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Title: Molyneux
Post by: Butchers Red on March 09, 2024, 06:10:07 pm
Outstanding performance from him today, I have criticized him for fading around the 60 minute mark, but today, if anything he got stronger from then on, driving us up field and getting in some great crosses. Unplayable for large parts of the game - more of the same please,and a mention for Biamou who did very well back to goal,winning headers and some nice link up play. A good day for Rovers apart from the injuries.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: The Dav on March 09, 2024, 06:22:32 pm
I feared the worse when big Joe went off, however Max really impressed me, got up well to win some important header and on another day could of had 2 goals, clearly a talented footballer, let’s hoops we can keep him injury free ! And as said Moly was outstanding ! I still feel we’ll finish top half, albeit not the playoffs, this is all looking good for next season ! 
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 09, 2024, 06:23:58 pm
It is both very pleasing and very surprising that we are now only four points behind Notts County.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Reg of the Rovers on March 09, 2024, 06:24:26 pm
I thought to a man we were outstanding today, and how refreshing when we make changes it didn't weaken the team. Olowu came in and did well, Tommy was solid, Biamou was excellent, Zain did well coming back from injury, Hurst did well stretching them and unlucky not to get a goal.

Great performance - this team / squad for the full season would be up there top end of the league.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 09, 2024, 06:35:37 pm
Yes, Moly was good today, along with every player, who performed their jobs very well.

Noticeable that Molyneux has been coming inside a bit more to get involved and can create overloads. Definitely less one dimensional and predictable.

Was a bit concerning to lose both full backs but Rowe, Bailey then Olowu all played their part in limiting Crewe to few chances. Together with Wood, Anderson and Lo Tutala it was a well earned clean sheet. Same with Westbrooke coming on for Craig and not losing the bite in midfield when we needed it. Biggins playing his part too.

Would agree Biamou looks very handy and assured on the ball. He could easily have been rewarded with a goal with that header but unfortunately straight at the keeper.

It's just a shame we are probably 6 points short of having a real tilt at the play offs, as other teams continue to faulter.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Arsenal Of The North on March 09, 2024, 08:02:12 pm
In the pocket of fans to which we sit at the ECO, I’m probably mollys biggest critic, but I’ll hold my hands up when I’m wrong, and today he was fantastic, I think biggins pushed him close for my MOTM, but molly just easier on the eye today.

His upturn in form in recent weeks is great to see, he seems to have found out how to complete a good cross, he put countless good ones in dangerous areas today.

I suspect he’s playing to impress for a contract elsewhere away from the ECO, and that’s fair enough. Nice to see him bringing his overall game up to a level of what I suspect we all wanted from him signing on day 1
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: ncRover on March 09, 2024, 08:38:19 pm
I have changed my mind on him too. I would offer him a new deal but I would also get a player in to properly compete with him and offer something a bit different.

Yes, there’s wide players at this level who can be more clinical and prolific than him but none will have that on top of his footwork, work-rate and robustness.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: mushRTID on March 09, 2024, 08:44:35 pm
I have changed my mind on him too. I would offer him a new deal but I would also get a player in to properly compete with him and offer something a bit different.

Yes, there’s wide players at this level who can be more clinical and prolific than him but none will have that on top of his footwork, work-rate and robustness.


I think Haks will sign and Moly will be offered a new contract.

Haks, Moly, hurst and GM will likely have another wide attacker up his sleeve.

Taylor will obviously go and I can’t see Waters getting a deal.

That competition will be good for Moly.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Pancho Regan on March 09, 2024, 08:46:43 pm
I’ve never changed my mind about Moly, I’ve always rated him highly.
I’m delighted he is enjoying a purple patch right now and winning over the doubters.

We need Moly to stay at the club and I desperately hope we’ll keep him here next season and beyond.
He will be an integral part of our promotion push next season.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfcsteve on March 09, 2024, 08:52:31 pm
Molys got some unfair stick on here I think. Yes he doesn’t score and assist every week, but if he did he wouldn’t be a league 2 player.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on March 09, 2024, 09:29:16 pm
Surely if we are offering out contract extensions we have to judge players on their contribution over there time here. Not just the last few months when they are essentially playing for their livelihood. He’s been ok this season, he has ability and works hard, generally underwhelms me though. He’s put in some good performances recently as we all can see, he’s replaceable and replaceable with better imo.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Pancho Regan on March 09, 2024, 09:31:12 pm
Surely if we are offering out contract extensions we have to judge players on their contribution over there time here. Not just the last few months when they are essentially playing for their livelihood. He’s been ok this season, he has ability and works hard, generally underwhelms me though. He’s put in some good performances recently as we all can see, he’s replaceable and replaceable with better imo.

