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this has to be a positive, it will sure help with the government's effort to clean up the mess''Deeside: New toilet paper factory could create 460 jobs''''A new factory making toilet paper, tissues and kitchen roll could create up to 460 new jobs.Italian-based manufacturer ICT is planning to build a new paper mill on the Deeside Industrial estate, in Flintshire.The company has asked for the public's views on the move ahead of submitting a planning application''https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58923540
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 15, 2021, 10:44:44 pmthis has to be a positive, it will sure help with the government's effort to clean up the mess''Deeside: New toilet paper factory could create 460 jobs''''A new factory making toilet paper, tissues and kitchen roll could create up to 460 new jobs.Italian-based manufacturer ICT is planning to build a new paper mill on the Deeside Industrial estate, in Flintshire.The company has asked for the public's views on the move ahead of submitting a planning application''https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58923540In the current climate, it’s not to be sneezed at.
Cost of brexit, when miners attained a better wage the answer was to import cheaper coal as locally mined coal was presumably a luxury.To achieve the promised nirvana this government's intention is to sign more trade deals, import more and more cheaper goods along with the reasonably new idea of high tech, high wage thingy.What will the UK be able to trade as a balance in these negotiations with those countries that make these cheaper goods and how long will this 'transition' take, how long will it take to change the whole (yes whole, think of levelling up) of Britain to 'retool' into a high tech economy?AddedAnd who will do the 'shit jobs' will this spawn more of an underclass of low wage on-call army.The government has so far rejected the idea of a living wage as it cancels the £20 quid that those on the bottom rungs have been making merry with, trying to force them into the available jobs that no one really wants to do. Is the blue print what we see now being rolled out?High tech high wages for a lower upper class with those that can't quite make it scrambling for crumbs as cheap imports trash their jobs. Going back to live-in housekeepers and cooks.
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 18, 2021, 10:46:17 pmCost of brexit, when miners attained a better wage the answer was to import cheaper coal as locally mined coal was presumably a luxury.To achieve the promised nirvana this government's intention is to sign more trade deals, import more and more cheaper goods along with the reasonably new idea of high tech, high wage thingy.What will the UK be able to trade as a balance in these negotiations with those countries that make these cheaper goods and how long will this 'transition' take, how long will it take to change the whole (yes whole, think of levelling up) of Britain to 'retool' into a high tech economy?AddedAnd who will do the 'shit jobs' will this spawn more of an underclass of low wage on-call army.The government has so far rejected the idea of a living wage as it cancels the £20 quid that those on the bottom rungs have been making merry with, trying to force them into the available jobs that no one really wants to do. Is the blue print what we see now being rolled out?High tech high wages for a lower upper class with those that can't quite make it scrambling for crumbs as cheap imports trash their jobs. Going back to live-in housekeepers and cooks.It’s worth remembering too that in the early 90’s when the Government were closing mines en masse, the EEC and then the EU were fully supportive (and probably actively encouraged) of this policy. They saw the purchase and importing of coal from Eastern Europe as a ‘shoe in’ to help the economies of these countries strengthen to the point where EU membership would become a viable option to them.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on October 19, 2021, 11:00:37 amQuote from: SydneyRover on October 18, 2021, 10:46:17 pmCost of brexit, when miners attained a better wage the answer was to import cheaper coal as locally mined coal was presumably a luxury.To achieve the promised nirvana this government's intention is to sign more trade deals, import more and more cheaper goods along with the reasonably new idea of high tech, high wage thingy.What will the UK be able to trade as a balance in these negotiations with those countries that make these cheaper goods and how long will this 'transition' take, how long will it take to change the whole (yes whole, think of levelling up) of Britain to 'retool' into a high tech economy?AddedAnd who will do the 'shit jobs' will this spawn more of an underclass of low wage on-call army.The government has so far rejected the idea of a living wage as it cancels the £20 quid that those on the bottom rungs have been making merry with, trying to force them into the available jobs that no one really wants to do. Is the blue print what we see now being rolled out?High tech high wages for a lower upper class with those that can't quite make it scrambling for crumbs as cheap imports trash their jobs. Going back to live-in housekeepers and cooks.It’s worth remembering too that in the early 90’s when the Government were closing mines en masse, the EEC and then the EU were fully supportive (and probably actively encouraged) of this policy. They saw the purchase and importing of coal from Eastern Europe as a ‘shoe in’ to help the economies of these countries strengthen to the point where EU membership would become a viable option to them. That really doesn't tally with the facts.The vast bulk of closures had already happened while Poland was still Communist. Communism didn't fall in Poland until the end of 1989. By then there were only 50,000 people employed in the UK coal industry, down from 250,000 in 1980. Blaming the demise of the UK coal industry on a nefarious imperial EU plan is way off the mark.
HAApologies if I didn't make it clear what I meant and if I read more into your post than I should have done. In my defence, you were saying the EU "probably" supported our pit closures as an aid to getting Eastern European countries ready for EU membership, so maybe you can see why I read it the way I did?In the context of this thread, my point is: Would the pit closures have gone ahead if the EC/EU hadn't existed at the time?And there is the follow-up question: Once the pit closures had occurred and UK mining areas were devastated, would a UK Govt outside the EU have invested as much money in the likes of South Yorkshire and South Wales as the EU did?