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Aye go on and elect her for the Labour leadership ..... why not ?The Labour Party just loves sitting in opposition as a protest party .Meanwhile the rest of us have to endure 10 years of austerity driven tory governments and a whopping further endorsement of 5 more years led by a f**kin clown and his henchmen / women .Mind you the policies were popular with the electorate apparently , apart from the fact 3m more people voted tory .Corbyn with lipstick ...... a sure fire winner !!!
Unfortunately imho whoever takes the poisoned chalice from Corbyn will have to endure maybe 10 years in opposition whilst the Clown and his entourage do whatever they want with the mandate "of doing what the people wanted"They will land many blows on the Clown but there can be no knock out even though 56 out of every 100 that voted , voted against the Clown and so they (LN SKS or RL-B or whoever Labour elect) will already be a spent force at the end of that time.I cant forsee how the Clown "falls". Could be a heap of c**p like my prediction the Clown would resign after the Election if he won - so please dont stay tuned !
Quote from: tyke1962 on February 21, 2020, 11:41:49 pmAye go on and elect her for the Labour leadership ..... why not ?The Labour Party just loves sitting in opposition as a protest party .Meanwhile the rest of us have to endure 10 years of austerity driven tory governments and a whopping further endorsement of 5 more years led by a f**kin clown and his henchmen / women .Mind you the policies were popular with the electorate apparently , apart from the fact 3m more people voted tory .Corbyn with lipstick ...... a sure fire winner !!! I notice that RLB was in the press the other day proposing that undoubtably unpopular policy of building more affordable homes and council houses. Political leadership depends on judgement and reading the public mood. Keir Starmer judged the public mood and said this will be our Brexit policy and the country said...Do you have any more examples of unpopular policies she supports and the others don't?Or popular policies the others are proposing that she doesn't support?
Political leadership depends on judgement and reading the public mood. Keir Starmer judged the public mood and said this will be our Brexit policy and the country said...
Quote from: wilts rover on February 22, 2020, 09:32:16 amQuote from: tyke1962 on February 21, 2020, 11:41:49 pmAye go on and elect her for the Labour leadership ..... why not ?The Labour Party just loves sitting in opposition as a protest party .Meanwhile the rest of us have to endure 10 years of austerity driven tory governments and a whopping further endorsement of 5 more years led by a f**kin clown and his henchmen / women .Mind you the policies were popular with the electorate apparently , apart from the fact 3m more people voted tory .Corbyn with lipstick ...... a sure fire winner !!! I notice that RLB was in the press the other day proposing that undoubtably unpopular policy of building more affordable homes and council houses. Political leadership depends on judgement and reading the public mood. Keir Starmer judged the public mood and said this will be our Brexit policy and the country said...Do you have any more examples of unpopular policies she supports and the others don't?Or popular policies the others are proposing that she doesn't support?It's not a simple question of popular v unpopular , it's whether those policies have the confidence of the electorate knowing they can be paid for .There's also the question of credibility attached to those who propose social policies .RLB comes from a corner of the party who are all out of credibility if they ever had any to begin with .How many election defeats do you need to realise that fact ? .The Overton Window suggests the building of social housing paid for by people who won't live in them is non too popular with the electorate .It seems to escape the left that the truth is not enough people care about young people having decent affordable homes .I can't make society what I'd like it to be and neither can the left , they've tried long enough .Thatcher changed the UK for ever and no amount of left wing social consciousness will change that , it's an uncomfortable fact but it is a fact .The rise of foodbanks , NHS underfunded , Universal Credit , Police cuts , Social care haven't changed a thing that gives the left to the keys to number 10 .Do I like what the country's become ?Of course not , are many of Labour's proposals policies they should stand behind ? Of course they are but the problem is that is still not and unlikely to be a route in to power .What is harmful is that the policies the left propose are largely ignored by a huge amount of the electorate who are disconnected from politics and for whom many of their policies are actually aimed at .Your knocking on the door but nobody's home and those who do open the door have turned to the far right .I want rid of the tories and I want rid of them for decades if I could influence that .Cut the social pity and start giving people some confidence and aspiration and not charity as it comes across no matter how great the social conscience .It might be a good idea that they actually start to get people to believe they are on their side and not the migrants . Now that might not be a particularly great thing to say but we are where we are and we are in the business of winning elections are we not ? Sat in opposition you can't change a thing .
