has not stuck to any restrictions at all because he doesn't give a F because he'll be ok. He even carried on as normal out and about when he returned from Spain and was supposed to be self isolating. The company has done the bare minimum other than stick up a load of signs to tick all the right boxes. This is why i'm hacked off with missing the football because I have no choice but to be at risk for five days a week.
They don’t care.? Why don’t they care.?
I think that “all right jack” attitude is really selfish and endemic across the country and is a big problem for our society, and why we end up with tits like Johnson and co in charge..
So your workplace is a dreadful example of how to deal with the pandemic and all you can worry about is whether you can go to the football.!
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I've been working as normal since early May. Many of the staff here are under 30 and don't care. They totally ignore all social distancing and don't wear masks at all. One of them openly admitted he has not stuck to any restrictions at all because he doesn't give a F because he'll be ok. He even carried on as normal out and about when he returned from Spain and was supposed to be self isolating. The company has done the bare minimum other than stick up a load of signs to tick all the right boxes. This is why i'm hacked off with missing the football because I have no choice but to be at risk for five days a week.
They don’t care.? Why don’t they care.?
I think that “all right jack” attitude is really selfish and endemic across the country and is a big problem for our society, and why we end up with tits like Johnson and co in charge..
So your workplace is a dreadful example of how to deal with the pandemic and all you can worry about is whether you can go to the football.!
That's my point. Through no fault of my own I am subject to working with people who pay no attention to any of the rules and if I get infected it's tough on me. If I have to put up with this five days a week at work I can't see why I can't stand outside and watch a football match a couple of times a month. This will be going on forever.
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Two wrongs don’t make a right however..
Just because those selfish people are non compliant doesn’t justify others bending the rules, does it.?
I can understand your frustrations of course...
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Two wrongs don’t make a right however..
Just because those selfish people are non compliant doesn’t justify others bending the rules, does it.?
I can understand your frustrations of course...
The thing is that the fannying, something or nothing restrictions which are coming into force will not be adhered to and won't make much difference. If they can't enforce these rules then what is the point of having them?
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The rules should be clearer, stronger and immediate.
I certainly agree with the sentiment of them fannying about..
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The rules should be clearer, stronger and immediate.
I certainly agree with the sentiment of them fannying about..
Nothing is ever achieved by dithering. One way or another they should grasp the nettle and do something decisive, either open for business, or some sort of stricter rules. Personally I would rather be open for business but would abide by what ever the decision was.
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Dido has a band of helpers to deliver a world beating T+T system;
https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1315685205240315904/photo/1
Are these a relevant group to the task, better than the existing local networks?
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The rules should be clearer, stronger and immediate.
I certainly agree with the sentiment of them fannying about..
Nothing is ever achieved by dithering. One way or another they should grasp the nettle and do something decisive, either open for business, or some sort of stricter rules. Personally I would rather be open for business but would abide by what ever the decision was.
Totally agree AL.
It's just come out this morning that, three weeks ago, SAGE advised that we needed an immediate short "circuit-breaker" national lockdown to kill the increase in the infection numbers that we are currently seeing They recommended 5 policies overall:
a. A circuit-breaker (short period of lockdown) to return incidence to low levels.
b. Advice to work from home for all those that can.
c. Banning all contact within the home with members of other households
( except members of a support bubble)
d. Closure of all bars, restaurants, cafes, indoor gyms, and personal services (e.g. hairdressers)
e. All university and college teaching to be online unless face-to-face teaching is absolutely essential.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925853/S0768_Fifty-eighth_SAGE_meeting_on_Covid-19.pdf
The Govt implemented only 1 (b) of those 5.
In the week leading up to that report on 21 Sept there were just under 28,000 new positive test results.
In the past week, there have been 104,792. At current rates of growth, over the next week there will be another 140,000. And straight after Johnson had announced the new measures last night (which STILL come nowhere near what SAGE was advising three weeks ago) the CSA stood up in the very same briefing and said he had zero confidence that the new measures will bring this outbreak under control.
You could just, if you are really generous, make an excuse for the Govt dithering and delaying the lockdown first time round. This is absolutely unforgivable this time. By ignoring the advice three weeks ago, they have set us up for a much, MUCH harder job to control this second wave over the rest of the Winter.
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I reckon the genie is well and truly out of the bottle now and short of troops on the street and curfews there's no way they'll get it back in.
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The rules should be clearer, stronger and immediate.
I certainly agree with the sentiment of them fannying about..
Nothing is ever achieved by dithering. One way or another they should grasp the nettle and do something decisive, either open for business, or some sort of stricter rules. Personally I would rather be open for business but would abide by what ever the decision was.
