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How many neo-liberal and market-led organisations impose environmental and worker condition standards on companies? How many of them disburse billions of euros to economically disadvantaged areas?If we had stayed in the EU, South Yorkshire would have been in line for €3.3bn of money from the EU over the next 7 years. Paid for by the tax payers of Milan, Frankfurt, Stockholm and Barcelona.Unfortunately, Tyke and his mates decided that we were better off telling them to stick that, and empowering the most right wing Tory party in our lifetimes to decide how our economy should be run. Because...well Christ knows to be honest.
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on December 13, 2020, 04:34:02 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.I wonder what those people who voted to leave the EU because of 'multiculturism' think to 600000 Chinese people arriving in the UK in the next 2 years?https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2020/12/14/2003748697
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .
Tyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 13, 2020, 07:11:29 pmHow many neo-liberal and market-led organisations impose environmental and worker condition standards on companies? How many of them disburse billions of euros to economically disadvantaged areas?If we had stayed in the EU, South Yorkshire would have been in line for €3.3bn of money from the EU over the next 7 years. Paid for by the tax payers of Milan, Frankfurt, Stockholm and Barcelona.Unfortunately, Tyke and his mates decided that we were better off telling them to stick that, and empowering the most right wing Tory party in our lifetimes to decide how our economy should be run. Because...well Christ knows to be honest.Billy have you ever tried looking at life without a monetary mandate ? .You sound more like Thatcher every day .There's no such thing as society ..... right !! .
Good ol' xenophobia, we got there in the end.
Quote from: wilts rover on December 13, 2020, 05:14:29 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on December 13, 2020, 04:34:02 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.I wonder what those people who voted to leave the EU because of 'multiculturism' think to 600000 Chinese people arriving in the UK in the next 2 years?https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2020/12/14/2003748697Tell thi what Wilts .Why don't you come up one day from Wiltshire and have a walk around that big estate at Rosso and tell em how good multiculturalism is .Let me know how you go on .
Wilt's those 600000 Chinese from Hong Kong are escaping a regime that want to dictate everything about their life, subjugate them to their rules and dictate their working lives and what they are allowed to doand integrate them into China, the same with Taiwan Seventeen million voted to escape a similar regime that has developed in Brussels, and now want you to crawl over broken glass. If China were doing to Hong Kong and Taiwan what the EU are trying to do to the UK the western world's press would be all over it. The Americans and Australian navies are sailing war ships and flying aircraft every day in and over seas that China are trying to claim from other countries because of the other countries sovereignty, yet you support France's right to roll all over our rights. I suppose if Hong Kong and Taiwan had Tory leaders you wouldn't mind just giving them to China.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 13, 2020, 08:51:00 pmGood ol' xenophobia, we got there in the end.Thanks Glyn , I wouldn't have expected anything less from people such as yourself .That's all I have , you ain't worth the bother , accept at the ballot box ....... you lose .The ballot box is king pal .
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 08:49:08 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 13, 2020, 05:14:29 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on December 13, 2020, 04:34:02 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.I wonder what those people who voted to leave the EU because of 'multiculturism' think to 600000 Chinese people arriving in the UK in the next 2 years?https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2020/12/14/2003748697Tell thi what Wilts .Why don't you come up one day from Wiltshire and have a walk around that big estate at Rosso and tell em how good multiculturalism is .Let me know how you go on . Nah, the Mail and the Express can do that for them already.... I'm guessing you believe this shit too Tyke?
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 09:21:08 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 13, 2020, 08:51:00 pmGood ol' xenophobia, we got there in the end.Thanks Glyn , I wouldn't have expected anything less from people such as yourself .That's all I have , you ain't worth the bother , accept at the ballot box ....... you lose .The ballot box is king pal .Well, when every other reason is stripped away and this argument is all you're left with, what do you expect others to think of you? The fact that it wins an election doesn't change its nature.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 13, 2020, 09:56:13 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 09:21:08 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 13, 2020, 08:51:00 pmGood ol' xenophobia, we got there in the end.Thanks Glyn , I wouldn't have expected anything less from people such as yourself .That's all I have , you ain't worth the bother , accept at the ballot box ....... you lose .The ballot box is king pal .Well, when every other reason is stripped away and this argument is all you're left with, what do you expect others to think of you? The fact that it wins an election doesn't change its nature.Because you don't see my issue and the first port of call is THAT CARD .It's all you have , you don't see I have a problem with globalisation and it's effects on areas like I live in .So out it comes , the card to end the debate .It's actually you who are out of touch and stupid if the truth be told .