Yep, that clinches it for me.

Give Moly another contract.

Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: selby on March 09, 2024, 09:55:59 pm
  Two scouts from bigger clubs discussing Moly as I  left the ground today in front of me.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: adamtherover on March 09, 2024, 10:01:02 pm
  Two scouts from bigger clubs discussing Moly as I  left the ground today in front of me.
dare to divulge the names of these bigger clubs out of interest?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: dickos1 on March 09, 2024, 10:09:24 pm
He’s been our best player this season for me.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: selby on March 09, 2024, 10:23:20 pm
 One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: roversdude on March 09, 2024, 10:27:24 pm
He’s been our best player this season for me.

He’s been good but Bailey is the top player this season
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on March 09, 2024, 10:34:04 pm
When he’s been poor it’s more because the teams been terrible as a whole. I’d have no problem if we offered him a deal to stay that’s reasonable.

Biggins fits into the category of playing for a contract imo and if he’s to stay it can’t be on starting 11 money
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Bessie Red on March 10, 2024, 01:29:05 am
He’s been our best player this season for me.

He’s been good but Bailey is the top player this season
By a country mile!
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on March 10, 2024, 04:19:19 am
One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.

£1 double please Huddersfield & Peterbrew

reminds me of when Chelsea used to have a regular scout watching the Snodin's ...  he preferred Glynn !!

Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Avsuptem on March 10, 2024, 05:39:41 am
I don't see why people don't realise that Molly is by far our most creative player. These are few and far between whereas the Bailey's of this world are many. Which is not to detract from Bailey's contribution this season but if we had to lose one of the two Molyneux would be the biggest loss by a huge margin.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Silkscarf on March 10, 2024, 06:41:09 am
One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.

Is that the level of insight needed to be a scout? Every team has at least 1 or 2 left-footers. They’re 10% of the population.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Padge_DRFC on March 10, 2024, 07:08:32 am
I think he thinks he's better than he is and will leave himself.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Filo on March 10, 2024, 07:08:58 am
One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.

Why is it unfair to say, we have no obligation to any other club
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 10, 2024, 07:24:48 am
One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.

Maybe Lincoln looking for a player swap so to speak?

Of course we'd rather have both but there's likely to be competition for both players.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfchound on March 10, 2024, 08:11:16 am
One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.

Is that the level of insight needed to be a scout? Every team has at least 1 or 2 left-footers. They’re 10% of the population.

So on averages then, only one left footer in every team.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Colin C No.3 on March 10, 2024, 09:23:38 am
Surely if we are offering out contract extensions we have to judge players on their contribution over there time here. Not just the last few months when they are essentially playing for their livelihood. He’s been ok this season, he has ability and works hard, generally underwhelms me though. He’s put in some good performances recently as we all can see, he’s replaceable and replaceable with better imo.

imo!

Don’t agree with your opinion (for a variety of reasons) but since you point out it is YOUR OPINION, I’m happy to simply leave it at us having a difference of opinions.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: andyst79 on March 10, 2024, 10:39:35 am
Surely if we are offering out contract extensions we have to judge players on their contribution over there time here. Not just the last few months when they are essentially playing for their livelihood. He’s been ok this season, he has ability and works hard, generally underwhelms me though. He’s put in some good performances recently as we all can see, he’s replaceable and replaceable with better imo.
Based on that would you offer Close an extension?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Colin C No.3 on March 10, 2024, 10:44:02 am
Do you know, I said to my brother during the second half yesterday that I haven’t missed Close one iota in fact, not only had I completely forgotten about him until yesterday but I don’t think he would fit into this side & its new found vigour in games.

Anyway back on topic, Molyneaux had Cooley in his pocket so much so that in the second half Crewe weren’t just doubling up on Moly, at times they had three around him & he still either got a cross into the area, won a corner, free kick or a throw in.