Quote from: tyke1962 on February 22, 2020, 01:29:06 pmQuote from: wilts rover on February 22, 2020, 09:32:16 amQuote from: tyke1962 on February 21, 2020, 11:41:49 pmAye go on and elect her for the Labour leadership ..... why not ?The Labour Party just loves sitting in opposition as a protest party .Meanwhile the rest of us have to endure 10 years of austerity driven tory governments and a whopping further endorsement of 5 more years led by a f**kin clown and his henchmen / women .Mind you the policies were popular with the electorate apparently , apart from the fact 3m more people voted tory .Corbyn with lipstick ...... a sure fire winner !!! I notice that RLB was in the press the other day proposing that undoubtably unpopular policy of building more affordable homes and council houses. Political leadership depends on judgement and reading the public mood. Keir Starmer judged the public mood and said this will be our Brexit policy and the country said...Do you have any more examples of unpopular policies she supports and the others don't?Or popular policies the others are proposing that she doesn't support?It's not a simple question of popular v unpopular , it's whether those policies have the confidence of the electorate knowing they can be paid for .There's also the question of credibility attached to those who propose social policies .RLB comes from a corner of the party who are all out of credibility if they ever had any to begin with .How many election defeats do you need to realise that fact ? .The Overton Window suggests the building of social housing paid for by people who won't live in them is non too popular with the electorate .It seems to escape the left that the truth is not enough people care about young people having decent affordable homes .I can't make society what I'd like it to be and neither can the left , they've tried long enough .Thatcher changed the UK for ever and no amount of left wing social consciousness will change that , it's an uncomfortable fact but it is a fact .The rise of foodbanks , NHS underfunded , Universal Credit , Police cuts , Social care haven't changed a thing that gives the left to the keys to number 10 .Do I like what the country's become ?Of course not , are many of Labour's proposals policies they should stand behind ? Of course they are but the problem is that is still not and unlikely to be a route in to power .What is harmful is that the policies the left propose are largely ignored by a huge amount of the electorate who are disconnected from politics and for whom many of their policies are actually aimed at .Your knocking on the door but nobody's home and those who do open the door have turned to the far right .I want rid of the tories and I want rid of them for decades if I could influence that .Cut the social pity and start giving people some confidence and aspiration and not charity as it comes across no matter how great the social conscience .It might be a good idea that they actually start to get people to believe they are on their side and not the migrants . Now that might not be a particularly great thing to say but we are where we are and we are in the business of winning elections are we not ? Sat in opposition you can't change a thing . All of that may be true. However, sat in the opposition isn't going to get you blamed for all the hardships and problems Brexit is going to create for people in the UK. The Tories caused this, they now have to manage it and take responsibility for the shit storm that will come out of it.
Quote from: wilts rover on February 22, 2020, 09:32:16 amQuote from: tyke1962 on February 21, 2020, 11:41:49 pmAye go on and elect her for the Labour leadership ..... why not ?The Labour Party just loves sitting in opposition as a protest party .Meanwhile the rest of us have to endure 10 years of austerity driven tory governments and a whopping further endorsement of 5 more years led by a f**kin clown and his henchmen / women .Mind you the policies were popular with the electorate apparently , apart from the fact 3m more people voted tory .Corbyn with lipstick ...... a sure fire winner !!! I notice that RLB was in the press the other day proposing that undoubtably unpopular policy of building more affordable homes and council houses. Political leadership depends on judgement and reading the public mood. Keir Starmer judged the public mood and said this will be our Brexit policy and the country said...Do you have any more examples of unpopular policies she supports and the others don't?Or popular policies the others are proposing that she doesn't support?Wilts, the problem - and it's a huge problem for her - is that RLB just isn't leadership material.In this age of political magical thinking you can be for as many policies as you like, and they're all great. I get it.But if you're tainted by association with one of the most damaging political factions of our era - and, worse, you are openly advocating being the continuity candidate for that failed faction - then you're damaged goods.