So when the Chinese give protesters a good hiding it is different to the Spanish Police in Barcelona is it? When the British try to expel illegal migrants without threat to their lives, it is worse than the Greeks towing and turning back migrant inflatable boats in Dangerous seas Is it? Close your eyes and bury your heads in the sand, everything is bright and shiny, or is it just forgettable in la la land.
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 08:30:30 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 13, 2020, 07:11:29 pmHow many neo-liberal and market-led organisations impose environmental and worker condition standards on companies? How many of them disburse billions of euros to economically disadvantaged areas?If we had stayed in the EU, South Yorkshire would have been in line for €3.3bn of money from the EU over the next 7 years. Paid for by the tax payers of Milan, Frankfurt, Stockholm and Barcelona.Unfortunately, Tyke and his mates decided that we were better off telling them to stick that, and empowering the most right wing Tory party in our lifetimes to decide how our economy should be run. Because...well Christ knows to be honest.Billy have you ever tried looking at life without a monetary mandate ? .You sound more like Thatcher every day .There's no such thing as society ..... right !! .You're not wrong at all Tyke, there is society but when you separate it from access to money then society breaks down, not money per se but the ability to feed, clothe and have a roof.Look at the famine in Ireland where aound a million died and 2 million left. After ww2 a couple of million left Britain. People, not all of course but leave for more prosperous areas within and without the country to form and join new societies.I'm not saying society will break down to that extent but over time people, younger people just get up and go.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 13, 2020, 07:11:29 pmHow many neo-liberal and market-led organisations impose environmental and worker condition standards on companies? How many of them disburse billions of euros to economically disadvantaged areas?If we had stayed in the EU, South Yorkshire would have been in line for €3.3bn of money from the EU over the next 7 years. Paid for by the tax payers of Milan, Frankfurt, Stockholm and Barcelona.Unfortunately, Tyke and his mates decided that we were better off telling them to stick that, and empowering the most right wing Tory party in our lifetimes to decide how our economy should be run. Because...well Christ knows to be honest. Explain to me how this works pls BST. As a nation we were a net contributor to the EU. Why would money spent here be then from another country rather than simply our contribution back
Quote from: Not Now Kato on December 13, 2020, 09:32:08 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 08:49:08 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 13, 2020, 05:14:29 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on December 13, 2020, 04:34:02 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.I wonder what those people who voted to leave the EU because of 'multiculturism' think to 600000 Chinese people arriving in the UK in the next 2 years?https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2020/12/14/2003748697Tell thi what Wilts .Why don't you come up one day from Wiltshire and have a walk around that big estate at Rosso and tell em how good multiculturalism is .Let me know how you go on . Nah, the Mail and the Express can do that for them already.... I'm guessing you believe this shit too Tyke?You guess ? Of course you do .Come to my doorstep with a red rosette on wanting my vote and throw this my way and I'll tell you this .I'm more concerned about ZHC 's , the lack of affordable housing , in work poverty , foodbanks , the grug dealers across the road etc etc and I'll say said person with red rosette on will look at their feet .Do I care about migrants crossing the channel yes I do but in some kind of order I have to say .Until some of your tribe except that localised issues are more important than solving the world's problems you are electorally irrelevant .That's a solid fact by the way .
