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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: MachoMadness on February 14, 2017, 07:03:36 pm
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Didn't think it was possible but it seems Paul Nuttall has managed to drag this bunch of useless t**ts even lower. Lying about losing friends at Hillsborough now. If there's any justice he won't get a single vote in the Stoke byelection. The man is a car crash. I've scraped better off the bottom of my shoe.
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You might enjoy this....
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/watch-nigel-farage-v-james-obrien-live-from-1130-9/
It's cracking!
BobG
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I remember that Bob. It introduced me to JO'B's talent of just forcing people to justify themselves repeatedly - simple but very effective. If only more media folk had the balls to do it.
Of course, now Farage has his own show on LBC...
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Apparently Nuttall is now saying he was at the moon landing. #fakenews
The bloke is a pathological racist liar, unashamed to crassly piggy back on anything he thinks will gain him favour. What an absolutely disgusting man.
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Detest ukip. Always have, always will. :turd: :turd: :turd: :turd: :turd:
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His secretary or worker is now taking all the blame, she made the mistake... But does anybody here believe any politician of any party..People are trying to kill each other because of BREXIT opinions, but it is only because the Pro and Against misled everybody. Why does anything surprise people regarding politics.
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I said to the wife last night that I can't think of any politician of any party at the minute that I would trust.
They should be working to put the country right, not acting like kids at Prime Minister's question time and scoring points.
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Idler, it has never been any different has it?
Whichever party is in power gets all the flack from the other lot and vice versa.
Much attempted points scoring on all sides.
However, it is a job i wouldn't thank you for giving me, a hiding to nothing all round.
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The point is that nobody seems to have the good of the country at heart.
They give the impression that it is all about them.
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The point is that nobody seems to have the good of the country at heart.
They give the impression that it is all about them.
Think you have just about summed up the Personal Spec of pretty much every politician that has ever lived. Politicians are all solely out for personal gain. This is just more apparent and more obvious in the modern age due to media coverage.
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Mr idler has hit the nail bang on its head with his short write up on
ALL politicians no matter what party.
If I lived back in the U.K. would never vote either it be local or general
elections and the downfall of that is who ever gets in and then makes
whatever type of mess while in office I have no room to complain .
Only ever voted once and that was after I left school.during my school time there was no jobs on offer or apprenticeships were rare.
We had careers officers talking to unsafe as school and one single bit of addvice that hit a cord with me was ' to allways look smart should
you go for selection test or a interview'
'Don't turn up in jeans t shirt as a smart dress sense is very important for first impressions > shirt ,slacks. Shoes and tie is a must'
The above was drummed into me in during my last year at school and I still stand by it today.
Then it came to my 1st vote.i knew doncaster was staunch Labour and was very strong in northern towns as consertivee was mainly stronger down south.this is the only politics that I knew the north south divide.
So I cast my 1st vote > > > I look at the state of the Labour Party and you have a poorly dressed Michael foot ,he allways looked like he juts got off a park bench,then you looked at rest of Labour Party and they was a right mix and match of odds and ends on the presentation front.they looked like they all had just got out of bed and picked whatever ever clothes they would wear from a massive box from a second hand shop.
Then I looked at the conservative oarty who were allways very smartly
turned out suits ,shirts ,ties, nice shoes and all Basied on the blue theme.
So I voted for conservatives on the only time I ever voted.
And before any crank tells me that Michael foot was a great politician
who cared for the people and had the right policy's etc etc > > > a better turned out leader and the odd hair brush might have worked wonders
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Michael Foot's 'scruffy' image was probably an attempt to show an affinity with the working classes, and if that was the case all it did really was show what he really thought of them - a bunch of low-class scruffs, but with plenty of potential votes.
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Might just save Labour in the coming by-elections.
Whether he wrote it or not surely he signs off the website?
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Michael Foot's 'scruffy' image was probably an attempt to show an affinity with the working classes, and if that was the case all it did really was show what he really thought of them - a bunch of low-class scruffs, but with plenty of potential votes.
Iam all for the term ' never judge a book by its cover ' but there are just some times that 1st
impressions are still more important even today.
If I had voted for Labour back then I was going against everything that was drummed into me at school back then and been the PM of the country far outweighed any job interview or selection test
I had hopes of getting.
This thought process of mine is a long lost battle today as was in charge of talking on new staff whenever the bar required so.therr be no end of so called want to be bar staff wanting employment over the years > > > and fcuk me there was some right scruffy unkept applications and hardly any suited and shoed that I was hoping for.
