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I do believe that Farage & the leave campaigns got the idea from something the National Socialist party in Germany used just before WW2.
Quote from: wilts rover on December 13, 2020, 05:14:29 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on December 13, 2020, 04:34:02 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.I wonder what those people who voted to leave the EU because of 'multiculturism' think to 600000 Chinese people arriving in the UK in the next 2 years?https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2020/12/14/2003748697Tell thi what Wilts .Why don't you come up one day from Wiltshire and have a walk around that big estate at Rosso and tell em how good multiculturalism is .Let me know how you go on .
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on December 13, 2020, 04:34:02 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.I wonder what those people who voted to leave the EU because of 'multiculturism' think to 600000 Chinese people arriving in the UK in the next 2 years?https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2020/12/14/2003748697
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 13, 2020, 11:39:57 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .Colours well and truly nailed there, Tyke. What bizarre logic you have.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 12, 2020, 01:30:23 pmTyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.Billy There is no economic benefit of membership of the EU for many of leave voters because it's a neoliberal and market led organisation .Thatcher destroyed areas around here and Blair didn't do enough to improve things .So they hang their hat on culture and their communities .Multiculturalism is embraced by the graduate and big city metropolitan voter , they move around more , their jobs take them abroad etc ..... I get it .However millions don't , they have low paid jobs and stay in the communities they were born in and make the best of that .They don't want to see their communities change or their values challenged ...... mars and venus mate .I firmly believe many are prepared to take the economic hit in return to live in communities they desire .They have nowt anyway other than their family , community and their cultural values .
Tyke.I recognise them 100%. I just disagree that taking a wrecking ball to the issue will help overall.At base, if people are getting on economically, no-one really gives a shit about immigration. That is demonstrated throughout history. Anti-immigrant stances become prominent when people are struggling economically.So to address an immigration issue by choosing to make ourselves markedly less wealthy for a generation, while in practice doing nothing to limit immigration is not a recipe for dealing with this issue. It is likely to make the resentment and anger far, far worse when people realise that they aren't getting the brighter future they were promised.
Wilt's those 600000 Chinese from Hong Kong are escaping a regime that want to dictate everything about their life, subjugate them to their rules and dictate their working lives and what they are allowed to doand integrate them into China, the same with Taiwan Seventeen million voted to escape a similar regime that has developed in Brussels, and now want you to crawl over broken glass. If China were doing to Hong Kong and Taiwan what the EU are trying to do to the UK the western world's press would be all over it. The Americans and Australian navies are sailing war ships and flying aircraft every day in and over seas that China are trying to claim from other countries because of the other countries sovereignty, yet you support France's right to roll all over our rights. I suppose if Hong Kong and Taiwan had Tory leaders you wouldn't mind just giving them to China.
Glyn, you missed the first two words hard faced pillock, that's the reason the last four years it has been easy to make money on the markets and why I can buy and sell people like you who think they are smart. Keep working hard at it Glyn and you will be too busy to make a lot of money.
Glynn, tariffs are levied by the country receiving the goods and paid by the exporter
Tweet from Nicholas WattBig buzz in the last hour among Tory MPs that the UK is heading towards a Brexit deal with the EU. Eurosceptics being reassured they will be happy.
Anyone know what this is and who agrees with it:Reduce ImmigrationReject the Common MarketMake Britain Great AgainScrap Overseas AidRebuild our Armed Forcesof course you knew all the time - its the manefesto of the National FrontWhat's wrong with any of that? https://twitter.com/scotwilliams/status/986182667673751552
Quote from: wilts rover on December 14, 2020, 06:53:21 pmAnyone know what this is and who agrees with it:Reduce ImmigrationReject the Common MarketMake Britain Great AgainScrap Overseas AidRebuild our Armed Forcesof course you knew all the time - its the manefesto of the National FrontWhat's wrong with any of that? https://twitter.com/scotwilliams/status/986182667673751552
Well. We took back control.https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1339851685666144258
We're all doomed. It's going to be a right laugh in the homes of you Covid lockdown remainers this year. We'll be fine, keep smiling.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 18, 2020, 11:16:58 amWe're all doomed. It's going to be a right laugh in the homes of you Covid lockdown remainers this year. We'll be fine, keep smiling.But most importantly of all, keep booing. It's a right laugh.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 18, 2020, 02:14:35 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 18, 2020, 11:16:58 amWe're all doomed. It's going to be a right laugh in the homes of you Covid lockdown remainers this year. We'll be fine, keep smiling.But most importantly of all, keep booing. It's a right laugh. BLMBoo Like Millwall.