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 10:13:53 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 13, 2020, 09:56:13 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 09:21:08 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 13, 2020, 08:51:00 pmGood ol' xenophobia, we got there in the end.Thanks Glyn , I wouldn't have expected anything less from people such as yourself .That's all I have , you ain't worth the bother , accept at the ballot box ....... you lose .The ballot box is king pal .Well, when every other reason is stripped away and this argument is all you're left with, what do you expect others to think of you? The fact that it wins an election doesn't change its nature.Because you don't see my issue and the first port of call is THAT CARD .It's all you have , you don't see I have a problem with globalisation and it's effects on areas like I live in .So out it comes , the card to end the debate .It's actually you who are out of touch and stupid if the truth be told .I'm not ending any debate, feel free to tell us which particular migrants you have a problem with and how Brexit will solve it for you.
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 10:08:59 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on December 13, 2020, 09:32:08 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 08:49:08 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 13, 2020, 05:14:29 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on December 13, 2020, 04:34:02 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.I wonder what those people who voted to leave the EU because of 'multiculturism' think to 600000 Chinese people arriving in the UK in the next 2 years?https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2020/12/14/2003748697Tell thi what Wilts .Why don't you come up one day from Wiltshire and have a walk around that big estate at Rosso and tell em how good multiculturalism is .Let me know how you go on . Nah, the Mail and the Express can do that for them already.... I'm guessing you believe this shit too Tyke?You guess ? Of course you do .Come to my doorstep with a red rosette on wanting my vote and throw this my way and I'll tell you this .I'm more concerned about ZHC 's , the lack of affordable housing , in work poverty , foodbanks , the grug dealers across the road etc etc and I'll say said person with red rosette on will look at their feet .Do I care about migrants crossing the channel yes I do but in some kind of order I have to say .Until some of your tribe except that localised issues are more important than solving the world's problems you are electorally irrelevant .That's a solid fact by the way . Tyke, I'm truly glad you care about zero hour contracts, lack of affordable housing, in work poverty, the need for food banks and the menace of drug dealers; but none of those things are the result of globalisation and/or immigration. The fault of all of those issues lies at the door of the right wing of this country, the Tory Party and the right wing media such as I have posted above, who's sole aim is to drag people by the nose into believing it's everyone else's, (and particularly foreigners), fault. A tactic that was used in Germany with some, regrettable, success in the 1930's. It's a tragedy that people in this country haven't learned from that exercise; and a travesty that the right wing media are allowed to get away with such blatant and ill informed propaganda. Thank God the rest of Europe have. Whatever happened to education in this country?
Quote from: SydneyRover on December 13, 2020, 09:02:45 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 08:30:30 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 13, 2020, 07:11:29 pmHow many neo-liberal and market-led organisations impose environmental and worker condition standards on companies? How many of them disburse billions of euros to economically disadvantaged areas?If we had stayed in the EU, South Yorkshire would have been in line for €3.3bn of money from the EU over the next 7 years. Paid for by the tax payers of Milan, Frankfurt, Stockholm and Barcelona.Unfortunately, Tyke and his mates decided that we were better off telling them to stick that, and empowering the most right wing Tory party in our lifetimes to decide how our economy should be run. Because...well Christ knows to be honest.Billy have you ever tried looking at life without a monetary mandate ? .You sound more like Thatcher every day .There's no such thing as society ..... right !! .You're not wrong at all Tyke, there is society but when you separate it from access to money then society breaks down, not money per se but the ability to feed, clothe and have a roof.Look at the famine in Ireland where aound a million died and 2 million left. After ww2 a couple of million left Britain. People, not all of course but leave for more prosperous areas within and without the country to form and join new societies.I'm not saying society will break down to that extent but over time people, younger people just get up and go.Ok Sydney I'll take this on .Your going back in time to when the world was a different place .So I'll ask you this question .A 21 year old lad who is unskilled and wants to better him self away from the UK economically where does he go ?If this thing is all things to all people meaning globalisation then it should be a very simple question to answer .