Norwegians > all looked like they just got out of bed in their appearance .
British > nog as bad as above but still not upto standard.
Eastern bloc Europeans > all ways seemed to have put a better effort in ,but that would allways bring
other problems with the pub if you ever had someone on the books working the bar from whatever
Easter bloc country.
Had to change the way I took staff on by asking them to come in for 2 or 3 shifts for free so
I could take a close look at operated behind and just as important infront of the bar.
Turned out one of the best barman I took on was a michale foot type from Manchester
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His secretary or worker is now taking all the blame, she made the mistake... But does anybody here believe any politician of any party..People are trying to kill each other because of BREXIT opinions, but it is only because the Pro and Against misled everybody. Why does anything surprise people regarding politics.
Nuttall has a habit of doing that. "I had no idea this quote, which is directly ascribed to me, was directly posted on my website/social media, why would I?"
He is as big a liar as Farage, which takes some doing. Either that or he stumbles through life without knowing basic facts about himself. Neither of which are ideal traits in an MP. It gives the many decent MPs out there a bad name.
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Your first para MM reminds me of the absolutely stonking Twitter put down by J K Rowling of that odious creep Piers Morgan a few days ago.
Cheers
BobG
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The bloke is a pathological racist liar, unashamed to crassly piggy back on anything he thinks will gain him favour. What an absolutely disgusting man.
Not to be confused with that nice, rabid pro EU Tony Blair eh?
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Rabid? I've heard Blair called things over the years but rabid? That looks self serving Yargo. The only rabid poiticians we have at the moment are Farage and Nuttall. Just listen to them speaking . It's not the content - it's the tone, the hectoring hyperbole, the inability to reason. That's rabid. Tony Blair gave reasons. That's rational. You may not agree with his reasons or you may have others that tend the other way, but one thing Tony Blair is not is rabid.
I'm afraid your comment says more about you than it does about Tony Blair.
Cheers :0
BobG
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People hate Farage because he says it as it is.
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UKIP won't win the by election because it's UKIP v Labour, greens and lib dems. In this scenario all the lib dem and greens will not vote for their party thru want to win they'll vote for the party that stops UKIP.
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People hate Farage because he says it as it is.
Except he doesn't, he makes massive generalisations and exaggerations to play on people's fears and prejudices and backtracks and covers his arse when he gets pulled up.
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People hate Farage because he says it as it is.
So Farage lying about Nuttall being deliberately kept out of Hillsborough organisations for political reasons is 'saying it as it is'?
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Farage lying about £350M a week is "telling it as it is"?
BobG
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Farage lying about £350M a week is "telling it as it is"?
BobG
Boris Johnson and Gove drove that bus around.
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Boris and Gove hasn't said that Nuttall has been deliberately kept out of Hillsborough organisations for political reasons, when those organisations say Nuttall has never even spoken to them let alone wanted to join. Farage has. I ask again, is that 'saying it as it is'?
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/hillsborough-groups-react-with-anger-and-upset-to-ukips-latest-accusations/113612
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Farage lying about £350M a week is "telling it as it is"?
BobG
Boris Johnson and Gove drove that bus around.
He effectively led the campaign. If he knew it was a lie - and it's since emerged that he did - then what does it say about him?
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I can answer that one Red!! He's a liar. That's it. A LIAR.
Cheers
BobG
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Jeez, it seems 'lying Kitson' is the default setting of UKIP. This one's a corker, but you have to scroll down a bit before they get rumbled!
https://mobile.twitter.com/UKIP/status/832906295183339521
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(http://imgc-cn.artprintimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/97/9798/ZZII500Z/posters/paul-noth-he-tells-it-like-it-is-new-yorker-cartoon.jpg)
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Farage lying about £350M a week is "telling it as it is"?
BobG
To be fair to Farage he was not comfortable with that claim. And although he fought on the Leave side the UKIP-backed campaign was not the official one.
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Fair's fair - Farage was too busy backing this.
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*ui0VaWaT0XBIN8YDYNqpmQ.jpeg)
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Fair's fair - Farage was too busy backing this.
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*ui0VaWaT0XBIN8YDYNqpmQ.jpeg)
This didn't get anywhere near the level of attention it deserved.
Disgusting message which appears to be lifted directly from a Nazi propaganda production.
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I remember the Torie's Labour isn't working poster.
That wasn't very truthful or clever either.
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Isn't the use of Godwin's law much maligned on this forum?
