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Well, there's another week of £350m that Boris owes us.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42194382
David Davis has reportedly threatened to quit if Damian Green is sacked for having porn on his work computer. What a bizarre hill to die on. Strikes me that Davis is looking for any way to get out of Dodge while saving face. Good luck with that Dave.
Well now there’s been a meeting in Dublin today between Leo Varadkar (Irish PM) and Donald Tusk (EU Brusselsj that has really put a spanner in the works. If Ireland is not happy with the Ireland border arrangements offered by UK as part of the Brexit process, Ireland can veto the negotiations with the full support of the EU. This is a major dilemma for the British because Dublin does not want a return of the hard border between the jurisdictions that was removed following the Good Friday Agreement but it’s hard to see NI leaving the customs union with the rest of the UK without proper border controls in place. This could undo the entire process and lead to an abandonment of the Brexit.
I confess I haven’t read all the many posts on this thread, but one simple question screams out at me.If those who voted to leave the EU had been told we would face a bill of £50 Billion for leaving, would this have affected their decision?Surely it would have? I don’t recall the prospect of an exit bill of this magnitude ever being part of the discussions during the referendum.
You are deluding yourself chaps. A good percentage of Brexiteers were and still are ideological obsessives with little or no interest in economic well being of the country. A survey last year found that 61% of people who voted leave thought having a significantly worse economy was a price worth paying for Brexit.https://www.newstatesman.com/2017/08/yougov-research-brexit-proves-baby-boomers-hate-their-own-children
Quote from: wilts rover on December 02, 2017, 08:51:25 amYou are deluding yourself chaps. A good percentage of Brexiteers were and still are ideological obsessives with little or no interest in economic well being of the country. A survey last year found that 61% of people who voted leave thought having a significantly worse economy was a price worth paying for Brexit.https://www.newstatesman.com/2017/08/yougov-research-brexit-proves-baby-boomers-hate-their-own-childrenLike BST , I too cannot see how you have made a reasonable argument for leaving from what you have presented to us as statistical evidence for Brexiting. ?
Quote from: hoolahoop on December 02, 2017, 02:50:26 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 02, 2017, 08:51:25 amYou are deluding yourself chaps. A good percentage of Brexiteers were and still are ideological obsessives with little or no interest in economic well being of the country. A survey last year found that 61% of people who voted leave thought having a significantly worse economy was a price worth paying for Brexit.https://www.newstatesman.com/2017/08/yougov-research-brexit-proves-baby-boomers-hate-their-own-childrenLike BST , I too cannot see how you have made a reasonable argument for leaving from what you have presented to us as statistical evidence for Brexiting. ? Sorry Hoola & BST, why do you think my post is a reasoned argument for leaving? It's a link to a UGov survey about people's attitudes on Brexit and has no argument from me about leaving in it whatsoever - reasoned or otherwise.This is the actual poll, again apologies it was August 2017 not last year. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/08/01/britain-nation-brexit-extremists/People are saying because of the economic forecasts that those who voted leave are changing their mind or regretting the situation. A more recent UGov poll does show that, but its very small, most people who voted leave would still vote leave however catastrophic the economic consequences. Perhaps they are bluffing or deluding themselves - or a looking forward to a low regulated, tax haven, I don't know, but thats what the polls show.https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/10/27/there-has-been-shift-against-brexit-public-still-t/
Quote from: wilts rover on December 03, 2017, 08:52:59 amQuote from: hoolahoop on December 02, 2017, 02:50:26 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 02, 2017, 08:51:25 amYou are deluding yourself chaps. A good percentage of Brexiteers were and still are ideological obsessives with little or no interest in economic well being of the country. A survey last year found that 61% of people who voted leave thought having a significantly worse economy was a price worth paying for Brexit.https://www.newstatesman.com/2017/08/yougov-research-brexit-proves-baby-boomers-hate-their-own-childrenLike BST , I too cannot see how you have made a reasonable argument for leaving from what you have presented to us as statistical evidence for Brexiting. ? Sorry Hoola & BST, why do you think my post is a reasoned argument for leaving? It's a link to a UGov survey about people's attitudes on Brexit and has no argument from me about leaving in it whatsoever - reasoned or otherwise.This is the actual poll, again apologies it was August 2017 not last year. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/08/01/britain-nation-brexit-extremists/People are saying because of the economic forecasts that those who voted leave are changing their mind or regretting the situation. A more recent UGov poll does show that, but its very small, most people who voted leave would still vote leave however catastrophic the economic consequences. Perhaps they are bluffing or deluding themselves - or a looking forward to a low regulated, tax haven, I don't know, but thats what the polls show.https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/10/27/there-has-been-shift-against-brexit-public-still-t/Still can't see how you haven't accounted for the 39% of Leavers who feel the price is not worth paying for the economic collapse or at best slow decline. Do you seriously think that we would still leave the EU ?
