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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on March 22, 2024, 09:36:58 am
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I think Nike have disrespected England and English people, they would never have done that to any other Country, especially the likes of Iran
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I'm always riled when I see England in Red White and Blue which I have always assumed is to mimic the Union Flag
But why ?
There are very few National Teams that don't use their (own) Flags colours , the most notable including Italy and New Zealand
Our kit should be Red and White , maybe Red and White Hooped Shirts
It should not include Blue at any time
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Germany's a black and white example.
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Good old Shilts has got it right.
From BBC
Former England goalkeeper Peter Shilton told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he does not agree with the changes, saying "I'm a traditionalist".
Shilton, who played in the 1982, 1986 and 1990 World Cups and is the current record holder for most professional appearances, said the England football team represent the country, "and red white and blue are the colours that we have on our flag".
I say we need a red, white and blue St George's flag.
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Good old Shilts has got it right.
From BBC
Former England goalkeeper Peter Shilton told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he does not agree with the changes, saying "I'm a traditionalist".
Shilton, who played in the 1982, 1986 and 1990 World Cups and is the current record holder for most professional appearances, said the England football team represent the country, "and red white and blue are the colours that we have on our flag".
I say we need a red, white and blue St George's flag.
Well hes got that wrong, there's no blue in the England flag!
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Good old Shilts has got it right.
From BBC
Former England goalkeeper Peter Shilton told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he does not agree with the changes, saying "I'm a traditionalist".
Shilton, who played in the 1982, 1986 and 1990 World Cups and is the current record holder for most professional appearances, said the England football team represent the country, "and red white and blue are the colours that we have on our flag".
I say we need a red, white and blue St George's flag.
Well hes got that wrong, there's no blue in the England flag!
And here comes Hurst he’s got…. some people are in the comments.
They think there’s no blue in there…
Well there is now!
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Good old Shilts has got it right.
From BBC
Former England goalkeeper Peter Shilton told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he does not agree with the changes, saying "I'm a traditionalist".
Shilton, who played in the 1982, 1986 and 1990 World Cups and is the current record holder for most professional appearances, said the England football team represent the country, "and red white and blue are the colours that we have on our flag".
I say we need a red, white and blue St George's flag.
Well hes got that wrong, there's no blue in the England flag!
Probably he wants a United British team.
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Absolutely disgraceful that an organisation has changed the colour of our flag for political points scoring. People are rightly up in arms about it:
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Good old Shilts has got it right.
From BBC
Former England goalkeeper Peter Shilton told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he does not agree with the changes, saying "I'm a traditionalist".
Shilton, who played in the 1982, 1986 and 1990 World Cups and is the current record holder for most professional appearances, said the England football team represent the country, "and red white and blue are the colours that we have on our flag".
I say we need a red, white and blue St George's flag.
Well hes got that wrong, there's no blue in the England flag!
Shit! I hadn't thought of that!
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Good old Shilts has got it right.
From BBC
Former England goalkeeper Peter Shilton told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he does not agree with the changes, saying "I'm a traditionalist".
Shilton, who played in the 1982, 1986 and 1990 World Cups and is the current record holder for most professional appearances, said the England football team represent the country, "and red white and blue are the colours that we have on our flag".
I say we need a red, white and blue St George's flag.
Well hes got that wrong, there's no blue in the England flag!
Probably he wants a United British team.
Yeah, that'll be it.
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The blue in the traditional England kit is from the colour of the 3 Lions in the FA badge. Nowt to do with any flag.
I thought that was well known.?
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The blue in the traditional England kit is from the colour of the 3 Lions in the FA badge. Nowt to do with any flag.
I thought that was well known.?
Actually the blue dates back to the first ever international against Scotland. Back in the mid nineteenth century sports kit was only really available in blue, black or white. Scotland chose blue and white (probably because of the saltire being blue) so England went with white and blue and the tradition stuck. In the early days though, England would sometimes wear white and black apparently.
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What do businesses crave more than anything, money and publicity,
Shirt costs, £125!
All this FREE publicity will be like manna from heaven for NIKE.
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Who gives a monkeys.......seriously
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Don't forget the Netherlands. Red, white, and blue flag; orange strip.
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Italy red, white and green flag, azzure blue kit.
Japan white and red flag, navy blue home shirt.
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As long as people are prepared to pay £125 for a football shirt manufacturers & The FA will take the piss out of you.
The next world cup kit could well have a hologram of Ronald Mcdonald sewn into the fabric & have Sky Casino emblazoned across the front, but they'll buy it & so it goes on.....
An altered flag is the least of your worries.
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125? Is that how much it is?
Fudge me. Why are people not outraged about this?
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This flag shit is so dramatic. Numerous examples online of when we've had different shades of flags, I guess we've just become more intolerant as a nation, a nation of Karen's.