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Isn't the use of Godwin's law much maligned on this forum?
I don't think Godwin's law is completely relevant when the comparisons between the 'Breaking Point' poster and this Nazi propaganda footage are clear.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClETtGHWAAAe0la.jpg)
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But that is EXACTLY what Godwin's law is, and it's disliked by the lefties on here.
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When something looks, walks and quacks like a duck, we're generally happy to call it what it is. In the case of the above image, it was almost as grim as the foulness that Farage spouts on a weekly basis. Which in turn is not quite as grim as the fact that we walk amongst far too many people who believe everything that this man says.
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But that is EXACTLY what Godwin's law is, and it's disliked by the lefties on here.
I interpret Godwin's Law to be a criticism of online discussions whereby any topic, regardless of its relevance to Nazi Germany, eventually results in comparisons to Hitler. In this case we are discussing a poster that very strongly imitates Nazi propaganda therefore comparison to Nazi Germany is unavoidable. You wouldn't ordinarily cite Godwin's Law during a discussion of Nazi Germany so I do not see its relevance here either.
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But that is EXACTLY what Godwin's law is, and it's disliked by the lefties on here.
No, Godwin's law is extending the theme of what somebody is saying and comparing it to the Nazis. This example isn't speculating about how the Nazis might have framed that image; it's showing concrete proof that the two are exactly the bloody same!
EDIT: :that:
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But it's only the same if you're inclined to think it is! Some people think Brexiters are like Nazis, some don't.
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I don't think that I have ever heard of Brexiters being referred to in such a way. However, the blaming of 'others', the growing attacks on foreigners and the LGBT community, wanting to put British (and sometimes English) people first, and the blaming of immigrants for all of our ills has more than a whiff of the fuel that drove Nazism.
Given that UKIP is powered by tapping into that, and given that Tory MPs are quietly mumbling that nothing much will in terms of immigration for many, many years, I really do worry about the potential fury that will be whipped up when those people who support UKIP and Brexit realise that they have been lied to.
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I doubt they'll ever realise. Ignorance is bliss.
If, somehow, they do realise, then they'll just blame someone else.
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And then leaving the EU will have been utterly pointless.
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Well, it has rather conveniently handed power to the Tories for nearly another decade. So that worked well for them. Seriously, though, you fight a campaign on the evils of immigrants and immigration and then nothing changes... And things continue to get worse. That's a rum recipe for some bad stuff in the future.
You can't give people hope and then continue to roger them... You just can't. I'm fearful, I really am.
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Well, it has rather conveniently handed power to the Tories for nearly another decade. So that worked well for them. Seriously, though, you fight a campaign on the evils of immigrants and immigration and then nothing changes... And things continue to get worse. That's a rum recipe for some bad stuff in the future.
You can't give people hope and then continue to roger them... You just can't. I'm fearful, I really am.
You just keep giving them 'alternative facts', they'll lap it up without a squeak and carry on disbelieving the real truth as the propaganda of some nebulous political elite...
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Lipsy it also depends on where you live.
A person in a poor inner city with no prospect of a job will look at it differently to a person living in the suburbs with a nice house, decent job and pension.
I have four grandchildren still at school.
Two at an under performing school in Bradford and two that live in the Yorkshire Dales and go to Bradfod Grammar.
Their futures are probably as far apart as could be imagined. They will therefor have different opinions of the country.
Two live in an area where there are gangs of Slovak kids arguing with Pakistani, Uzbeki and god knows how many other nationalities.
The other two travel thirty miles into school every day and then go back to a village that seems like travelling back to the 60s.
The two in Bradford have a far different outlook to the two in the country.
The solution is somewhere in the middle but there are some scary places just now in our country.
The only way to a decent future is to pull together, a good boss needs good workers and vice versa.
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We have an unelected PM who backed Remain now steering us towards a hard Brexit. We have a Foreign Secretary who warned us that Turkey was going to join the EU (and that its population would flood our country) who popped off to Turkey to tell them he'd do anything he could to get 'em in the EU. And now we have a Brexit Secretary telling EU countries that we'll need skilled and unskilled labour from EU countries for many years - you couldn't make this up. It's beyond parody.
The lack of grown-up conversation about immigration is what got us in this mess (and our own government's unwillingness to deal with it), and it's why UKIP exists.
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Bloody immigrants, coming over here and taking our discussions.
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:that:
One of my favourite comedy routines ever. Everyone should watch it. Truly wonderful.