In my opinion that was his best 90+ minutes I’ve seen him play for us AND, if there’s a better wing man ‘out there’ than him at present we can get without breaking the bank,  I’d like to see his xg’s, I.Q, O-60 times, lung capacity readings & inside leg measurements.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 10, 2024, 10:48:25 am
If we didn't renew Close, in additional to Taylor, Rowe and Biggins, they will collectively be a decent chunk of our wage bill that will be leaving the books. They must be among the very highest earners currently at the club.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on March 10, 2024, 10:55:44 am
Surely if we are offering out contract extensions we have to judge players on their contribution over there time here. Not just the last few months when they are essentially playing for their livelihood. He’s been ok this season, he has ability and works hard, generally underwhelms me though. He’s put in some good performances recently as we all can see, he’s replaceable and replaceable with better imo.

Yep, that clinches it for me.

Give Moly another contract.




You are one weird guy.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Campsall rover on March 10, 2024, 10:57:45 am
Surely if we are offering out contract extensions we have to judge players on their contribution over there time here. Not just the last few months when they are essentially playing for their livelihood. He’s been ok this season, he has ability and works hard, generally underwhelms me though. He’s put in some good performances recently as we all can see, he’s replaceable and replaceable with better imo.
Based on that would you offer Close an extension?
Think Close is a luxury player.
I would much rather have Mathew Craig. He has been a revelation. A proper combative midfielder along side Owen Bailey who has been our most consistent player this season.

If we can get Craig on loan again then it’s a no brainer for me. Think Spurs will want him to go to a League 1 club next season.
Biggins on current form needs to be signing another deal imo.  Think the penny has clicked with him and the role he has now suits his game.

Wood another 1 yr contract on sensible money is a no brainer. His leadership is invaluable.
McGrath and Faulkner are the future but one of Wood or Anderson needs to play providing their fitness is 100%
You can’t underestimate experience and leadership at CB.

Molly give him a contract that will get him focused on staying at DRFC. He is a massive player for us.
The best is yet to come. If he stays we will see it next season I think.

Adalukan no brainer. If we can get him without having to break the bank on wages is a must have player.
He is a match winner.

Nixon i would also sign and think he is better than Sterry. Just got a bit more physicality to his game.

Westbrooke is a yes also.

Lo Totula is also a no brainer. He is miles ahead of Lawlor and Jones.
GM has to do what it takes to sign him.

Release, Close, Rowe, Taylor.

Any others out of contract I have missed?

Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 10, 2024, 11:09:55 am
We are unlikely to be going into next season with Wood, Anderson, Olowu, McGrath and Faulkner as centre backs, when we seem to have settled on a back four, and with both Bailey and Senior able to play at centre back more than competently. It’s too many to keep happy. And we cannot have another season of Faulkner being sent out on loan. He’s either competing for match day squad or he may as well leave to further his career.

The easiest move to make is to not renew Wood, although he has been at heart of us having a decent defensive set up more recently.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Campsall rover on March 10, 2024, 11:11:17 am
Maxwell I missed
Yes offer him a deal.

Faulkner also. No brainer

Release Seaman & Lavery.

Waters if available not sure on him.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on March 10, 2024, 11:11:27 am
Surely if we are offering out contract extensions we have to judge players on their contribution over there time here. Not just the last few months when they are essentially playing for their livelihood. He’s been ok this season, he has ability and works hard, generally underwhelms me though. He’s put in some good performances recently as we all can see, he’s replaceable and replaceable with better imo.
Based on that would you offer Close an extension?


The most important thing in offering contracts is value isn’t it? Would I give close an extension for £500 a week? Yes. £5k a week? No. It’s not binary is it really? I’d work out his value to the team, his performances vs an average L2 player in his position, then I’d factor the average L2 wage for a player in his position to that and work out what his actual value in monetary terms was. Obviously considering what his availability has been and any non quantifiable assets he brings.

How do the club set a figure for these things? How do they decide if someone is worth 1000pw or 1200pw? Cant be paying too many players 20% more than they are worth and end up successful. Need to be able to apply a constant model to what you are prepared to remunerate players. Most clubs just guess essentially. 
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Alan Southstand on March 10, 2024, 11:13:35 am
Camps wrote:

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Any others out of contract I have missed?

See out of contract thread for more info.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: NickDRFC on March 10, 2024, 11:17:59 am
One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.