The price is an outrage though.
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Just don’t buy the shirt. Stop feeding these companies that don’t care about anything a part from lining their pockets.
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125? Is that how much it is?
Fudge me. Why are people not outraged about this?
That's for the version the players wear, there's a "stadium" version, at a mere eighty odd quid.
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Still don’t buy it. But there are to many that will and continue to feed the companies that do it for themselves and don’t care about tradition etc
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Italy red, white and green flag, azzure blue kit.
Japan white and red flag, navy blue home shirt.
Kit colour is one thing, messing around with a flag is another..
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The normal replica shirt is £85. Still too much but not £125.
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I'd say it's all total bullshit designed to drum up interest for a shirt that costs £125. I'll repeat, £125 for a t-shirt!
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I'd say it's all total bullshit designed to drum up interest for a shirt that costs £125. I'll repeat, £125 for a t-shirt!
Shocking price, these are made in 3rd world countries for no less than £10 each, and the makers get about £3 a day
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Who gives a monkeys.......seriously
Exactly. Much ado about nothing.
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Don’t have a clue how anyone can be arsed to care. The one and only issue with the shirt is how much it would cost a family to deck themselves out with it
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As we all know St George wasn't English
The 3 lions are the symbols of the Plantagenet home base in France, of Anjou
NIKE is an American Co
The shirt was probably made in France
Is there anything for the English to really get upset about? :-))
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Myself & Im sure many others are unhappy about this because an overseas company has messed about with the St George's cross and the changes have been approved by some woke, virtue signalling individuals in the FA without any interaction/consultation with those most likely to buy it.
Now I fully understand the respone "Well dont buy it then". However in this case the shirt is a very high profile item and the St George's cross is a national symbol that unites those that live in England (& dont give me "but its been hijacked by the far right" that is total BS!), irrespective of a persons race, colour, religion, gender, sexual preferences etc. and in my opinion should be given protected status & shouldnt be allowed to be altered in any way without the full consent of the population of England.
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Myself & Im sure many others are unhappy about this because an overseas company has messed about with the St George's cross and the changes have been approved by some woke, virtue signalling individuals in the FA without any interaction/consultation with those most likely to buy it.
Now I fully understand the respone "Well dont buy it then". However in this case the shirt is a very high profile item and the St George's cross is a national symbol that unites those that live in England (& dont give me "but its been hijacked by the far right" that is total BS!), irrespective of a persons race, colour, religion, gender, sexual preferences etc. and in my opinion should be given protected status & shouldnt be allowed to be altered in any way without the full consent of the population of England.
Demanding a referendum every time there's a potential change in kit design is probably going a bit too far.
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whole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...
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Myself & Im sure many others are unhappy about this because an overseas company has messed about with the St George's cross and the changes have been approved by some woke, virtue signalling individuals in the FA without any interaction/consultation with those most likely to buy it.
Now I fully understand the respone "Well dont buy it then". However in this case the shirt is a very high profile item and the St George's cross is a national symbol that unites those that live in England (& dont give me "but its been hijacked by the far right" that is total BS!), irrespective of a persons race, colour, religion, gender, sexual preferences etc. and in my opinion should be given protected status & shouldnt be allowed to be altered in any way without the full consent of the population of England.
Demanding a referendum every time there's a potential change in kit design is probably going a bit too far.
Or alternatively give the flag protected status as I said, so no- one can interfere with it.
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whole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...
Irrelevant post really. The St George cross is our flag & thats the one being tampered with.
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whole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...
Irrelevant post really. The St George cross is our flag & thats the one being tampered with.
on a superficial level, yes - but for anyone who cares to consider the background of these things before getting disproportionately triggered, the cross of St George is about as english as a vietnamese pot-bellied pig...
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whole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...
Irrelevant post really. The St George cross is our flag & thats the one being tampered with.
on a superficial level, yes - but for anyone who cares to consider the background of these things before getting disproportionately triggered, the cross of St George is about as english as a vietnamese pot-bellied pig...
Using your original argument if someone if foreign born they can’t ever be English? Look at the history of any country and it takes influence from around the world. That’s human history. Or is it just edgy to pick apart England and no one else?
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Every single England flag you see at football games has been tampered with is some way. Usually with a club badge or in some case pretty crass writing. Is this not more disrespectful than just changing the colour?
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whole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...
Irrelevant post really. The St George cross is our flag & thats the one being tampered with.
on a superficial level, yes - but for anyone who cares to consider the background of these things before getting disproportionately triggered, the cross of St George is about as english as a vietnamese pot-bellied pig...
So are Lions, and giving them Purple and Blue stripes wouldn't make them any more English.