Totally agree AL.
It's just come out this morning that, three weeks ago, SAGE advised that we needed an immediate short "circuit-breaker" national lockdown to kill the increase in the infection numbers that we are currently seeing They recommended 5 policies overall:
a. A circuit-breaker (short period of lockdown) to return incidence to low levels.
b. Advice to work from home for all those that can.
c. Banning all contact within the home with members of other households
( except members of a support bubble)
d. Closure of all bars, restaurants, cafes, indoor gyms, and personal services (e.g. hairdressers)
e. All university and college teaching to be online unless face-to-face teaching is absolutely essential.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925853/S0768_Fifty-eighth_SAGE_meeting_on_Covid-19.pdf
The Govt implemented only 1 (b) of those 5.
In the week leading up to that report on 21 Sept there were just under 28,000 new positive test results.
In the past week, there have been 104,792. At current rates of growth, over the next week there will be another 140,000. And straight after Johnson had announced the new measures last night (which STILL come nowhere near what SAGE was advising three weeks ago) the CSA stood up in the very same briefing and said he had zero confidence that the new measures will bring this outbreak under control.
You could just, if you are really generous, make an excuse for the Govt dithering and delaying the lockdown first time round. This is absolutely unforgivable this time. By ignoring the advice three weeks ago, they have set us up for a much, MUCH harder job to control this second wave over the rest of the Winter.
The problem I see is that even with another lockdown of some description the usual suspects will still ignore it and we will be no further forward at the end of it. I do not want another lockdown, but if it has to be then so be it, however I can only speak of what people around me at work are saying which is that they would ignore it. When the 10pm curfew came in for pubs the attitude was 'Well i'll just start drinking earlier'. There is no one to enforce it and people know this. I can see both sides of the lockdown vs open for business argument and appreciate that everyone has different priorities, but where do we all go if we can't control the idiots who won't comply for the common good?
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The stupidity shown by students in Liverpool last night beggars belief!
Close Liverpool University, and cancel all courses there, that will show them not to f**k about and set an example to other university cities
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The stupidity shown by students in Liverpool last night beggars belief!
Close Liverpool University, and cancel all courses there, that will show them not to f**k about and set an example to other university cities
I know you can't say everyone in such a group is this or that, however it does look like the 20-30 age group in the main are the main culprits in dragging this on and they are the ones doing all the moaning.
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The stupidity shown by students in Liverpool last night beggars belief!
Close Liverpool University, and cancel all courses there, that will show them not to f**k about and set an example to other university cities
I know you can't say everyone in such a group is this or that, however it does look like the 20-30 age group in the main are the main culprits in dragging this on and they are the ones doing all the moaning.
It was student night in Concert Square Liverpool, 100% they were students, the supposed future brains of the Country
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The stupidity shown by students in Liverpool last night beggars belief!
Close Liverpool University, and cancel all courses there, that will show them not to f**k about and set an example to other university cities
I know you can't say everyone in such a group is this or that, however it does look like the 20-30 age group in the main are the main culprits in dragging this on and they are the ones doing all the moaning.
It was student night in Concert Square Liverpool, 100% they were students, the supposed future brains of the Country
Oh dear. What awaits us in the future? Although having said that last month I set on a 16 year old lad as an apprentice and he seems to have more common sense than many of these students. He has a really good work ethic and is keen to learn. I must have struck lucky.
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The stupidity shown by students in Liverpool last night beggars belief!
Close Liverpool University, and cancel all courses there, that will show them not to f**k about and set an example to other university cities
I know you can't say everyone in such a group is this or that, however it does look like the 20-30 age group in the main are the main culprits in dragging this on and they are the ones doing all the moaning.
It was student night in Concert Square Liverpool, 100% they were students, the supposed future brains of the Country
It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that as soon as students went to university the infection rate would rise rapidly. A high percentage of Uni students are now doing their courses online. Why couldn't this have been instigated before they all went off to infect the rest of the country??
It couldn't possibly have anything to do with universities not being able to collect tuition fees etc etc could it?
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What about those of us with more than half a brain?
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The stupidity shown by students in Liverpool last night beggars belief!
Close Liverpool University, and cancel all courses there, that will show them not to f**k about and set an example to other university cities
I know you can't say everyone in such a group is this or that, however it does look like the 20-30 age group in the main are the main culprits in dragging this on and they are the ones doing all the moaning.
It was student night in Concert Square Liverpool, 100% they were students, the supposed future brains of the Country
It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that as soon as students went to university the infection rate would rise rapidly. A high percentage of Uni students are now doing their courses online. Why couldn't this have been instigated before they all went off to infect the rest of the country??