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"The Beaker people, coming over here and bringing their drinking vessels. What's wrong with using your hands, or lapping it up like a cat?"
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We have an unelected PM who backed Remain now steering us towards a hard Brexit. We have a Foreign Secretary who warned us that Turkey was going to join the EU (and that its population would flood our country) who popped off to Turkey to tell them he'd do anything he could to get 'em in the EU. And now we have a Brexit Secretary telling EU countries that we'll need skilled and unskilled labour from EU countries for many years - you couldn't make this up. It's beyond parody.
The lack of grown-up conversation about immigration is what got us in this mess (and our own government's unwillingness to deal with it), and it's why UKIP exists.
I was always dubious of her enthusiasm for backing remain.
Was she like Boris and deciding which side of the fence suited her best before ending up in a position where she is in charge of following her preferred option.
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Idler - I get it. Well, as much as a man raised in Askern who now lives an okay(ish) life in Bournemouth can "get it". I have nippers of my own and I'm scared witless about their education/future. I'm genuinely fretful of the fact that the vast inequalities in this country are being used as a political force. UKIP's done it, Brexit did it too... To me, UKIP is your typical hard-right movement that gets the attention of the few but never really gains momentum* (as a country, the hardest of right-wing movements have never really caught on), but when I look at Brexit stuff I see the promises made (explicitly and implicitly) and they were either nonsense or are already falling by the wayside. People's hopes and expectations are being dashed, and that cannot be good for this country. I genuinely believe we need a proper leader for this country. A statesman (statesperson?) who can get through all of the challenges that befall us and put what is best for all of us first.**
*I'm saying this before the result of the byelections, mind. I'll weep if Nuttall gets in.
** Not Farage. He's not a statesman, and there's only one thing he's capable of putting first: himself.
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We have an unelected PM who backed Remain now steering us towards a hard Brexit. We have a Foreign Secretary who warned us that Turkey was going to join the EU (and that its population would flood our country) who popped off to Turkey to tell them he'd do anything he could to get 'em in the EU. And now we have a Brexit Secretary telling EU countries that we'll need skilled and unskilled labour from EU countries for many years - you couldn't make this up. It's beyond parody.
The lack of grown-up conversation about immigration is what got us in this mess (and our own government's unwillingness to deal with it), and it's why UKIP exists.
I was always dubious of her enthusiasm for backing remain.
Was she like Boris and deciding which side of the fence suited her best before ending up in a position where she is in charge of following her preferred option.
She certainly played the long game, that's for sure. But she knew full well that being in the EU was better for business - and said so behind closed doors (that weren't so closed) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit)
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Bad result for UKIP really last night, but not surprising, it was a poor campaign for them.
Not a disaster for Labour when you look at the numbers but losing a seat to government now is pretty terrible.
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Bad result for UKIP really last night, but not surprising, it was a poor campaign for them.
Not a disaster for Labour when you look at the numbers but losing a seat to government now is pretty terrible.
Terrible hardly does it credit. There's no way an incumbent party should be winning a seat off the opposition at this stage of a Parliament.
And in Copeland Labour campaigned hard on the NHS, where even some Tories think the Government is doing poorly.
Stoke Central was hardly better. Ok, Labour saw off UKIP but Labour's share of the vote went down and the Tory share went up.
No doubt the Corbyn Fan Club will rally round their man though. Less a political party, more a personality cult.
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I look forward to the day that Nuttall moves into the address in Stoke he 'erroneously' put on his election application in advance of living in, but insisted throughout the campaign that he is moving to.
But I'm not going to hold my breath!
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I shouldn't hold your breath. Between crawling back under the rock he came from and saving Gotham city, Nuttall's got a lot on his plate.
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Your first para MM reminds me of the absolutely stonking Twitter put down by J K Rowling of that odious creep Piers Morgan a few days ago.
Cheers
BobG
He is a horrible little man I totally agree Bob.
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I can't believe how PM can earn a living.
Mind you he can't as a journalist.
The Sun probably invented Fake News, closely followed by The Sunday Sport.
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He's on my list of the first ten to be put up against a wall when I assume the mantle of Lord of the Universe.
Cheers
BobG
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But that is EXACTLY what Godwin's law is, and it's disliked by the lefties on here.
No, Godwin's law is extending the theme of what somebody is saying and comparing it to the Nazis. This example isn't speculating about how the Nazis might have framed that image; it's showing concrete proof that the two are exactly the bloody same!