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whole thing's a bit of a sham really, given George's stoically non-English heritage and the fact that 'his' flag was nicked of the Genoese and then appended to the king of england's banner in the mid 14th century; as a nation, we'd have been far better off sticking with Edward the Confessor, former king and the original patron saint of the England, who was - at least - born near Oxford. We could then have retained a gold cross on a blue ground as our national flag (with a few martlets strewn about for good measure), and steered clear of George who was already far too busy being venerated in Poland, Portugal, most of southern spain, the balkans and the middle east...
Irrelevant post really. The St George cross is our flag & thats the one being tampered with.
on a superficial level, yes - but for anyone who cares to consider the background of these things before getting disproportionately triggered, the cross of St George is about as english as a vietnamese pot-bellied pig...
Again irrelevant!
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Ridiculous pricing. Plenty of snide sites knocking about where you can get one for about £15. That’ll do me.
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Myself & Im sure many others are unhappy about this because an overseas company has messed about with the St George's cross and the changes have been approved by some woke, virtue signalling individuals in the FA without any interaction/consultation with those most likely to buy it.
Now I fully understand the respone "Well dont buy it then". However in this case the shirt is a very high profile item and the St George's cross is a national symbol that unites those that live in England (& dont give me "but its been hijacked by the far right" that is total BS!), irrespective of a persons race, colour, religion, gender, sexual preferences etc. and in my opinion should be given protected status & shouldnt be allowed to be altered in any way without the full consent of the population of England.
This is what Godwin's Second Law was laid down for.
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The flag has been changed so much by a variety of organisations, I.e. the tories, UKIp. Jack was said then.
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Do adults wear replica kit? Lots of kids do but grown adults? Amazing.
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When I used to go along to England games in the early 80's, you'd very rarely see a St George flag at all! We used to take a Union Jack with 'Doncaster' painted down the middle to matches. As far as I'm aware, nobody gave a toss about the St George. I wonder what's changed over time to make it more prevalent?
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Myself & Im sure many others are unhappy about this because an overseas company has messed about with the St George's cross and the changes have been approved by some woke, virtue signalling individuals in the FA without any interaction/consultation with those most likely to buy it.
Now I fully understand the respone "Well dont buy it then". However in this case the shirt is a very high profile item and the St George's cross is a national symbol that unites those that live in England (& dont give me "but its been hijacked by the far right" that is total BS!), irrespective of a persons race, colour, religion, gender, sexual preferences etc. and in my opinion should be given protected status & shouldnt be allowed to be altered in any way without the full consent of the population of England.
Very dramatic, don't you think? Where was the hoo-ha in 2012 when the Union Jack was all blue for the Olympics?
Think we've got to a point where the media are telling people they should be angry about something and a lot of people do, when really it's not worth worrying about.
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No one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.
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No one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.
There's nowt Woke about the flag fella. The problem is that too many people pin their own insecurities on national identity and patriotism and use any 'slight' (either real or not) as a rationale for the fact that their own lives are shit.
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The question should be why Nike felt the need to change the colour of the cross.
It's not unusual for football fans to object to colour changes just for the sake of it. Ask the majority of fans of Cardiff City who saw their beloved Bluebirds play in Red for a while.
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Do adults wear replica kit? Lots of kids do but grown adults? Amazing.
Plenty of grown ups do mate.
Look around the Eco at home games.
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Do adults wear replica kit? Lots of kids do but grown adults? Amazing.
Plenty of grown ups do mate.
Look around the Eco at home games.
Many adults wear a replica shirt, very few are full kit w@nkers, look around the Eco at home games
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Who mentioned full kit gloster.
A football shirt is replica kit as far as I’m concerned matey.
In fact, I don’t think I have ever seen a grown up fan in full replica kit, shirt, shorts and socks, at a football match.
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Who mentioned full kit gloster.
A football shirt is replica kit as far as I’m concerned matey.
In fact, I don’t think I have ever seen a grown up fan in full replica kit, shirt, shorts and socks, at a football match.
I have.. early seasons in the KM, SW corner. Two brothers in their mid 20s (?) in full kit. Always arrived late and left early for ht drinking.. sometimes missed all the second half.
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Who mentioned full kit gloster.
A football shirt is replica kit as far as I’m concerned matey.
In fact, I don’t think I have ever seen a grown up fan in full replica kit, shirt, shorts and socks, at a football match.
I have.. early seasons in the KM, SW corner. Two brothers in their mid 20s (?) in full kit. Always arrived late and left early for ht drinking.. sometimes missed all the second half.
Are you sure they weren’t on the pitch for the second half.
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Who mentioned full kit gloster.
A football shirt is replica kit as far as I’m concerned matey.
In fact, I don’t think I have ever seen a grown up fan in full replica kit, shirt, shorts and socks, at a football match.