It couldn't possibly have anything to do with universities not being able to collect tuition fees etc etc could it?
It's a much bigger issue that just Uni tuition fees, although I suspect that is part of it. The whole economies of several major cities are dependent on the student population. Everything from shops to house rental coming into the city.
What SHOULD have happened is that Govt and Universities should have sat down over the summer and taken the decision that there was going to be no return to campus before the New Year. Students should have stayed at home and been taught online. And then Govt should have poured money into the affected cities to compensate for the loss of income.
Instead, we've brought students into University cities and they have turbo-charged the second wave there. Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, Nottingham, Newcastle - all those places have the highest outbreaks in the student areas. It's a shocking lack of leadership. But what did we really expect?
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What about those of us with more than half a brain?
Not sure you are qualified to speak for them.
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
And while we are at it. What about the government minister who says it is ok for pubs to stay open and be classed as restaurants if they serve salad or chips with a pasty. God help us. No wonder people don't take government advice seriously.
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
And while we are at it. What about the government minister who says it is ok for pubs to stay open and be classed as restaurants if they serve salad or chips with a pasty. God help us. No wonder people don't take government advice seriously.
Sounds like healthy diet advice to boost your immune system at this time. I can see it now, a massive pie, half a tomato and a screwed up lettuce leaf, the latter two won't get eaten in any case. Pass the red sauce!
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
Ask your gp....
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
100% of my daughter goes there to study..
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
100% of my daughter goes there to study..
I hope she is successful. It's the same old story isn't it. You only see the idiots on the news. It's like football supporters, only a few give the rest a bad rep.
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
100% of my daughter goes there to study..
I hope she is successful. It's the same old story isn't it. You only see the idiots on the news. It's like football supporters, only a few give the rest a bad rep.
On that we can definitely agree..
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
I guess you don't mix much with new graduates. I do through work and the ones I work with are miles more professional, better educated and more committed to hard work than my generation was.
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What about those of us with more than half a brain?
Not sure you are qualified to speak for them.
Why don't you let them answer for themselves?
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
100% of my daughter goes there to study..
Would be a bit worried if less than 100% of her goes. :laugh:
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Maybe the smarter ones realise just how hard getting decent jobs is going to be once this situation is over.
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The stupidity shown by students in Liverpool last night beggars belief!
Close Liverpool University, and cancel all courses there, that will show them not to f**k about and set an example to other university cities
I know you can't say everyone in such a group is this or that, however it does look like the 20-30 age group in the main are the main culprits in dragging this on and they are the ones doing all the moaning.
After those young people went on the rampage at 10pm in York I wrote on here how young people were being disrespectful and likely to,pass COVID on to parents and grandparents.
I remember getting told that we should offer more humility to the young and give them a bit of slack.
Apparently we should acknowledge the sacrifices they are have made and are continuing to make.
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Dido has a band of helpers to deliver a world beating T+T system;
https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1315685205240315904/photo/1
Are these a relevant group to the task, better than the existing local networks?
That could be a great name for an 60's rock band. Dido and The Ditherers.
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I've had a "weekly" reminder that my exposure notifications are active six times today. Anyone else?
Edit: moments after posting, a seventh... and eighth...
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The stupidity shown by students in Liverpool last night beggars belief!
Close Liverpool University, and cancel all courses there, that will show them not to f**k about and set an example to other university cities
I know you can't say everyone in such a group is this or that, however it does look like the 20-30 age group in the main are the main culprits in dragging this on and they are the ones doing all the moaning.
After those young people went on the rampage at 10pm in York I wrote on here how young people were being disrespectful and likely to,pass COVID on to parents and grandparents.
I remember getting told that we should offer more humility to the young and give them a bit of slack.
Apparently we should acknowledge the sacrifices they are have made and are continuing to make.
No we should judge all young people as idiots because a few idiots acted like so in Liverpool last night.
Life is bloody tough for young people right now. I thought it was tough graduating after the last major recession and it was, jobs were scarce and it was a nightmare. But it's even worse now. They will graduate and be competing with hundreds for one job, they have no income now, no assets to fall back on, can't enjoy their youth while they have it and many students particularly in their first year are away from home with no friends or family around. That doesn't excuse those in Liverpool last night but they are such a small % of young people in a super tough time, some of which are probably struggling to understand the world at the minute.
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The stupidity shown by students in Liverpool last night beggars belief!
Close Liverpool University, and cancel all courses there, that will show them not to f**k about and set an example to other university cities
I know you can't say everyone in such a group is this or that, however it does look like the 20-30 age group in the main are the main culprits in dragging this on and they are the ones doing all the moaning.
