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Quote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.
Here is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.
You see Billy, this is where people perceive different things to suit their own agendas. I never thought that poster was a portrait of immigrants queueing up to get into the UK. I thought it was merely an example of what could happen if we didn't control our borders. The bullshit about suggestions of racism almost made me change my vote to leave. And Are you saying the murder of Jo Cox took place because of that poster?
Nothing unusual there then!
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on November 20, 2018, 08:42:03 amNothing unusual there then!I'm a member of a large club bb
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 18, 2018, 11:33:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.Glyn, isn’t that where we are now though.We currently have leave and various groups are trying to argue their case for a specific version of leave.No difference as far as I can see.So back to my question, what would be the difference if a second vote still came up with leave.Glyn to respond please.
Quote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 07:56:33 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 18, 2018, 11:33:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.Glyn, isn’t that where we are now though.We currently have leave and various groups are trying to argue their case for a specific version of leave.No difference as far as I can see.So back to my question, what would be the difference if a second vote still came up with leave.Glyn to respond please.The difference is that the public would be able to say which of the versions of Leave being argued about (or otherwise) they want. Because the question would the different and therefore it isn't the same referendum being run.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 20, 2018, 09:41:05 amQuote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 07:56:33 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 18, 2018, 11:33:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.Glyn, isn’t that where we are now though.We currently have leave and various groups are trying to argue their case for a specific version of leave.No difference as far as I can see.So back to my question, what would be the difference if a second vote still came up with leave.Glyn to respond please.The difference is that the public would be able to say which of the versions of Leave being argued about (or otherwise) they want. Because the question would the different and therefore it isn't the same referendum being run.Ok, thanks.However, if the politicians themselves can’t agree on which is the best option how can the less well informed public make a decision on which is best.
Does anyone, anywhere, think that May's deal is better than staying in the EU? Anyone?
Quote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 11:07:10 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 20, 2018, 09:41:05 amQuote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 07:56:33 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 18, 2018, 11:33:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.Glyn, isn’t that where we are now though.We currently have leave and various groups are trying to argue their case for a specific version of leave.No difference as far as I can see.So back to my question, what would be the difference if a second vote still came up with leave.Glyn to respond please.The difference is that the public would be able to say which of the versions of Leave being argued about (or otherwise) they want. Because the question would the different and therefore it isn't the same referendum being run.Ok, thanks.However, if the politicians themselves can’t agree on which is the best option how can the less well informed public make a decision on which is best.Ignorance of the electorate is no objection to the validity of the 2016 vote though, is it?
Quote from: bobjimwilly on November 20, 2018, 11:13:01 amDoes anyone, anywhere, think that May's deal is better than staying in the EU? Anyone?Better than remaining . Worse than a no deal.
Quote from: Boomstick on November 20, 2018, 01:10:00 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on November 20, 2018, 11:13:01 amDoes anyone, anywhere, think that May's deal is better than staying in the EU? Anyone?Better than remaining . Worse than a no deal. Boomstick.John Redwood, who is as passionate an advocate for a Hard Brexit as you will find, accepted on Any Questions on R4 last week that a no deal Brexit would lead to a 7.5% reduction in GDP compared to the alternative of remaining. This will be hard wired into the UK economy permanently.So tell us. What are the benefits of the No Deal that would balance this loss of national income?Bear in mind that the 1980-1 recession involved a loss of GDP of about 2% FOR ONE YEAR and that lead to a increase in unemployment of about 2 million which took the rest of the decade to bring down. And the recession of 2008 involved a similar fall in GDP for one year and that led to an increase in unemployment of about 1million and a decade long stagnation of wages.What are the upsides of No Deal that counterbalance the sort of economic carnage that would come with a 7.5% reduction in GDP?
Brilliant.Set fire to your house and take pleasure from the fact that your neighbour coughs a bit on the smoke.