Is that the level of insight needed to be a scout? Every team has at least 1 or 2 left-footers. They’re 10% of the population.

So on averages then, only one left footer in every team.

Being left footed is a commodity in itself, I’d expect it to be much closer to 20% given it’s pretty standard to see a left footed left back, left winger, possibly a centre back etc.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: andyst79 on March 10, 2024, 11:22:40 am
Surely if we are offering out contract extensions we have to judge players on their contribution over there time here. Not just the last few months when they are essentially playing for their livelihood. He’s been ok this season, he has ability and works hard, generally underwhelms me though. He’s put in some good performances recently as we all can see, he’s replaceable and replaceable with better imo.
Based on that would you offer Close an extension?


The most important thing in offering contracts is value isn’t it? Would I give close an extension for £500 a week? Yes. £5k a week? No. It’s not binary is it really? I’d work out his value to the team, his performances vs an average L2 player in his position, then I’d factor the average L2 wage for a player in his position to that and work out what his actual value in monetary terms was. Obviously considering what his availability has been and any non quantifiable assets he brings.

How do the club set a figure for these things? How do they decide if someone is worth 1000pw or 1200pw? Cant be paying too many players 20% more than they are worth and end up successful. Need to be able to apply a constant model to what you are prepared to remunerate players. Most clubs just guess essentially. 
I'd imagine he's a high earner & doubt he'd want to take a drop in wages . Personally I think we can do better , it would be interesting to know how much Bailey is on compared to Close as he's been a revelation this season. It's easier said than done scouting players from the lower leagues but it appears we'd done our homework on this one.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Dare to dream! on March 10, 2024, 11:31:06 am
Biggins is a no brainer- he’s a solid squad player with and no injury prone.

I’d offer him a deal.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 10, 2024, 11:35:35 am
We are getting in the trap here of trying to keep players who haven’t moved the club on in the time they have been here. McCann can only add so much - we go up by signing players better than we have. It is as simple as that. If we don’t sign several players better than those we are replacing, we will remain a bottom half League Two side.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Silkscarf on March 10, 2024, 12:00:16 pm
One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.

Is that the level of insight needed to be a scout? Every team has at least 1 or 2 left-footers. They’re 10% of the population.

So on averages then, only one left footer in every team.

Being left footed is a commodity in itself, I’d expect it to be much closer to 20% given it’s pretty standard to see a left footed left back, left winger, possibly a centre back etc.

That’s right, it is a commodity in itself. At least one or two in a team, preferably more. Obvious though, that’s the small point I was making.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: NickDRFC on March 10, 2024, 12:05:32 pm
One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.

Is that the level of insight needed to be a scout? Every team has at least 1 or 2 left-footers. They’re 10% of the population.

So on averages then, only one left footer in every team.

Being left footed is a commodity in itself, I’d expect it to be much closer to 20% given it’s pretty standard to see a left footed left back, left winger, possibly a centre back etc.

That’s right, it is a commodity in itself. At least one or two in a team, preferably more. Obvious though, that’s the small point I was making.


Yeah don’t disagree with it being obvious - easy job if that’s top of the report that they take back!

My comment was more that it’s pretty uncommon to only have one left footer in a team and the percentage of professional footballers doesn’t have a correlation with the number of left handed (footed) people as part of the wider population.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Bills view on March 10, 2024, 12:08:45 pm
10-15 games ago, views were different.

Let's not get carried away by players. It seems some quality January loans/signings that have undoubtedly helped the Team may be clouding judgements.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Cramby10 on March 10, 2024, 03:04:43 pm
We are getting in the trap here of trying to keep players who haven’t moved the club on in the time they have been here. McCann can only add so much - we go up by signing players better than we have. It is as simple as that. If we don’t sign several players better than those we are replacing, we will remain a bottom half League Two side.
spot on. Some are being totally blinded by recent performances. Where were some of these players for the previous year and a half?
We need to reduce the size of the squad and use that money on fewer but quality players.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Padge_DRFC on March 10, 2024, 03:12:51 pm
Maxwell is probably one of our best players. Annoyingly very injury prone in his time here.

I'd still get shut of the lot out of contract.