After those young people went on the rampage at 10pm in York I wrote on here how young people were being disrespectful and likely to,pass COVID on to parents and grandparents.
I remember getting told that we should offer more humility to the young and give them a bit of slack.
Apparently we should acknowledge the sacrifices they are have made and are continuing to make.
No we should judge all young people as idiots because a few idiots acted like so in Liverpool last night.
Life is bloody tough for young people right now. I thought it was tough graduating after the last major recession and it was, jobs were scarce and it was a nightmare. But it's even worse now. They will graduate and be competing with hundreds for one job, they have no income now, no assets to fall back on, can't enjoy their youth while they have it and many students particularly in their first year are away from home with no friends or family around. That doesn't excuse those in Liverpool last night but they are such a small % of young people in a super tough time, some of which are probably struggling to understand the world at the minute.
I think I heard that the highest infection rates are in the 19 to 29 age range.
They aren’t all students I wouldn’t think.
I know that all young people aren’t idiots but that age range above do seem to be the ones who have least regard for the rules.
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On the other hand, young people are also most likely to be working in retail or hospitality, ergo more exposed to the general public than most.
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Hound.
Young people are the very ones who were encouraged to get back out into pubs. It was inevitable that would lead to increases in infections. None of us act 100% sensibly when we've had a few pints.
It's young people who were told to go back to universities where they live in multiple occupancy houses or in packed halls of residence, which seems to be where the most virulent breeding grounds have been.
But some perspective is needed here. Even in the worst hit places it's only a tiny percentage of young people who have caught the virus. I cannot remember the last time I saw a 20 year old in Sheffield not wearing a mask in shops or takeaways. And I can't say that about older people. Yes there have been some idiots highlighted in the media but it needs keeping in proportion.
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Things must be different in Donny then BST.
I have seen lots of younger people in shops who haven't been wearing masks.
The local Hermes shop keeper tells me that that age group are the biggest culprits for disregarding the rules in his establishment.
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I blame the parents.
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Still can't believe Liverpool is the first place to get hit with it bad. Least scruffiest, hardest working law abiding citizens in the UK
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Dido has a band of helpers to deliver a world beating T+T system;
https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1315685205240315904/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/globalhlthtwit/status/1315685205240315904/photo/1)
Are these a relevant group to the task, better than the existing local networks?
That could be a great name for an 60's rock band. Dido and The Ditherers.
Jonny Johnson and the Bandwagon were of course real and featured some very appropriate song titles :
Blame it on the Pony Express (you've blamed everything else)
You Blew Your Cool And Lost You Fool (OK Guilty I deleted 1 letter)
Lets hang on
Breakin' Down The Walls of Heartache
In the bad BAD old days
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This might be more appropriate.
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I know 3 Bell ends is short and snappy but maybe it could have been 103 bell or belle ends
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Lot's of educated idiots on show in Liverpool last night, perhaps you could give a speech for them Dennis.
Exactly my point Selby. Those educated idiots should have been doing their university studies at home online and not in Liverpool!
Does anyone know the percentage of students who go to University to learn anything, or is it just for booze, sex and drugs? :)
I guess you don't mix much with new graduates. I do through work and the ones I work with are miles more professional, better educated and more committed to hard work than my generation was.
I did in my previous role working for a large multinational and I can't say I was over impressed with the individuals I met and worked alongside , but that may have just been the type which that company employed.
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Still can't believe Liverpool is the first place to get hit with it bad. Least scruffiest, hardest working law abiding citizens in the UK
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=Manchester&country2=United+Kingdom&city2=Liverpool
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My daughter had cause to venture into Nottingham yesterday as part of her work, in the main it was very quiet but sadly where it was busy it mainly consisted of young people not wearing masks or social distancing, there is no wonder the figures are going through the roof in the City
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My daughter had cause to venture into Nottingham yesterday as part of her work, in the main it was very quiet but sadly where it was busy it mainly consisted of young people not wearing masks or social distancing, there is no wonder the figures are going through the roof in the City
On my way back home today at school leaving time, kids were getting on the busses and all were wearing masks........until they got to their seats and then about half of them took the mask off.
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Apparently 3 cases of covid, at Ash Hill Academy (Hatfield School), loads of kids sent home to isolate
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The ones I saw were from Hunger Hill at Edenthorpe.
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So the Serco TTTI system appears to be unravelling. Experts say it is vital that results are turned round in 24 hours. Johnson promised in June that 100% would be. But it's currently running at 1/3rd. And to compound that, the system.is not tracing anywhere near as big a percentage of contacts of positive cases as experts say we need to do to make a difference.
