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I imagine you'll find most of the people you're referring to lie between 'austerity' as you put it and chucking money at it and hoping for the best.And in any case. It's this over simplification of the economic argument that's basically let the government off scot-free with that policy for almost a decade.
Talking of comparisons with the off-topic political attitudes and those of the football sections of the forum, the very same people who agree with the austerity strategy of our football club owners are dead against our country applying the same policy!
Quote from: RedJ on September 13, 2018, 03:37:19 pmI imagine you'll find most of the people you're referring to lie between 'austerity' as you put it and chucking money at it and hoping for the best.And in any case. It's this over simplification of the economic argument that's basically let the government off scot-free with that policy for almost a decade.You imagine wrong.
SprotyFor a man who claims to be interested in history, you've got very little understanding of history. Putin is doing what every leader of Russia has done since Peter the Great. Rattle the sabre at the West. Threaten to unleash the hordes. Bully and bluster and see who will be prepared to call your bluff. None of them has ever seen what Russia could be if it properly partnered with the West. They prefer to paint the West as the devil that can be used to keep the serfs in line. Unfortunately, they have always been aided in that by various Useful Idiots in the West.
How does this fit in with you ridiculous and frankly childish opinion on the safety of our neighbours ? https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-france-commit-to-new-defence-cooperation&ved=2ahUKEwj0w6Si4MDdAhWqC8AKHQTHCS0QFjADegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1wwoEmYDXeCeLmTuArXhqDThere are others and seeing as though we are still a part of the European continent rather than North America - THEIR safety is OURS . Do you think we patrol the whole of the North Sea as well as the Channel without help from our European allies ? We all ensure each others safety ! You watch too many WW11 films with a heavy British slant to them
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 17, 2018, 12:54:14 amSprotyFor a man who claims to be interested in history, you've got very little understanding of history. Putin is doing what every leader of Russia has done since Peter the Great. Rattle the sabre at the West. Threaten to unleash the hordes. Bully and bluster and see who will be prepared to call your bluff. None of them has ever seen what Russia could be if it properly partnered with the West. They prefer to paint the West as the devil that can be used to keep the serfs in line. Unfortunately, they have always been aided in that by various Useful Idiots in the West. You really are out of your depth now, give me some examples of when Peter the great threatened the West, Empress Elizabeth threatened the West,Catherine the great threatened the West.show me some Historical examples of when any Tsar of Russia since Peter the great threatened the West?
Quote from: Sprotyrover on September 17, 2018, 10:11:05 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 17, 2018, 12:54:14 amSprotyFor a man who claims to be interested in history, you've got very little understanding of history. Putin is doing what every leader of Russia has done since Peter the Great. Rattle the sabre at the West. Threaten to unleash the hordes. Bully and bluster and see who will be prepared to call your bluff. None of them has ever seen what Russia could be if it properly partnered with the West. They prefer to paint the West as the devil that can be used to keep the serfs in line. Unfortunately, they have always been aided in that by various Useful Idiots in the West. You really are out of your depth now, give me some examples of when Peter the great threatened the West, Empress Elizabeth threatened the West,Catherine the great threatened the West.show me some Historical examples of when any Tsar of Russia since Peter the great threatened the West?SprotyBy The West, I meant countries to the west of Russia. Russia has invaded and/or threatened countries to its west on a regular basis for centuries. Putin is the latest in a long line of Tsars with the mindset that the Russia/Europe relationship is a zero sum game. If someone else isn't losing, you can't be winning. Of course we used to be like that in Western Europe too. The Treaty of Rome --> EU process was always primarily about getting us out of that historical mindset and realising that by working together we all rise. I reInteresting that support for Putin seems to go hand in hand with disdain for the EU these days. Almost as if people are pining for the days when generations marched off to war in Europe on a regular basis.
Evidence of what?Let me get this right Sproty. You're wanting me to give you evidence of Russia having invaded or threatened countries to its West over the past 300 years?Give me some examples of when any Tsar of Russia since Peter the GreatInvaded a Sovereign European state without prior provocation.
Quote from: hoolahoop on September 17, 2018, 01:17:16 amHow does this fit in with you ridiculous and frankly childish opinion on the safety of our neighbours ? https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-france-commit-to-new-defence-cooperation&ved=2ahUKEwj0w6Si4MDdAhWqC8AKHQTHCS0QFjADegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1wwoEmYDXeCeLmTuArXhqDThere are others and seeing as though we are still a part of the European continent rather than North America - THEIR safety is OURS . Do you think we patrol the whole of the North Sea as well as the Channel without help from our European allies ? We all ensure each others safety ! You watch too many WW11 films with a heavy British slant to them 3 chinooks and 100 troops doesn't make the entente Cordiale! As for Estonia we signal our intention to pull out and leave em to it!