Quote from: Not Now Kato on December 13, 2020, 11:07:56 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 10:08:59 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on December 13, 2020, 09:32:08 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 08:49:08 pmQuote from: wilts rover on December 13, 2020, 05:14:29 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on December 13, 2020, 04:34:02 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.I wonder what those people who voted to leave the EU because of 'multiculturism' think to 600000 Chinese people arriving in the UK in the next 2 years?https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2020/12/14/2003748697Tell thi what Wilts .Why don't you come up one day from Wiltshire and have a walk around that big estate at Rosso and tell em how good multiculturalism is .Let me know how you go on . Nah, the Mail and the Express can do that for them already.... I'm guessing you believe this shit too Tyke?You guess ? Of course you do .Come to my doorstep with a red rosette on wanting my vote and throw this my way and I'll tell you this .I'm more concerned about ZHC 's , the lack of affordable housing , in work poverty , foodbanks , the grug dealers across the road etc etc and I'll say said person with red rosette on will look at their feet .Do I care about migrants crossing the channel yes I do but in some kind of order I have to say .Until some of your tribe except that localised issues are more important than solving the world's problems you are electorally irrelevant .That's a solid fact by the way . Tyke, I'm truly glad you care about zero hour contracts, lack of affordable housing, in work poverty, the need for food banks and the menace of drug dealers; but none of those things are the result of globalisation and/or immigration. The fault of all of those issues lies at the door of the right wing of this country, the Tory Party and the right wing media such as I have posted above, who's sole aim is to drag people by the nose into believing it's everyone else's, (and particularly foreigners), fault. A tactic that was used in Germany with some, regrettable, success in the 1930's. It's a tragedy that people in this country haven't learned from that exercise; and a travesty that the right wing media are allowed to get away with such blatant and ill informed propaganda. Thank God the rest of Europe have. Whatever happened to education in this country?Why on earth are you choosing to die on a hill of right wing media and the tory party .If you had a solid argument it would cut through right .The same as it did in 1945 .
I'm not anti immigration , I'm anti mass immigration , there's a huge difference and leaving the EU gives the UK that control .
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 10:52:16 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 13, 2020, 09:02:45 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 08:30:30 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 13, 2020, 07:11:29 pmHow many neo-liberal and market-led organisations impose environmental and worker condition standards on companies? How many of them disburse billions of euros to economically disadvantaged areas?If we had stayed in the EU, South Yorkshire would have been in line for €3.3bn of money from the EU over the next 7 years. Paid for by the tax payers of Milan, Frankfurt, Stockholm and Barcelona.Unfortunately, Tyke and his mates decided that we were better off telling them to stick that, and empowering the most right wing Tory party in our lifetimes to decide how our economy should be run. Because...well Christ knows to be honest.Billy have you ever tried looking at life without a monetary mandate ? .You sound more like Thatcher every day .There's no such thing as society ..... right !! .You're not wrong at all Tyke, there is society but when you separate it from access to money then society breaks down, not money per se but the ability to feed, clothe and have a roof.Look at the famine in Ireland where aound a million died and 2 million left. After ww2 a couple of million left Britain. People, not all of course but leave for more prosperous areas within and without the country to form and join new societies.I'm not saying society will break down to that extent but over time people, younger people just get up and go.Ok Sydney I'll take this on .Your going back in time to when the world was a different place .So I'll ask you this question .A 21 year old lad who is unskilled and wants to better him self away from the UK economically where does he go ?If this thing is all things to all people meaning globalisation then it should be a very simple question to answer .For a start if money had been spent across the UK in a fair manner there would be more opportunities in Sth Yks, but that doesn't stop young people from wanting to explore the world, many, as soon as they have their qualifications are off to find somewhere to use them. The EU as others say have ploughed money into the area, ask yourself why it was necessary. Look at Italy the villages in the hills are dying as the young move away it happens in Oz too not many really want to live the 'outback' life at all and until covid these places were dying too for the same reasons. In fact people that move to these areas to 'escape to the country' find it pretty hard going with the long term residents not wanting these 'new fangled friends'Where does that 21 year old person go in the UK Tyke, into a zero hours contract? a better question would be why wasn't that 21 year old given every opportunity to skill up, johnson would be the person to answer that one.
Probably the Farage one was taken at a Test Match given the circular nature of the grass to the left anywayDespicableme (him that is)