Still, it's an ill wind, eh?
https://mobile.twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1316810396632838145
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You are talking about moonshot bst?
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Apparently 3 cases of covid, at Ash Hill Academy (Hatfield School), loads of kids sent home to isolate
I was told today that one of those kids has infected his parents and grandparents.
The grandparents, in their eighties, have been admitted to hospital.
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Apparently 3 cases of covid, at Ash Hill Academy (Hatfield School), loads of kids sent home to isolate
I was told today that one of those kids has infected his parents and grandparents.
The grandparents, in their eighties, have been admitted to hospital.
I hope they're happy with themselves now.
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Today I got a notification of contact with a positive.
Only, it doesn't tell me where, or when, the apparent contact was. I drive from Doncaster on the road way to Scunthorpe every weekday, so it could be absolutely anyone I've driven past the house of, and I've absolutely no idea. How do I see this information?
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Today I got a notification of contact with a positive.
Only, it doesn't tell me where, or when, the apparent contact was. I drive from Doncaster on the road way to Scunthorpe every weekday, so it could be absolutely anyone I've driven past the house of, and I've absolutely no idea. How do I see this information?
It sounds like another one of those stupid phantom messages that I keep getting. If it was just a notification that flashed up, and it vanished when you tapped on it, ignore it. It's an error. If you genuinely have been in contact with a case (and apparently the app is picking up next to zero examples of that) then the app main screen with have details of what you must now do. If they aren't there, you can ignore it.
Bit of a chuffing shambles for £10bn int it?
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Apparently 3 cases of covid, at Ash Hill Academy (Hatfield School), loads of kids sent home to isolate
Apparently 3 cases of covid, at Ash Hill Academy (Hatfield School), loads of kids sent home to isolate
I was told today that one of those kids has infected his parents and grandparents.
The grandparents, in their eighties, have been admitted to hospital.
I was told today that one of those kids has infected his parents and grandparents.
The grandparents, in their eighties, have been admitted to hospital.
And thats the crux isnt it , its not just about 'you'
Mrs TfE and me have just cancelled a long planned night away , not for us as we are happy with hotel and the short travel arrangments , but child care means or just turned 15 lad would be at his grandparents for the night
Rules or no rules, now its escalating we cannot bear the thought that he might take something from school into their house just so we can have night out, how would you live with yourself after that ?
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As contact tracing gets worse by the week, down to 62% from the minimum 80% in order to work, some consultants are coining it with handouts from the Treasury;
https://news.sky.com/story/five-person-team-get-25k-a-day-to-work-on-test-and-trace-system-12105042
Contact tracing only succeeds if you get in touch with people quickly, without false positives, and they act to isolate in response.
Some of the notifications people have received might be to do with this;
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/contact-tracing-app-notification-bluetooth
Banana Republic you say......if only we were that good!
We would give it all to be a Banana Republic these days.
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Apparently 3 cases of covid, at Ash Hill Academy (Hatfield School), loads of kids sent home to isolate
Apparently 3 cases of covid, at Ash Hill Academy (Hatfield School), loads of kids sent home to isolate
I was told today that one of those kids has infected his parents and grandparents.
The grandparents, in their eighties, have been admitted to hospital.
I was told today that one of those kids has infected his parents and grandparents.
The grandparents, in their eighties, have been admitted to hospital.
And thats the crux isnt it , its not just about 'you'
Mrs TfE and me have just cancelled a long planned night away , not for us as we are happy with hotel and the short travel arrangments , but child care means or just turned 15 lad would be at his grandparents for the night
Rules or no rules, now its escalating we cannot bear the thought that he might take something from school into their house just so we can have night out, how would you live with yourself after that ?
Commendable - people should do the right thing - but mostly these days you notice more and more of the "eff you Jack Im OK" whether that is Parking on Yellow Lines or in Handicapped Parking places or using Mobile blatantly in view of everyone while driving - and of course with the Covid rules though it was not helped by Cummings and the others who openly took "the p**s" when the rules were at there SIMPLEST to understand
As a result it seems the Virus is spreading fast and I am informed Thorne is awash with it. I now know people who have it - the Schools are really affected despite Johnson staining everything to keep them open - and this was all exacerbated by a Coach load who went to Blackpool from the Thorne area and it is aid that 30 if them now have the Virus and are self isolating.
What were they thinking ?
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I was at a meeting the other night and had a call from one to tell us he was late and had given someone a lift to a friend the day before that had mild cold symptoms and sat in the back, all connected people were isolating with the 'lift' getting tested. All wore masks in the car.
Our meeting went ahead with the driver sat on a couch well away from us around the table and the lift got a positive negative (neg) result the next day, it's how it should work even with few cases around.