We want promotion next season.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Sprotyrover on March 10, 2024, 03:13:22 pm
We are getting in the trap here of trying to keep players who haven’t moved the club on in the time they have been here. McCann can only add so much - we go up by signing players better than we have. It is as simple as that. If we don’t sign several players better than those we are replacing, we will remain a bottom half League Two side.
spot on. Some are being totally blinded by recent performances. Where were some of these players for the previous year and a half?
We need to reduce the size of the squad and use that money on fewer but quality players.
Mainly injured I would guess
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfchound on March 10, 2024, 03:14:31 pm
One top half division 1 side other lower Championship unfair to say who, but both said he played well and left footed.

Is that the level of insight needed to be a scout? Every team has at least 1 or 2 left-footers. They’re 10% of the population.

So on averages then, only one left footer in every team.

Being left footed is a commodity in itself, I’d expect it to be much closer to 20% given it’s pretty standard to see a left footed left back, left winger, possibly a centre back etc.

That’s right, it is a commodity in itself. At least one or two in a team, preferably more. Obvious though, that’s the small point I was making.


Yeah don’t disagree with it being obvious - easy job if that’s top of the report that they take back!

My comment was more that it’s pretty uncommon to only have one left footer in a team and the percentage of professional footballers doesn’t have a correlation with the number of left handed (footed) people as part of the wider population.

I’m very aware of the things you said Nick, in my first response to silscarf I was making a tongue in cheek reply.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: ncRover on March 10, 2024, 04:48:54 pm
Regarding Biggins, may I remind everyone that this forum was split on whether to offer Aiden Barlow a new deal after his late contract form. Now he’s a benchwarmer at Eastleigh.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Cramby10 on March 10, 2024, 05:06:01 pm
We are getting in the trap here of trying to keep players who haven’t moved the club on in the time they have been here. McCann can only add so much - we go up by signing players better than we have. It is as simple as that. If we don’t sign several players better than those we are replacing, we will remain a bottom half League Two side.
spot on. Some are being totally blinded by recent performances. Where were some of these players for the previous year and a half?
We need to reduce the size of the squad and use that money on fewer but quality players.
Mainly injured I would guess
righto. We’ll blindly stick with those that have taken us to the lower reaches of league 2 and hope for the best then. Sounds like a good plan……
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: MachoMadness on March 10, 2024, 11:21:12 pm
We are getting in the trap here of trying to keep players who haven’t moved the club on in the time they have been here. McCann can only add so much - we go up by signing players better than we have. It is as simple as that. If we don’t sign several players better than those we are replacing, we will remain a bottom half League Two side.
This. A few half decent games and we should all of a sudden retain the bulk of the (bloated, expensive) squad that had us hovering above the trap door to non-league not long ago? Not for me.

With the exception of Faulkner and possibly Maxwell we should be looking for better than all those out of contract. If we're serious about pushing for promotion, at least.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Move DRFC on March 10, 2024, 11:41:56 pm
We are getting in the trap here of trying to keep players who haven’t moved the club on in the time they have been here. McCann can only add so much - we go up by signing players better than we have. It is as simple as that. If we don’t sign several players better than those we are replacing, we will remain a bottom half League Two side.
This. A few half decent games and we should all of a sudden retain the bulk of the (bloated, expensive) squad that had us hovering above the trap door to non-league not long ago? Not for me.

With the exception of Faulkner and possibly Maxwell we should be looking for better than all those out of contract. If we're serious about pushing for promotion, at least.

Correct. Would like to keep Maxwell and prob Molynuex but not bothered about anyone else.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Draytonian III on March 11, 2024, 12:11:00 am
Is Bobby Faulkner still injured ?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Reg of the Rovers on March 11, 2024, 10:06:24 am
The difference a decent keeper (Tim), decent centre mid (Craig) and decent creative forward player (Haks) has made has completely changed our team. Sticking with the same hasn't worked, however good on paper our team / squad looked previously.

To make signings like this we need to free up cash, so some of the bigger earners will need to go. Taylor obviously should be first gone as hasn't added anything in years, but then the bigger earners (Close, Biggins, Rowe, Anderson etc, Miller even) need looking at so Grant has resources to freshen up properly, however resurgent they've recently been. 
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 11, 2024, 10:53:15 am
Moly is our best contracted player for me. He has improved recently but that's as the team has improved and another threat on the opposite side has been added, harder now teams don't need to just double mark up Molyneux and they've finished us off.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: jmt23 on March 11, 2024, 12:30:46 pm
Agree with the above, we miss him badly when he is not in the team. It’s not just his forward play, he along with Bailey are the hardest workers.
He also gave Everton’s defenders a very very good run for their money.