EDIT: :that:
Can someone google maps a link to exactly where in Europe,or Asia the gas chambers are?
Anyway you do know that the by-election candidate in Stoke distanced himself from Corbyn's stance of no limits to uncontrolled mass immigration?Maybe he didn't agree with limits but thought he should say that to get elected?No-one want call him a liar then? Well calling for limits to immigration is racist,i know this cos the late Billy Stubbs said so! Labour's candidate also sent an amazing amount of sexist messages on twitter,there we have it Labour campaigned for an open racist and sexist and called that victory,hate to see what a defeat looks like
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I believe the comprison was between the images, not the actions of the two parties. But if you really wanted to pursue a line about gas chambers, then knowledge of their existence was shrowded in secrecy and as such not many people would have been able to point to them on a map - certainly not those whiling away the hours frequenting a football forum on a Thursday morning.
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Ere Syme,what login name did you have before?
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But that is EXACTLY what Godwin's law is, and it's disliked by the lefties on here.
No, Godwin's law is extending the theme of what somebody is saying and comparing it to the Nazis. This example isn't speculating about how the Nazis might have framed that image; it's showing concrete proof that the two are exactly the bloody same!
EDIT: :that:
Can someone google maps a link to exactly where in Europe,or Asia the gas chambers are?
Does something have to be on Google to have once existed? Where is Doncaster Plant Works? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Belle Vue? Did they never exist? Did no British soldier die in a Japanese POW camp because they are not there any more?
I have been to the site of the former gas chamber at Auschwitz-Birkenau and seen the site where the gas chambers formerly stood before they were destroyed by the Germans to cover-up their horrendous crimes. I have seen the still photos and videos that Allied and Russian troops took both there and at other camps. I suggest you do too you.
Anyway you do know that the by-election candidate in Stoke distanced himself from Corbyn's stance of no limits to uncontrolled mass immigration?Maybe he didn't agree with limits but thought he should say that to get elected?No-one want call him a liar then? Well calling for limits to immigration is racist,i know this cos the late Billy Stubbs said so! Labour's candidate also sent an amazing amount of sexist messages on twitter,there we have it Labour campaigned for an open racist and sexist and called that victory,hate to see what a defeat looks like
So are you saying BST was right in whatever he posted on here? That must make you wrong quite a lot then because he corrected most our your 'facts'.
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But that is EXACTLY what Godwin's law is, and it's disliked by the lefties on here.
No, Godwin's law is extending the theme of what somebody is saying and comparing it to the Nazis. This example isn't speculating about how the Nazis might have framed that image; it's showing concrete proof that the two are exactly the bloody same!
EDIT: :that:
Can someone google maps a link to exactly where in Europe,or Asia the gas chambers are?
Does something have to be on Google to have once existed? Where is Doncaster Plant Works? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Belle Vue? Did they never exist? Did no British soldier die in a Japanese POW camp because they are not there any more?
I have been to the site of the former gas chamber at Auschwitz-Birkenau and seen the site where the gas chambers formerly stood before they were destroyed by the Germans to cover-up their horrendous crimes. I have seen the still photos and videos that Allied and Russian troops took both there and at other camps. I suggest you do too you.
Anyway you do know that the by-election candidate in Stoke distanced himself from Corbyn's stance of no limits to uncontrolled mass immigration?Maybe he didn't agree with limits but thought he should say that to get elected?No-one want call him a liar then? Well calling for limits to immigration is racist,i know this cos the late Billy Stubbs said so! Labour's candidate also sent an amazing amount of sexist messages on twitter,there we have it Labour campaigned for an open racist and sexist and called that victory,hate to see what a defeat looks like
So are you saying BST was right in whatever he posted on here? That must make you wrong quite a lot then because he corrected most our your 'facts'.
Erm no i'm saying the late Billy Stubbs was wrong,but at least he has had the decency to stop posting his nonsense,you know top half Billy,he who advised everyone to lump on Forest because Billy's workings out predicted the forthcoming win ratio for SOD,not long after this SOD got sacked.Billy who said even having a referendum(not the eventual leaving some years down the line) would bring untold financial,economic,political and military problems for Britain,Billy who said the Jay report didn't point out at cover ups of child sexual exploitation by political authorities in Rotherham(his beloved Labour).Mind you Billy would have seen the importance of Labour campaigning for the sexist racist in Stoke,even if it meant concentrating there and not Cumbria
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Oh please.. DO grow up Yargo. That's just sooo juvenile.
Cheers
BobG