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Young people are the very ones who were encouraged to get back out into pubs. It was inevitable that would lead to increases in infections. None of us act 100% sensibly when we've had a few pints.
And they'll be the ones who are all coming out of a row of pubs like Silver Street at 10pm together due to that ridiculous rule.
I'm at the very top end of the young people bracket so know numerous people in it and 90% of the ones I know do follow the rules but one of my better friends doesn't wear a mask unless he's made to and when I was having a chat with him the other week says he's not worried about it because he'll personally be fine if he catches it as he's a fairly fit 31 year old, I did point out that is a selfish take on it as you're then giving it to -
His wife
His parents
His in-laws
His kids, one of which goes to school
Me
My family, including grandparent.
There's a small population over all age ranges that don't see the bigger picture. You're not just protecting yourself, you're protecting the ones you care about too as one of them may not be able to handle it like you.
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And it can also do long term damage regardless of how fit and healthy you may be...
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.... and one day your Mate will be in the very vulnerable group say 60 plus or have an underlyimg medical condition that will make him a realy high risk
This virus wont be the last I am guessing so in 40+ years there will be something similar I guess and there will be your mate wondering why all the kids in the Street are running about mixing with one another - and the ones 18 plus are going to the Pubs and Clubs ... because they think they are not at risk
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And it can also do long term damage regardless of how fit and healthy you may be...
And unfortunately you can't educate pork.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/police-given-access-test-and-trace-data-track-people-flouting-self-isolation-rule-3006993
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Will this not just make fewer people use the app?
Given the problem of usage falling below the viability level, and follow up not giving the isolation response needed, this is about as sensible as shooting yourself in the foot.
Unless you wanted it to fail for some reason!
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"Yesterday, in my mare, I sought a testing point that wasn't there! it wasn't there again today, Oh how I wish it would come my way ...
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I'm in the Caravan & Motorhome Club and as part of the new restrictions, you have to use the app to gain entrance onto the sites. This might be a sign of things to come in other establishments where it will be a necessity to have the app if you want to gain access to anywhere.
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You don't have to use it, we came to Chatsworth CMC club site yesterday. Booked in as normal but only 1 in reception at any time and must wear mask. The login symbol is displayed and people are recommended to use it but not compulsory.
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RR, did you use it? The Germans are not very happy with their tracing app either.
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I'm in the Caravan & Motorhome Club and as part of the new restrictions, you have to use the app to gain entrance onto the sites. This might be a sign of things to come in other establishments where it will be a necessity to have the app if you want to gain access to anywhere.
That is wrong. Many people do not have a smart phone. It is up to the site to manually record your details. Anyone who tells you different is talking boll....
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RR, did you use it? The Germans are not very happy with their tracing app either.
I scanned it out of interest having not used the app before but what it actually does I have no idea, and AL you been on a CMC site recently?
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What happens if the phone runs out of charge or the wi-fi packs in, does everybody go home?
At least a paper record should always be there.
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I'm in the Caravan & Motorhome Club and as part of the new restrictions, you have to use the app to gain entrance onto the sites. This might be a sign of things to come in other establishments where it will be a necessity to have the app if you want to gain access to anywhere.
That is wrong. Many people do not have a smart phone. It is up to the site to manually record your details. Anyone who tells you different is talking boll....
If you do not have the ability to download the App, they will use your booking details when needed, to provide contact information.
https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/uk-holidays/reopening-our-campsites/
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I hope you logged out RR when you got home.
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RR, did you use it? The Germans are not very happy with their tracing app either.
I scanned it out of interest having not used the app before but what it actually does I have no idea, and AL you been on a CMC site recently?
I don't have to, I know that you DO NOT need to have the app. It is not a legal requirement. It is up to the pub, café, camp site or whatever to manually log your details. You can not make a legal requirement for someone to have a smart phone.
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Not the answer to the question I asked, have you been on a CMC site recently?
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Not the answer to the question I asked, have you been on a CMC site recently?
Sorry. No I have not.
In fact I have not had one days holiday from work this year as there is no one else to run my department in my absence.
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Thank you then just to let you know that all stays are recorded on CMC computer. The app appears to be an optional extra
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Have any of you been to the test centre at DSA recently? Without a mobile phone you are totally knackered. How would the staff communicate with you without mobile phones? If you have been been you will know exactly what I mean.
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Had one at Drax yesterday, so fully understand. It would have to be an at home kit I reckon if you don't have phone
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Had one at Drax yesterday, so fully understand. It would have to be an at home kit I reckon if you don't have phone
Maybe it was because they are all out in the open but did find it a bit odd that none of the staff wore face coverings.