Quote from: Sprotyrover on September 17, 2018, 10:16:40 amQuote from: hoolahoop on September 17, 2018, 01:17:16 amHow does this fit in with you ridiculous and frankly childish opinion on the safety of our neighbours ? https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-france-commit-to-new-defence-cooperation&ved=2ahUKEwj0w6Si4MDdAhWqC8AKHQTHCS0QFjADegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1wwoEmYDXeCeLmTuArXhqDThere are others and seeing as though we are still a part of the European continent rather than North America - THEIR safety is OURS . Do you think we patrol the whole of the North Sea as well as the Channel without help from our European allies ? We all ensure each others safety ! You watch too many WW11 films with a heavy British slant to them 3 chinooks and 100 troops doesn't make the entente Cordiale! As for Estonia we signal our intention to pull out and leave em to it!You know we're still part of NATO x
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on September 18, 2018, 07:45:12 amQuote from: Sprotyrover on September 17, 2018, 10:16:40 amQuote from: hoolahoop on September 17, 2018, 01:17:16 amHow does this fit in with you ridiculous and frankly childish opinion on the safety of our neighbours ? https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-france-commit-to-new-defence-cooperation&ved=2ahUKEwj0w6Si4MDdAhWqC8AKHQTHCS0QFjADegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1wwoEmYDXeCeLmTuArXhqDThere are others and seeing as though we are still a part of the European continent rather than North America - THEIR safety is OURS . Do you think we patrol the whole of the North Sea as well as the Channel without help from our European allies ? We all ensure each others safety ! You watch too many WW11 films with a heavy British slant to them 3 chinooks and 100 troops doesn't make the entente Cordiale! As for Estonia we signal our intention to pull out and leave em to it!You know we're still part of NATO xSproty has a weird vision of what it means to leave the EU . Fact is we work very closely and on occasions inter- changeable with them in many flash points/ disasters around the globe.
Quote from: Sprotyrover on September 17, 2018, 10:16:40 amQuote from: hoolahoop on September 17, 2018, 01:17:16 amHow does this fit in with you ridiculous and frankly childish opinion on the safety of our neighbours ? https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-france-commit-to-new-defence-cooperation&ved=2ahUKEwj0w6Si4MDdAhWqC8AKHQTHCS0QFjADegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1wwoEmYDXeCeLmTuArXhqDThere are others and seeing as though we are still a part of the European continent rather than North America - THEIR safety is OURS . Do you think we patrol the whole of the North Sea as well as the Channel without help from our European allies ? We all ensure each others safety ! You watch too many WW11 films with a heavy British slant to them 3 chinooks and 100 troops doesn't make the entente Cordiale! As for Estonia we signal our intention to pull out and leave em to it!Don't be daft are you not aware of these agreements :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_House_TreatiesWe have both been looking to sign a far- reaching joint agreement of this type for decades - it makes sense and involves far more than 100 troops and 3 Chinooks ! Incidentally Peter the Great' s finest military achievements were against the Swedeshttps://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.biography.com/people/peter-the-great-9542228&ved=2ahUKEwjEm9C45sPdAhVID8AKHeKHBuAQFjANegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0pZRRoajwniymJQMT54c7s
Quote from: hoolahoop on September 18, 2018, 06:10:55 amQuote from: Sprotyrover on September 17, 2018, 10:16:40 amQuote from: hoolahoop on September 17, 2018, 01:17:16 amHow does this fit in with you ridiculous and frankly childish opinion on the safety of our neighbours ? https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-france-commit-to-new-defence-cooperation&ved=2ahUKEwj0w6Si4MDdAhWqC8AKHQTHCS0QFjADegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1wwoEmYDXeCeLmTuArXhqDThere are others and seeing as though we are still a part of the European continent rather than North America - THEIR safety is OURS . Do you think we patrol the whole of the North Sea as well as the Channel without help from our European allies ? We all ensure each others safety ! You watch too many WW11 films with a heavy British slant to them 3 chinooks and 100 troops doesn't make the entente Cordiale! As for Estonia we signal our intention to pull out and leave em to it!Don't be daft are you not aware of these agreements :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_House_TreatiesWe have both been looking to sign a far- reaching joint agreement of this type for decades - it makes sense and involves far more than 100 troops and 3 Chinooks ! Incidentally Peter the Great' s finest military achievements were against the Swedeshttps://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.biography.com/people/peter-the-great-9542228&ved=2ahUKEwjEm9C45sPdAhVID8AKHeKHBuAQFjANegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0pZRRoajwniymJQMT54c7sYes Charles the 12 th of Sweden was probably one of the best generals of all time. He didn't blink at the thought of Pitting 40,000 Swedes against An Enemy over 100,000 strong. He was Also the victim of his own men who got fed up and shot him in the head.The Great Northern War was a clash of 2 superpowers Sweden and Russia It wasn't Russia picking on the West it was all about two leaders with Very large egos falling out.