Quote from: hoolahoop on December 03, 2017, 03:29:51 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 03, 2017, 08:52:59 amQuote from: hoolahoop on December 02, 2017, 02:50:26 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 02, 2017, 08:51:25 amYou are deluding yourself chaps. A good percentage of Brexiteers were and still are ideological obsessives with little or no interest in economic well being of the country. A survey last year found that 61% of people who voted leave thought having a significantly worse economy was a price worth paying for Brexit.https://www.newstatesman.com/2017/08/yougov-research-brexit-proves-baby-boomers-hate-their-own-childrenLike BST , I too cannot see how you have made a reasonable argument for leaving from what you have presented to us as statistical evidence for Brexiting. ? Sorry Hoola & BST, why do you think my post is a reasoned argument for leaving? It's a link to a UGov survey about people's attitudes on Brexit and has no argument from me about leaving in it whatsoever - reasoned or otherwise.This is the actual poll, again apologies it was August 2017 not last year. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/08/01/britain-nation-brexit-extremists/People are saying because of the economic forecasts that those who voted leave are changing their mind or regretting the situation. A more recent UGov poll does show that, but its very small, most people who voted leave would still vote leave however catastrophic the economic consequences. Perhaps they are bluffing or deluding themselves - or a looking forward to a low regulated, tax haven, I don't know, but thats what the polls show.https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/10/27/there-has-been-shift-against-brexit-public-still-t/Still can't see how you haven't accounted for the 39% of Leavers who feel the price is not worth paying for the economic collapse or at best slow decline. Do you seriously think that we would still leave the EU ?When have I ever said we should leave the EU?
TRBThere ISN’T a solution to the Irish Border issue. That’s the point. Davies is dissembling by saying that we need to know what the trade deal looks like before we can know how to deal with the Irish border. That’s Grade A bullshit, hiding the fact that no-one on the British side has a clue what to do. Here’s the problem. May has announced (her own decision - nothing in the Referendum or in any Parliamentary vote forced her) that we will leave both the Currency Union and the Single Market. Since Ireland will stay in both, that means that there has to be customs and trade borders between the UK and Ireland. But that will cause chaos in movement of goods and people between NI and Rep Ire, which now have strongly integrated economies. So, you could make a special case of NI. Let it effectively stay inside the CU and SM. Then it could trade freely with Rep Ire. And the Customs and trade border would be between the island of Ireland and the island of Great Britain. But the DUP won’t wear that because it hints at a slippery slope towards a United Ireland. And the DUP is shoring up this apology of a Govt. Conclusion? The moment May announced we were leaving the CU and SM, she burned any chance of sorting out the Irish border question. Nothing that could possibly emerge from trade negotiations with the EU can alter the facts above. An utter, stupid, avoidable mistake made by a Prime Minister who totally misunderstood how weak her position was.
2) Face down the DUP and go for the united Irish market solution. And that is a direct line to para-military action from the Unionists returning with a vengeance.