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Noone without a covering there yesterday
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Did my doorstep test today in the random testing process. One paperwork form and the tester/surveyor used a tablet. All very organised.
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Did my ONS test on Friday. If my test shows positive I will hear within a week by email and text. If it’s negative I will be notified by letter. Can’t understand that!
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Did my ONS test on Friday. If my test shows positive I will hear within a week by email and text. If it’s negative I will be notified by letter. Can’t understand that!
Ours told us if we hear nothing it's negative, only contacted if positive.
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We sent for three home tests last night at 5pm after we'd been in contact with a positive case and the young un started showing symptoms.
Tests arrived at 10am this morning, had an issue registering one test but a very painless telephone call to 119 resolved that issue, even offered help to get supplies to us while we are isolating.
Tests sent back this afternoon and hopefully results within 48 hours.
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Did my ONS test on Friday. If my test shows positive I will hear within a week by email and text. If it’s negative I will be notified by letter. Can’t understand that!
It should be written in English so you should be ok.
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Less impact every week, just when you need it to have more;
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-trace/under-60-of-english-covid-contacts-reached-in-new-record-low-for-trace-scheme-idUKKBN2771GX
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Have known a few cases round Thorne and avoiding politicising their experiences have been "poor"
One has a young baby - I will call it Simone - The tracer on the phone confirmed the mother was positive and the Son and then asked to speak to Simone. Mother said Simone is only 6 months old and hasnt had a test. But I need to speak to Simone to ask about symptoms. Mother says she cant talk but is fine anyway and you dont test Babies. Tracer says I need to ask her personally. Mother says sorry I am hanging up now and Tracer says OK bye Simone (Mother is not called Simone !)
Loads of others are gettin bombarded with calls after being tested and I mean 12 to 15 times a day. The calls last ages and they keep telling the caller they have been contacted before and given their results - but the Tracer says you are still listed as not contacted thats why I rang. Well I am hanging up says the person getting all the Calls. Tracer says NO NO dont hang up because we will still have you as not contacted and have to ring again and start right from the beginning
12 Billion quid and this small sample might noy be representative of all over Country but wouldnt be surprised
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A friend of mine was contacted by them and had to isolate She said they are a pain in the arse phoning up all the time numerous times a day
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sounds like the callers have target quantities of calls rather than quality outcomes
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''UK government seeks test and trace executive for up to £2,000 a day
Health department has since taken advertisement down, saying it needs to be redrafted''
No experience required apparently
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/uk-government-seeks-test-and-trace-executive-for-up-to-2000-a-day
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Pretty grim stuff on R4 tonight. A Fellow of the Academy of Medical Sciences saying that the TTTI system has failed. The (Tory) chair of the Parliamentary Committee on Science and Technology admitting the same and saying that they failed to get the system working properly in July and August when there were small numbers of infections, and now it's not fit for purpose. He repeatedly said that improvements are currently being patched in but he just couldn't understand why this wasn't done in the summer.
This final paragraph shouldn't need saying of course but y'know how things are with assumptions of bad faith left right and centre. This is no cause for celebration by anyone of any political persuasion. TTTI is a vital part of our ability to keep this bas**rd in check. We are going into a dark winter without that protection. Good luck everyone. It's going to be heavy going.
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I must admit that I was one of many pointing the bone at them in the early days of the pandemic for suspending the T&T operation as I didn't understand at the time that when contacts get over a certain number the system just cannot cope with the volume .............. but if the system is not functioning correctly it's operating as squelch in a feedback loop and the numbers get out of control so much more rapidly, I agree bst that's when the system needed an overhaul.
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sounds like the callers have target quantities of calls rather than quality outcomes
I suupose this is why lots of the people I used to watch on News Prods were advocating - indeed still are doing this work locally because for years Health Centres and local Practices and in some cases Hospitals have their finger on the pulse
My regular blood tests are coordinated by DRI Trust and have worked fine for 20 ish years. At the start of this virus they opened a test place at Keepmoat and its staying there till March 21 at the very least. They oversee other contageuos disease programmes when they occur - and oversee STD "outbreaks"
They know lots of the people involved and they "know" the local clientele and their habits and seem to my naked and unpolitical eye to be as ideal a choice as the Govt could have chosen. Sure they could have been under big pressure as cases increased and a few areas might have buckled under that pressure and have to be shored uo / helped out but they would have been local failings rather than what looks like a nationwide "mess"
Worse still the experts say it has cost 12 Bl pounds to produce this mess and worse still the Govt are now paying yet more on top and giving local councils unitary authorities etc even more money to run things locally
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The Serco Test & Trace system has a larger annual budget than the NASA project to send a manned mission to the moon in 2024.
https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1319346312018538498
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The Serco App buzzed me this morning that there was new information. So I hit the notification and it told me, "The COVID alert level in your area has changed."