The downside to him is he can go mia for a couple of games, but always works hard.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: pib on March 11, 2024, 01:00:19 pm
Biggins has been decent recently, but has he really done enough in the past two years to justify another deal? If we want to stay where we are, maybe, but if we want to be in the promotion hunt, I'd say almost definitely not.

Molyneux is a funny one. I think he's decent and hardworking and clearly contributes a fair bit to this side at the minute. Maybe there would be better options out there, I don't know. I get the feeling (based on no inside knowledge, just a gut feel) that he will hang on to see what offers he gets in the summer, and quite possibly go somewhere else for more money. I'm sure there will be other clubs in this division who'd gladly take him. He's scored and caught the eye twice against Graham Alexander's teams this season so I wouldn't be surprised if Bradford were interested.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Pancho Regan on March 12, 2024, 01:02:26 pm
I always listen intently to GM's interviews because in my opinion he thinks carefully about what he says and talks a lot of sense.

When interviewed after the Crewe win, he was asked about Moly's excellent performance and how he has hit a good vein of form (or words to that effect).

Grant considered the question and replied that he thought Moly has been consistently good all season. He said he often delivers good crosses which deserve better outcomes (which in turn of course would improve Moly's own stats), for instance two excellent crosses at Bradford which we didn't quite get on the end of.

I'm guilty of being over-positive sometimes and trying to see the best in every player, but I agree with GM about Moly. He isn't MOM every game but he is always a threat and has certainly benefited from the more attacking style which we have adopted since GM arrived.

So I repeat, for me, Moly is among our better players and definitely deserves another contract.
How much we offer him, I have no idea. But unlike some, I trust GM and the club to get that bit right.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Jonathan on March 12, 2024, 01:32:34 pm
Inclined to agree with that. We also have to remember that wingers (especially at this level but really at every level) will have the odd 5/10 performance here and there which Molyneux has had. But he has lots to work with and has been one or our better and more productive players over the season. If the deal is right I’d be happy to see him stay.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Spud on March 12, 2024, 02:34:14 pm
I'm in the in camp too, I tend to imagine how I'd feel if a player was playing against us. Granted he doesn't do it week in, week out (if he did he'd be playing a league or two higher), but he tears full backs apart at times.
As has been said, maybe his stats would be better if better players were on the end of his product, & he's certainly gone up a gear of late.
He'll get offers for sure, I hope he stays, I'll even buy him a pint in t'Sal.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Pancho Regan on March 12, 2024, 02:47:39 pm
Before the start of the season, I took an opportunity to ask Moly what differences there were in the camp now that GM had arrived.

Obviously he was bound to give a positive response, but he genuinely felt that last season he was at times frustrated and confused about his role in the team. He said there was quite a negative approach and that he didn't feel encouraged to play with freedom and take the game to the opposition.
"We started every game with a point and holding onto that point was a priority" he said, or words to that effect.

I do remember him on several occasions playing very deep and looking quite lost last season.
So I do think this season's more positive style under GM has benefited Moly a great deal.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Campsall rover on March 12, 2024, 04:40:54 pm
Before the start of the season, I took an opportunity to ask Moly what differences there were in the camp now that GM had arrived.

Obviously he was bound to give a positive response, but he genuinely felt that last season he was at times frustrated and confused about his role in the team. He said there was quite a negative approach and that he didn't feel encouraged to play with freedom and take the game to the opposition.
"We started every game with a point and holding onto that point was a priority" he said, or words to that effect.

I do remember him on several occasions playing very deep and looking quite lost last season.
So I do think this season's more positive style under GM has benefited Moly a great deal.
They were all confused under Schofield. So what you posted about what Molly told you sounds exactly as I saw it on the pitch.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Spud on March 12, 2024, 05:23:48 pm
Before the start of the season, I took an opportunity to ask Moly what differences there were in the camp now that GM had arrived.

Obviously he was bound to give a positive response, but he genuinely felt that last season he was at times frustrated and confused about his role in the team. He said there was quite a negative approach and that he didn't feel encouraged to play with freedom and take the game to the opposition.
"We started every game with a point and holding onto that point was a priority" he said, or words to that effect.