I have.. early seasons in the KM, SW corner. Two brothers in their mid 20s (?) in full kit. Always arrived late and left early for ht drinking.. sometimes missed all the second half.
Are you sure they weren’t on the pitch for the second half.
A lot of our performances in the last couple of seasons have looked drunk...
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No one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.
There's nowt Woke about the flag fella. The problem is that too many people pin their own insecurities on national identity and patriotism and use any 'slight' (either real or not) as a rationale for the fact that their own lives are shit.
I can assure you my life's not shit but I still believe a nations flag should not be tampered with by a global conglomerate and try & then brush it of by saying its just a playful update! They can keep their playful update and shove it where the sun dont shine!!
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Who mentioned full kit gloster.
A football shirt is replica kit as far as I’m concerned matey.
In fact, I don’t think I have ever seen a grown up fan in full replica kit, shirt, shorts and socks, at a football match.
As far as I’m concerned matey a shirt is a shirt and kit is shirt, shorts and socks.
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No one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.
There's nowt Woke about the flag fella. The problem is that too many people pin their own insecurities on national identity and patriotism and use any 'slight' (either real or not) as a rationale for the fact that their own lives are shit.
I can assure you my life's not shit but I still believe a nations flag should not be tampered with by a global conglomerate and try & then brush it of by saying its just a playful update! They can keep their playful update and shove it where the sun dont shine!!
I'm still bemused what you think is "woke" about all this.
And. Serious question. Have you ever in your life voted Tory or UKIP?
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Playful update.
(https://lirp.cdn-website.com/f6e3b8c6/dms3rep/multi/opt/Screenshot+2020-08-27+at+13.17.03-640w.png)
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More woke nonsense. Where will it end? (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0DoAAOSw4-9lLCqc/s-l1600.webp)
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Check out the supporter celebration flags from when the Women won the euros. A blue Lion almost covers the horizontal red line, perhaps someone from Nike had a Specsavers moment and got it slightly wrong and it should be a Lion not a blue line.
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(https://cocktailsandcoffee1.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/great-britain-london-2012-kit.jpg)
They changed the colour, must be woke.
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(https://cocktailsandcoffee1.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/great-britain-london-2012-kit.jpg)
They changed the colour, must be woke.
By, Jessica Ennis looks fit in that pic.
I think I might have a chance there.
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Well by all accounts the away shirt is selling better than the home shirt for the first time ever
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Surely Great Britain is red white and blue. The home nations have different colours. N.I. Green and white, Scotland blue and white and Wales the red dragon on a white background. England the cross of St. George. What is wrong with identifying with those colours if you are from these countries. We can all get behind G.B. and the red white and blue in the athletics, golf, tennis etc.
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No one as yet able to explain what is "woke" about this flag.
There's nowt Woke about the flag fella. The problem is that too many people pin their own insecurities on national identity and patriotism and use any 'slight' (either real or not) as a rationale for the fact that their own lives are shit.
I can assure you my life's not shit but I still believe a nations flag should not be tampered with by a global conglomerate and try & then brush it of by saying its just a playful update! They can keep their playful update and shove it where the sun dont shine!!
I'm still bemused what you think is "woke" about all this.
And. Serious question. Have you ever in your life voted Tory or UKIP?
How does who I vote for have anything to do with this debate? Serious question!
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Playful update.
(https://lirp.cdn-website.com/f6e3b8c6/dms3rep/multi/opt/Screenshot+2020-08-27+at+13.17.03-640w.png)
Thats not the England flag you lemon!
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(https://cocktailsandcoffee1.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/great-britain-london-2012-kit.jpg)
They changed the colour, must be woke.
Not the England flag!
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The real scandal is the price, not really bothered about the flag, always think the St George’s flag looks a bit naff on a garment, makes it look cheap. People have messed with flags on sports shirts for years, it’s a designer’s prerogative, quite funny how upset the GB News viewers get though, you know those patriots who’ve ruined are country.
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Playful update.
(https://lirp.cdn-website.com/f6e3b8c6/dms3rep/multi/opt/Screenshot+2020-08-27+at+13.17.03-640w.png)
Thats not the England flag you lemon!
Don't let go of any of them straws mate, keep them clutched tightly.
Anyone who is annoyed by an adaptation of a flag needs to sort their life out.
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Playful update.
(https://lirp.cdn-website.com/f6e3b8c6/dms3rep/multi/opt/Screenshot+2020-08-27+at+13.17.03-640w.png)
Thats not the England flag you lemon!
I think I'm out of my depth here.
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There’s a difference between using the shapes and colours in a flag as the source for a design (like the GB athletics kit), and the flag itself..
No reason why the England kit couldn’t have the cross shape element in the kit design, in whatever format. But that which is supposed to be the flag itself, should stay as is.
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And we think WE have an issue here...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68708981