I live in Sheffield. Nothing has changed for a week.
This is a shambles.
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The Serco App buzzed me this morning that there was new information. So I hit the notification and it told me, "The COVID alert level in your area has changed."
I live in Sheffield. Nothing has changed for a week.
This is a shambles.
Do you have a post code that splits over two counties? I had the alert yesterday as DN11 is in South Yorks and Nottinghamshire. The app was saying Very High and High until yesterday, now it just says Very High.
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Maybe not a shambles then.
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No DO, I don't.
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What I'm guessing has happened is this.
Our postcode area is adjacent to High Peak, but doesn't include any of High Peak.
High Peak went from Tier 1 to Tier 2 at midnight.
The app is saying our postcode area includes areas in COVID Tiers 2 and 3.
Their database is clearly mixing our postcode with the High Peak area.
But I've only figured that out from digging around myself.
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This isn't just a pointless moan by the way. It is important.
I've woken this morning to a message saying my area has regions in both Tier 2 and Tier 3.
It DOESN'T.
It is entirely in Tier 3.
I've figured out where the error is, but as most on here would appreciate, I'm an obsessive.
What about people who get that notification and think "Oh! They'd said we were in Tier 3 before. Must be getting better" and leave it at that.
Communication, clear, crisp, correct, consistent communication is absolutely vital. Getting this type of info right is entry-level stuff.
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Same for us , Neighbouring DN postcodes in another borough have increased level. But to further prove your point a lady posted on towns Facebook page about 9 am that she had woken to see we are now in highest tier , so people should take extra precautions , things are just not getting across clearly
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In the Sunday Times today.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/software-bungle-meant-nhs-covid-app-failed-to-warn-users-to-self-isolate-6tzstqnr9
Software bungle meant NHS Covid app failed to warn users to self-isolate
Tom Calver and Gabriel Pogrund
Sunday November 01 2020, 12.01am GMT, The Sunday Times
The contact-tracing app has suffered problems since its launch
The “world-beating” NHS Covid app, downloaded by 19 million people, has systematically failed to send alerts telling people to self-isolate after they came into contact with infected people.
Thousands were not contacted by the Test and Trace app, developed under Baroness (Dido) Harding, because it was set at the wrong sensitivity, the government has admitted.
For a month, the Department of Health and Social Care failed to use software developed to make the app work properly. Users whose “risk score” should have triggered an alert were not contacted. As a result, a government source said, “shockingly low” numbers of users had been sent warnings since the app was released on September 24.
Dido Harding heads the NHS test and trace service
The source added that people who owned Android devices were among the worst hit. The mobile operating system accounts for more than half of UK phone users and is also disproportionately used by the less well-off, who are most at risk from the virus.
It took officials five weeks to fix the problem and make a voluntary software update available last Thursday.
The latest disclosure may explain why government scientific advisers on Sage recently warned that the £12bn test and trace system, of which the app is an integral part, has had only a “marginal” impact on Covid-19 transmission.
Last week, developers admitted the error in a blog post, which explained that software engineers had created more effective technology ahead of the app’s national launch, meaning it could have been upgraded from the version tested in the Isle of Wight.
“The ‘risk threshold’ was due to be lowered,” wrote Randeep Sidhu and Gaby Appleton, who are leading figures behind the app. However, they continued, “this change did not take place at that time”.
Although 19 million people use the app, officials have refused to say how many people have been told to isolate through it.
In contrast, Scotland and Northern Ireland have made data for their systems available, with the devolved administrations’ apps contacting 10,000 and 16,000 respectively.
Matt Hancock, the health secretary, has previously hailed the app as “an important step forward in our fight against this invisible killer”.
The app has suffered from problems since its launch. An urgent fix was needed two days after the national roll-out when it emerged that 61,000 NHS tests could not be linked to it.
Last month, the app was updated to stop users from receiving “phantom” alerts telling them they had had a “possible Covid-19 exposure” but without any follow-up.
Professor Muttukrishnan Rajarajan, director of the cyber-security institute at City University in London, said that “lowering” the risk benchmark for notifying users should make the app more effective.
Unlike people reached by a contact tracer, those on lower incomes who are told to stay at home by the app do not get a £500 payment.
A health department spokesman said: “The NHS Covid-19 app is the only app in the world using the latest Google/Apple technology to better gauge distance to identify those most at risk, and is deemed ‘excellent’ by international standards.”