I do remember him on several occasions playing very deep and looking quite lost last season.
So I do think this season's more positive style under GM has benefited Moly a great deal.
They were all confused under Schofield. So what you posted about what Molly told you sounds exactly as I saw it on the pitch.

I've mentioned it on here before, but I remember one of DS' first games here, maybe the first. We got beat 0-1 at home by Stevenage, who were near the top at the time. Despite the result we were brilliant that night, Moly ran em ragged too. Looking back I'm sure the players were just sent out to play, before all that attacking nonsense was coached out of em.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Plumbster on March 12, 2024, 10:14:42 pm
Molly is a bit hit and miss, and tends to leave us exposed when he loses possession, but imo we are more threatening when he is in the team. He’s far more effective than Hurst for instance who a lot of people seem to rave about.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfchound on March 12, 2024, 10:19:09 pm
IMO, Moly is also very good defensively as well as offensively.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Campsall rover on March 12, 2024, 10:22:59 pm
Molly is a bit hit and miss, and tends to leave us exposed when he loses possession, but imo we are more threatening when he is in the team. He’s far more effective than Hurst for instance who a lot of people seem to rave about.
Not heard anyone raving about Hurst this season. Last season yes at times he was a match winner.
He hasn’t rekindled the spark since his injury. How he missed that chance on Saturday I will never know.
Last season he would have scored that with his eyes closed.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Colin C No.3 on March 12, 2024, 10:30:19 pm
He’s had little game time after coming back from injury.

I was amazed too that he didn’t bury his chance on Saturday but he scored a ‘typical Kyle’ opportunity against Walsall to equalise at 1-1.

He needs games as Biggins has been afforded.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: dickos1 on March 14, 2024, 07:02:32 am
Can’t believe some folk are saying release westbrooke and molyneux.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Spilsby Red on March 14, 2024, 07:37:27 am
I agree. Keep them both. Moly for me is a good player. Still young. Gives his all. Not the finished article. Let’s sign him up and make him a great player. Massively improved over the season. At least a 2 year contract for me.
Westbrooke deserves at least a one year contract. Has shown how positive we are when he plays.
I would keep Hurst. Has shown flashes of brilliance. Sure he is capable of more.
Biggins I would keep to. Has cemented his place now and it shows in his confidence and play.
Sign the lad from Lincoln and give Max a one year to.
Rowe, thanks for the service over two periods. Doesn’t really bring much now. More of a liability with giving fouls away. Taylor, sorry but needs to be released. 
Maxwell. Sign, 2 years. Another good player that could become a great player.

Grant has turned a corner, playing a regular side, the players look more relaxed and happy.
Yes we will lose some games, it happens but they are showing fight and spirit.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfchound on March 14, 2024, 08:26:17 am
Good comments there Spilsby.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: andy didcott on March 14, 2024, 08:31:52 am
Look more likely to score when he’s playing.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 14, 2024, 08:43:56 am
McCann says he wants two players for each position. If everyone accepts Rowe and Taylor are going, and Adelakun is on loan. That leaves us only with Hurst as a contracted wide player next season, as it stands. We need to find three others.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: StocktonRover on March 14, 2024, 08:46:13 am
I watch Moly and think back to a young Coppinger who displayed all of the skills and ability but was hit and miss with his end product - he didn't turn out too bad did he).

I think Moly has the same if not better potential that needs nurturing and continued development (I'm sure Copps will be passing on his learnings).

Without him in the side we struggle to unlock defences and he's chipping in with some great goals and more consistent final ball now he's got some better players around him as well.

There's no way we shouldn't be offering him a contract, whether he accepts it or gets a better offer elsewhere is another matter.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 14, 2024, 09:26:34 am
I think the thing Moly needs to work on is looking up and increasing his awareness and vision. Up to recently, he's been predominatly head down with premeditated decision making with trying to get shots off or percentage crosses.

Copps was blessed with more allround vision and awareness, backed by his great skill bringing others into play resulting in better decision making.

Whilst I don't think Molly can reach those heights, he has potential to improve to increase his strike rate and assists.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfchound on March 14, 2024, 10:56:34 am
I think the thing Moly needs to work on is looking up and increasing his awareness and vision. Up to recently, he's been predominatly head down with premeditated decision making with trying to get shots off or percentage crosses.

