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I understand what Sydney has written, he thinks the load could be shared better by the older generation, of which I am one. I have no problem with contributing more if the younger workers load is lessened.
SS.Literally no-one is talking about pensioners whose only source of income is the state pension being asked to pay taxes to cover the costs of social care. The pensioners who should be paying something are those with comfortable pensions and houses which have gone up 10-20 fold in value over the past 40 years.
Quote from: SydneyRover on September 12, 2021, 01:05:18 amQuote from: scawsby steve on September 11, 2021, 08:09:50 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on September 11, 2021, 12:05:46 pmQuote from: Hounslowrover on September 11, 2021, 11:43:56 amHave to agree Tyke, also pensioners were not expected to live so long after retirement, so our contributions weren’t enough.It rekindles the faith to read that there are those that understand how they have benefitted from circumstance as well as their work but are willing to share the load."Share the load"?What does that mean?It means that some are willing to understand the difficulties that following generations are under as the retired generation have had the advantage of cheaper housing and plenty, probably too many are buying up second homes making it doubly difficult for other generations to buy their first. And they are also willing to pay more tax if the tax load was equitable.Anything else SS?Once again your poor understanding of semantics has lead to you utterly and totally failing to answer the question, something you accuse other people of doing.
Quote from: scawsby steve on September 11, 2021, 08:09:50 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on September 11, 2021, 12:05:46 pmQuote from: Hounslowrover on September 11, 2021, 11:43:56 amHave to agree Tyke, also pensioners were not expected to live so long after retirement, so our contributions weren’t enough.It rekindles the faith to read that there are those that understand how they have benefitted from circumstance as well as their work but are willing to share the load."Share the load"?What does that mean?It means that some are willing to understand the difficulties that following generations are under as the retired generation have had the advantage of cheaper housing and plenty, probably too many are buying up second homes making it doubly difficult for other generations to buy their first. And they are also willing to pay more tax if the tax load was equitable.Anything else SS?
Quote from: SydneyRover on September 11, 2021, 12:05:46 pmQuote from: Hounslowrover on September 11, 2021, 11:43:56 amHave to agree Tyke, also pensioners were not expected to live so long after retirement, so our contributions weren’t enough.It rekindles the faith to read that there are those that understand how they have benefitted from circumstance as well as their work but are willing to share the load."Share the load"?What does that mean?
Quote from: Hounslowrover on September 11, 2021, 11:43:56 amHave to agree Tyke, also pensioners were not expected to live so long after retirement, so our contributions weren’t enough.It rekindles the faith to read that there are those that understand how they have benefitted from circumstance as well as their work but are willing to share the load.
Have to agree Tyke, also pensioners were not expected to live so long after retirement, so our contributions weren’t enough.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 12, 2021, 07:32:03 pmSS.Literally no-one is talking about pensioners whose only source of income is the state pension being asked to pay taxes to cover the costs of social care. The pensioners who should be paying something are those with comfortable pensions and houses which have gone up 10-20 fold in value over the past 40 years.Agh, I've got it now. So what Sydney and Hounslow should have said was "some" pensioners, or "wealthy" pensioners, rather than pensioners per se.
RavenNo, of course not. It is a sliding scale. I don't think someone just about surviving should be paying more tax. Whether that is a pensioner or a gig economy youngster.Look at the other end of the scale. Do you think that pensioners with a decent occupational pension and the good fortune to see their house value rise to £500k on the property roulette wheel (and there are many in that situation) should have their care costs subsidised by someone working in a call centre and bringing up a family and unable to ever get their own house because the house price inflation for 40 years has been out of control? Because that is precisely what Johnson has proposed.
Don't you have to pay for your care costs if you have a large amount of assets in England? You certainly do in Scotland including property.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 13, 2021, 09:05:47 pmDon't you have to pay for your care costs if you have a large amount of assets in England? You certainly do in Scotland including property.Yes but under the new law the amount you pay yourself will be capped at £80k. The rest will be paid for by NI.
I did well on the "housing casino" as you put it, not by speculation but by being prepared to uproot my family and move homes to further my career which resulted in my current property and a comfortable final salary pension I still don't see your very Socialist view point re value of property in all this so I'll bow out on this debate
Quote from: ravenrover on September 13, 2021, 08:32:44 pmI did well on the "housing casino" as you put it, not by speculation but by being prepared to uproot my family and move homes to further my career which resulted in my current property and a comfortable final salary pension I still don't see your very Socialist view point re value of property in all this so I'll bow out on this debate'You uprooted your family to further your career' and had a bonus win on the housing lottery, hope you are not using socialism selectively RR, and are happy to use any facilities paid for by the masses when it suits?
I did well on the "housing casino" as you put it, not by speculation but by being prepared to uproot my family and move homes to further my career which resulted in my current property and a comfortable final salary pension I still don't see your very Socialist view point re value of property in all this so I'll bow out on this debate
Quote from: SydneyRover on September 14, 2021, 12:11:15 amQuote from: ravenrover on September 13, 2021, 08:32:44 pmI did well on the "housing casino" as you put it, not by speculation but by being prepared to uproot my family and move homes to further my career which resulted in my current property and a comfortable final salary pension I still don't see your very Socialist view point re value of property in all this so I'll bow out on this debate'You uprooted your family to further your career' and had a bonus win on the housing lottery, hope you are not using socialism selectively RR, and are happy to use any facilities paid for by the masses when it suits?Try reading all my posts on the NI debate
Quote from: ravenrover on September 14, 2021, 09:26:00 amQuote from: SydneyRover on September 14, 2021, 12:11:15 amQuote from: ravenrover on September 13, 2021, 08:32:44 pmI did well on the "housing casino" as you put it, not by speculation but by being prepared to uproot my family and move homes to further my career which resulted in my current property and a comfortable final salary pension I still don't see your very Socialist view point re value of property in all this so I'll bow out on this debate'You uprooted your family to further your career' and had a bonus win on the housing lottery, hope you are not using socialism selectively RR, and are happy to use any facilities paid for by the masses when it suits?Try reading all my posts on the NI debateI'm constantly surprised (not) by those denigrating socialism but happy to use services that are in effect socialistic, if that's a word, no big deal RR.
Quote from: SydneyRover on September 14, 2021, 12:11:15 amQuote from: ravenrover on September 13, 2021, 08:32:44 pmI did well on the "housing casino" as you put it, not by speculation but by being prepared to uproot my family and move homes to further my career which resulted in my current property and a comfortable final salary pension I still don't see your very Socialist view point re value of property in all this so I'll bow out on this debate'You uprooted your family to further your career' and had a bonus win on the housing lottery, hope you are not using socialism selectively RR, and are happy to use any facilities paid for by the masses when it suits?Try reading all my posts on the NI debate
Quote from: ravenrover on September 13, 2021, 08:32:44 pmI did well on the "housing casino" as you put it, not by speculation but by being prepared to uproot my family and move homes to further my career which resulted in my current property and a comfortable final salary pension I still don't see your very Socialist view point re value of property in all this so I'll bow out on this debate'You uprooted your family to further your career' and had a bonus win on the housing lottery, hope you are not using socialism selectively RR, and are happy to use any facilities paid for by the masses when it suits?
I did well on the "housing casino" as you put it, not by speculation but by being prepared to uproot my family and move homes to further my career which resulted in my current property and a comfortable final salary pension I still don't see your very Socialist view point re value of property in all this so I'll bow out on this debate