Copps was blessed with more allround vision and awareness, backed by his great skill bringing others into play resulting in better decision making.

Whilst I don't think Molly can reach those heights, he has potential to improve to increase his strike rate and assists.

All the best players play with their head up.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: MachoMadness on March 18, 2024, 01:04:35 pm
I'm not ITK with the club or anything, but I know someone who works with a childhood friend of Moly's.

Today they've told me he's been offered a contract, but Moly isn't sure whether he's going to accept and he has some interest from Australia.

Take it with all the usual pinches of salt you need.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on March 18, 2024, 01:39:50 pm
I'm not ITK with the club or anything, but I know someone who works with a childhood friend of Moly's.

Today they've told me he's been offered a contract, but Moly isn't sure whether he's going to accept and he has some interest from Australia.

Take it with all the usual pinches of salt you need.

He’d be great in the A-League. Perfect for his style.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 18, 2024, 01:51:34 pm
If he could get a decent deal there, that’s an amazing lifestyle change. Not sure of wage structure but he’s probably not going to earn much more than we would be offering but living over there would be the real draw. A League seems to be getting stronger each year as well. Feels like top end League One level? That’s a step up for him.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Monkcaster_Rover on March 18, 2024, 03:00:40 pm
There’s no Sal down under.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Campsall rover on March 18, 2024, 03:35:33 pm
If he could get a decent deal there, that’s an amazing lifestyle change. Not sure of wage structure but he’s probably not going to earn much more than we would be offering but living over there would be the real draw. A League seems to be getting stronger each year as well. Feels like top end League One level? That’s a step up for him.
I really hope he stays with us. Think the best is yet to come from him and GM is tge man to unleash that potential in him imo.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: dknward2 on March 18, 2024, 10:00:08 pm
Spending another season with us could mean he gets a championship team the year after and be on 3 times on what he's on now
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Nudga on March 18, 2024, 10:06:01 pm
I bet it's schofields outfit.

Macho madness, is it you with the secret Rovers spy account on twitter?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Colin C No.3 on March 18, 2024, 10:37:25 pm
If all I’m ‘hearing’ from the forum is correct, then I think it’s a case of Grant ‘selling’ the clubs future ambitions & where he sees Moly being a big part of that to him vs the draw of a new life ‘down under’.

You only get so many chances, if you’re good enough, to ply your trade as a professional footballer in fields that those skills you possess entices life changing opportunities elsewhere.

Good luck to anyone who has worn or is currently wearing Rovers colours, who feels the need to grasp that moment when offered, in a chance to give them & their family a very different but exciting new life.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: MachoMadness on March 18, 2024, 11:09:11 pm
Nope, as I said I'm not itk with anyone at the club at all like some on there seem to be. Just sharing what I've been told, have no way to know how accurate it is.

Didn't realise Schofield was down there. Assistant at Central Coast Mariners, apparently. 2nd in the A-League.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: 5minstogo on March 19, 2024, 07:05:40 am
He'd be mad not to go to Oz if he's got an opportunity.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: idler on March 19, 2024, 10:18:36 am
He'd be mad not to go to Oz if he's got an opportunity.
As long as he is nowhere near Sydney. ;)
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: graingrover on March 19, 2024, 11:17:09 am
I agree that GM’s talk of Championship ambition can be a powerful motivator for players having to decide where to play next season .I think that GM himself has  been fired in turn by TB’s own declaration of ambition .
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Alan Southstand on March 19, 2024, 01:21:45 pm
I’d loved to be a fly on the wall in GM’s recent meeting with both TB and GB!
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: roversdude on March 19, 2024, 08:50:33 pm
Fingers crossed he has a contract too
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Chris Black come back on May 05, 2024, 10:30:54 pm
Nope, as I said I'm not itk with anyone at the club at all like some on there seem to be. Just sharing what I've been told, have no way to know how accurate it is.

Didn't realise Schofield was down there. Assistant at Central Coast Mariners, apparently. 2nd in the A-League.

They won the A League last week and today beat Lebanese side Al-Ahed 1-0 in the AFC Cup final (equivalent of Europa Cup final). Only second Oz side to win an Asian trophy.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfchound on May 05, 2024, 11:38:24 pm
Well done Danny.
Not surprisingly though it was 1-0 in that final.